Let freedom ring.

Good bless America

https://www.reuters.com/legal/...or-error-2025-04-10/

Administration uphold order to return migrant wrongfully detained and removed.

I'll take your word for it.

The link wants me to subscribe and/or remove ad block.

I hoped SCOTUS would decide this way. But I can't predict them anymore.

Doesn’t matter. DOJ will just ignore the ruling and Trumpiteers will applaude their action….

“The United States Government has no legal authority to snatch a person who is lawfully present in the United States off the street and remove him from the country without due process,” the appeals panel wrote. “The Government’s contention otherwise, and its argument that the federal courts are powerless to intervene, are unconscionable.”

That language is from the upheld 4th Circuit Ct. App.

What Trump is, is not conservation. It is equally unconscionable and intellectually dishonest for self-proclaimed conservatives to willing permit and advocate for a Chief Magistrate to weld such power. Such power, so welded is tyranny.

Also please note that this is the conservative-majority Supreme Court that Trump has expressed confidence in.

Back to the top.

trump and his DOJ are ignoring the order so far. Something I suspect we are going to see more and more of....

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
trump and his DOJ are ignoring the order so far. Something I suspect we are going to see more and more of....

We've seen this movie before. "How many divisions does the pope have?"

The Courts have control of the Federal Marshals. Aldo, Congress needs to impeach when orders are not honored after S. Ct., rulings.

I repeat. Trump doesn’t give a shit about court orders and his minions don’t either. Orange jesus has spoken and that’s the end of that…….

I sort of hope that the Administration defies the order. It would do two things. One, it would thoroughly piss off the Supreme Court that may be facing some other Administration reaches/challenges before long. Two, there are still some in the GOP that actually believe in the rule of law and it might serve to antagonize them as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...1f91aae2300288&ei=43

The Supreme Court just set up a potentially huge clash with Trump
Story by Aaron Blake • 9h • 4 min read

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Does anyone think Trump and/or Stephen Wormtongue Miller will act in good faith?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Let freedom ring.

Good bless America

https://www.reuters.com/legal/...or-error-2025-04-10/

Administration uphold order to return migrant wrongfully detained and removed.

Wrongfully detained? Is that a lie my Lord?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Let freedom ring.

Good bless America

https://www.reuters.com/legal/...or-error-2025-04-10/

Administration uphold order to return migrant wrongfully detained and removed.

Wrongfully detained? Is that a lie my Lord?

Not sure Trump posts here Lane.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Let freedom ring.

Good bless America

https://www.reuters.com/legal/...or-error-2025-04-10/

Administration uphold order to return migrant wrongfully detained and removed.

Wrongfully detained? Is that a lie my Lord?

Not sure Trump posts here Lane.

I LOVE it!

Have I got the wrong guy? Wasn’t this fellow subject to a valid deportation order to any country OTHER THAN EL SALVADOR. He claimed he would be in danger from a rival El Salvadoran gang if he went home. The error alleged is not that he was subject to a judicially ordered deportation, but that El Salvador was tabu unless the gov’t showed his gang membership was no longer an extant deadly risk. A wee bit of irony there. I’m a member of a bad-ass gang but a rival gang with whom were fighting a turf war was wants me dead so I can’t go back… but I deserve the protection of the U.S from the chaos I created in my home country.

So, what happens, now. They bring him back and deport him to Antarctic or San Francisco.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Let freedom ring.

Good bless America

https://www.reuters.com/legal/...or-error-2025-04-10/

Administration uphold order to return migrant wrongfully detained and removed.

Wrongfully detained? Is that a lie my Lord?

Not sure Trump posts here Lane.

. Very good

No, read the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court he was wrongfully detained and deported.

The power some would give a president is frightening. It is almost like they expect that president to be so for life.

Dr. Easter, spreading far tight lies again.

I never claimed to be a lord. I did claim to know the law and read it. Unlike you, the world’s greatest equine surgeon.

Again, only decorum prevents from for telling you the truth about you.

The man was wrongfully detained, wrongfully deported, and wrongfully held in a South American prisons. The man has rights under our constitutional system that were violated in nearly the worst way imaginable,

The Right through a rouge and illegal administration and President did that.

The AG suspended the lawyer who told the Court the truth. Who followed her rules of Professional Responsibility that are required to maintain her license.

The Administration argued they should be allowed to illegally deport people so any oversight from the Courts.


All the above is true. You know it is true. You lie about it to deceive people and concentrate unconstitutional power in a president. That is why you are a lier and a dangerous one. That is why you are not worth a hair off the head of the people you attack here as abominations.

You are nothing but a political hack and a dangerous one.

It is unacceptable. The President, AG, the Director of ICE must be impeached and removed.

He was wrongfully detained and wrongfully deported. Period. Only OJ sycophants state otherwise. The courts certainly do NOT.

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He was wrongfully detained and wrongfully deported.

The worst offense by the Trump administration was deporting the man in violation of a court order.

