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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Charlie Kirk:
Sonny Hostin was forced to issue a “legal note” on The View that Matt Gaetz was found to have done nothing wrong after a three year DOJ investigation.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/st...035242755223577?s=46



Ken Paxton for US AG.

Federal prosecutors don't ever determine that anyone under investigation has done "nothing wrong", only whether they have adequate credible evidence to convict.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Gaetz withdraws... thank goodness

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Venmo payments of thousands of dollars support accusations of sex parties concerning Gaetz.

Good riddance.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Just food for thought. I don't think Trump is smart enough to think of this but maybe someone is coaching him. What if the pick of Gaetz for AG was just a smoke screen to draw fire from other appointees? If by Gaetz drawing all the attention other controversial picks slip by under the radar? It would be a smart move if that is the case.

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President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team was blindsided by the latest details to emerge about a 2017 sexual-assault allegation against Pete Hegseth, increasing their frustration with the man nominated to lead the Pentagon, according to people familiar with the matter.

The transition team, which hadn’t been told about the original allegation before announcing Hegseth, was surprised again late Wednesday night when the Monterey, Calif., city police released a report about the 2017 allegations. The heavily redacted report details a boozy night at a hotel in California, a poolside argument, and two conflicting versions of what ultimately took place inside Hegseth’s hotel room.

The transition team wasn’t told that a copy of the police report had been released to Hegseth previously, the people familiar with the discussions said. The Monterey police said a redacted version of the report had been released to Hegseth on March 30, 2021.

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The House Ethics Committee on Wednesday declined to release its own report on Matt Gaetz, the Florida representative who has been picked to be the next Attorney General during the Trump administration.

Some committee members say that the report is "not done" but Politico reports that it is. The committee voted not to release it but Democratic Ranking Member Susan Wild says that the committee will meet again in December to vote again.

The report details allegations that Gaetz had sex with a 17-year-old girl and that he paid for sex with underage girls. The Department of Justice investigated this for three years and declined to prosecute, citing that they had a "lack of credible evidence."

One of the primary witnesses was Joel Greenberg, who was convicted of child sex trafficking. Greenberg agreed to testify against Gaetz to reduce his sentence. However, Greenberg has a history of accusing other men of pedophilia, such as when he falsely accused a school teacher who was his political opponent. Also, the 17-year-old in question who allegedly had sex with Matt Gaetz actually did have a sexual relationship with Greenberg. There is also evidence that she lied about her age, presenting herself as 18 years old.

All of this is presumably why the DOJ declined to prosecute Gaetz. But could the House Ethics Committee have unturned something more that is incriminating? Possibly. It is also possible that they didn't and that is why we haven't been allowed to see it yet.

I'd say it is in our best interest to see this and all investigations about all elected representatives.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Today, from Redacted:

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The House Ethics Committee on Wednesday declined to release its own report on Matt Gaetz, the Florida representative who has been picked to be the next Attorney General during the Trump administration.

Some committee members say that the report is "not done" but Politico reports that it is. The committee voted not to release it but Democratic Ranking Member Susan Wild says that the committee will meet again in December to vote again.

The report details allegations that Gaetz had sex with a 17-year-old girl and that he paid for sex with underage girls. The Department of Justice investigated this for three years and declined to prosecute, citing that they had a "lack of credible evidence."

One of the primary witnesses was Joel Greenberg, who was convicted of child sex trafficking. Greenberg agreed to testify against Gaetz to reduce his sentence. However, Greenberg has a history of accusing other men of pedophilia, such as when he falsely accused a school teacher who was his political opponent. Also, the 17-year-old in question who allegedly had sex with Matt Gaetz actually did have a sexual relationship with Greenberg. There is also evidence that she lied about her age, presenting herself as 18 years old.

All of this is presumably why the DOJ declined to prosecute Gaetz. But could the House Ethics Committee have unturned something more that is incriminating? Possibly. It is also possible that they didn't and that is why we haven't been allowed to see it yet.

I'd say it is in our best interest to see this and all investigations about all elected representatives.

Should we not believe the DOJ?

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Steve, I think the current DOJ would like nothing more to throw any republican in the slammer or drag them through the mud yet here they chose not to. As former LEO, I have no love for any criminal.

I do not, however, believe in ruining someone because I don't agree with them, etc.

This is where you and I differ. I think you are out of your mind. Sadly, there are many here just like you.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Steve, I think the current DOJ would like nothing more to throw any republican in the slammer or drag them through the mud yet here they chose not to. As former LEO, I have no love for any criminal.

I do not, however, believe in ruining someone because I don't agree with them, etc.

This is where you and I differ. I think you are out of your mind. Sadly, there are many here just like you.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Steve, I think the current DOJ would like nothing more to throw any republican in the slammer or drag them through the mud yet here they chose not to. As former LEO, I have no love for any criminal.

I do not, however, believe in ruining someone because I don't agree with them, etc.

This is where you and I differ. I think you are out of your mind. Sadly, there are many here just like you.

Matt Gaetz is a scumbag, there has been plenty of evidence that he trafficked prostitutes across State lines, had sex with underage girls and was involved with illicit drugs. I don't believe in ruining lives because I don't like people, I do be in accountability and not rewarding people for poor behavior. Gaetz was not suitable for the AG position, even someone as far down the rabbit hole as you should be able to see that.

The DOJ has prosecuted several high-profile Democrats recently, Hunter Biden, Eric Adams, Bob Menedez all come to mind. The Republicans are not victims despite what you hear from your right-wing media sites. It has been obvious for quite some time that you are Being told that YOU think that I am out of my mind is a compliment, I certainly would not want anyone think that you and I see the world the same.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Steve, I think the current DOJ would like nothing more to throw any republican in the slammer or drag them through the mud yet here they chose not to. As former LEO, I have no love for any criminal.


I do not, however, believe in ruining someone because I don't agree with them, etc.

This is where you and I differ. I think you are out of your mind. Sadly, there are many here just like you.

Matt Gaetz is a scumbag, there has been plenty of evidence that he trafficked prostitutes across State lines, had sex with underage girls and was involved with illicit drugs. I don't believe in ruining lives because I don't like people, I do be in accountability and not rewarding people for poor behavior. Gaetz was not suitable for the AG position, even someone as far down the rabbit hole as you should be able to see that.

The DOJ has prosecuted several high-profile Democrats recently, Hunter Biden, Eric Adams, Bob Menedez all come to mind. The Republicans are not victims despite what you hear from your right-wing media sites. It has been obvious for quite some time that you are Being told that YOU think that I am out of my mind is a compliment, I certainly would not want anyone think that you and I see the world the same.

Steve, they have not been able to prove it. He'd have been tarred and feathered long ago if they had anything. No way would a 3.5 year investigation go on if they did. Gaetz may be a total