The judge should follow the trail of "admministrative error" up the command chain and jail and fine whoever is responsible.

It is clear the Trump Administration is going refuse to comply arguing they have no power over El Salvador to return him.

Hence, they will pretend to “facilitate.”

“He is detained pursuant to the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us...cia-wrongly-deported

There is increasing to believe a word El Salvador not the Trump Administration says about this wrongfully detained, deported, and imprisoned man.

The only criminals are in suites. Their conspirators wear XXXL shirts in Texas.


There is not a word of truth in Dr. Easte’s post. He knows it.

This is the truth:

No, read the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court he was wrongfully detained and deported.

The power some would give a president is frightening. It is almost like they expect that president to be so for life.

Dr. Easter, spreading far tight lies again.

I never claimed to be a lord. I did claim to know the law and read it. Unlike you, the world’s greatest equine surgeon.

Again, only decorum prevents from for telling you the truth about you.

The man was wrongfully detained, wrongfully deported, and wrongfully held in a South American prisons. The man has rights under our constitutional system that were violated in nearly the worst way imaginable,

The Right through a rouge and illegal administration and President did that.

The AG suspended the lawyer who told the Court the truth. Who followed her rules of Professional Responsibility that are required to maintain her license.

The Administration argued they should be allowed to illegally deport people so any oversight from the Courts.


Maybe, one day a Democrat President will put Dr. Easter on a list, grab him, send him to a Saudi Arabian prison without due process, a basic hearing, legal representation, a free and open press to observe. That President’s AG will suspended the lawyer who tells the truth about Dr. Easter’s situation. When the Court’s order that President to bring Dr. Easter home, that President will conspire with the Saudis to prevent having to comply. After all, the U.S. has no sovereignty over Saudi Arabia.

All this time a Dem Congress watched this and laughs because they got rid of an “other.”

That is the fact pattern we find ourselves in with Kilmar Abrego García. He had fights. He had a court order his rights be respected. This lawless, tyrannical regime decided they did not have to follow the law.


No Democrat Administration that Dr. Easter calls evil and the enemy of the people has ever engaged in this manner.

No Democrat President has ever voided a constitutional right by an Executive Order.

This President and this Regime is lawless. Congress needs to impeach and remove the whole lot of them. The Fed Courts need to start ordering contempt hearings and jailing all those who make decisions not to comply with their orders through the US Marshals.

It’s okay. Dr. Easter has many great friends in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia can make him say the sanctioned prayers to the sanction view of God. Saudi Arabia knows how to treat women, gays, non-believers, people who speak out against the regime, and poor people. Dr. Easter will fit right in. They need good horse doctors over there.

LHeym, was he illegally detained?

Yes he was illegally deported and denied his due process rights. That I got from the SCOTUS finding.

But I didn't see SCOTUS claim his arrest was illegal, or did I miss something?

As to wrongfully held in a South American prison, isn't that a question of law in the appropriate country? No complaint of the conclusion that he was illegally removed from the custody of the US.

Yes, its a nit, but from what you have said in the past, its a significant point.

Yes, the DOJ should do everything they can to get him back to stand before the court.

BTW, I do think extraordinary rendition of terror suspects occurred under Obama as well... they may never have made it here, but I think that program was still in place under him.

Doc, I think you are nitting and trying to make false equivalence, again.

Forget the look over there thing.

Also, "detained" (arrest) legally is part of due process. It's called probable cause. A tattoo isn't probable cause for example.

And you know darn well the Trump admin could fetch him if they really wanted to. Remember the Art of the Deal?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No, read the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court he was wrongfully detained and deported.

The power some would give a president is frightening. It is almost like they expect that president to be so for life.

Dr. Easter, spreading far tight lies again.

I never claimed to be a lord. I did claim to know the law and read it. Unlike you, the world’s greatest equine surgeon.

Again, only decorum prevents from for telling you the truth about you.

Please feel free to let fly.

The man was wrongfully detained, wrongfully deported, and wrongfully held in a South American prisons. The man has rights under our constitutional system that were violated in nearly the worst way imaginable,

The Right through a rouge and illegal administration and President did that.

The AG suspended the lawyer who told the Court the truth. Who followed her rules of Professional Responsibility that are required to maintain her license.

The Administration argued they should be allowed to illegally deport people so any oversight from the Courts.


All the above is true. You know it is true. You lie about it to deceive people and concentrate unconstitutional power in a president. That is why you are a lier and a dangerous one. That is why you are not worth a hair off the head of the people you attack here as abominations.

You are nothing but a political hack and a dangerous one.

It is unacceptable. The President, AG, the Director of ICE must be impeached and removed.

I have been keeping abreast. I don’t believe that he was wrongfully detained. The courts had a problem with the lack of due process in this instance due to TPS issued for him in 2019…which in itself needs to be be investigated. When/if he is brought back…it is not my understanding that the courts will release him.

I shall not.

A) We are not face to face.

B) This is an open forum. Others will read this and my diction is not sufficient to describe you that would prevent language use that may not be what others want third parties to read.


You are a lier, a hypocrite, and a base person.

The Little Lord of Louisville

Trump’s DOJ violated the rule of law. Period.

Not quite.

Yes, the extradition without due process is a violation of the rule of law. Trump's DOJ violated the system.

But LHeym the prosecutor stated that he was illegally arrested (detained), which from my reading is not something the SCOTUS stated... but I am not a lawyer and don't read briefs very well. We have attorneys to do that where I work. His statement seemed an overstatement of what the SCOTUS ruled. Functionally it makes no difference, he is supposed to be presented to the US court regardless of his status, but still...

He also claimed that "No Democratic President has ever voided a constitutional right by an executive order." Obama (and Bush, and Trump) all did do extraordinary rendition of terror suspects. Same/same, just less likely to be something SCOTUS will rule on because it doesn't happen in the US. Kind of like how much authority Trump has on this guy at this point.

I agree it doesn't give cover for 47's doing it in this manner.

Getting the guy back from El Salvador does depend on how El Salvador wants to proceed... and how much Trump wants to push the issue. The ball at this point is fully in El Salvador's courts.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Doc, I think you are nitting and trying to make false equivalence, again.

Forget the look over there thing.

Also, "detained" (arrest) legally is part of due process. It's called probable cause. A tattoo isn't probable cause for example.

And you know darn well the Trump admin could fetch him if they really wanted to. Remember the Art of the Deal?

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The ball at this point is fully in El Salvador's courts.

I don't believe that.

There are reasons I don't believe it, but #1 reason is Stephen Wormtongue Miller says so.

He's a vile liar.

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But LHeym the prosecutor stated that he was illegally arrested (detained), which from my reading is not something the SCOTUS stated...

Exactly right. He was not wrongfully detained.

He was wrongly detained. He was not a gang member and has legal status, a right to be here.

He is wrongly detained.

That is why due process has to be given and followed.

No, you can’t just grab people off the street abs ship them off. That is an illegal detention.

Was he here legally or illegally?
Simple question
Then legal with green card doing crime, out
Illegal , out
Nothing else to debate

Was he unlawfully arrested (detained)? The SCOTUS did not express that.

No he was not lawfully detained.

He was detained under the color of law.

That is not the same.

Read the Circuit Court of Appeals.

His original detention was improper. He was not who the Administration said he was.

That is why these due process rights Trump Administration is violating is more than dangerous.

I thought the accuracy of the charge was a decision for trial/ hearing, not a conclusion? Isn’t the appellate panel review essentially saying that because he was shipped out we don’t know the facts? That he MAY be someone who was here rightfully?

I agree that this is why Trump’s folks should be in hot water.

I do think gang tattoos should be admissible- they are essentially a public utterance by the person who put them on. One of a number of things that are evidence. It’s not admission of guilt quite, but it is evidence. That’s for a court/judge to say. I don’t know that this guy has gang tattoos, but heard that is “why” he was considered a gang member.

I don’t know that he is rightfully here is a foregone conclusion… but our system requires it be challenged in court, not some DOJ functionary shipping him off.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No he was not lawfully detained.

He was detained under the color of law.

That is not the same.

Read the Circuit Court of Appeals.

His original detention was improper. He was not who the Administration said he was.

That is why these due process rights Trump Administration is violating is more than dangerous.

Now, El Salvador is going to refuse his return. I wonder if that is a decision of El Salvador’s own design.

I’m sure El Salvador believes will garner kindness from the Regime.

If this can happen to this man, we are all in danger.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I thought the accuracy of the charge was a decision for trial/ hearing, not a conclusion? Isn’t the appellate panel review essentially saying that because he was shipped out we don’t know the facts? That he MAY be someone who was here rightfully?

I agree that this is why Trump’s folks should be in hot water.

I do think gang tattoos should be admissible- they are essentially a public utterance by the person who put them on. One of a number of things that are evidence. It’s not admission of guilt quite, but it is evidence. That’s for a court/judge to say. I don’t know that this guy has gang tattoos, but heard that is “why” he was considered a gang member.

I don’t know that he is rightfully here is a foregone conclusion… but our system requires it be challenged in court, not some DOJ functionary shipping him off.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No he was not lawfully detained.

He was detained under the color of law.

That is not the same.

Read the Circuit Court of Appeals.

His original detention was improper. He was not who the Administration said he was.

That is why these due process rights Trump Administration is violating is more than dangerous.

When, you are detained under the color of jaw and deboned due process that detention is illegal.

"How can I return him to the United States? I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it. The question is preposterous," Bukele said. "I don't have the power to return him to the United States. We're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country."

https://www.usatoday.com/story...-prison/83079141007/


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My south Texas ranch was a wasteland of human trash and excrement this time last year. It was unsafe to have my wife and son on at night. Now it is vacant desolate area again where seeing a rattlesnake is more likely than a human form.

Thank you President Trump for sending a loud and clear message!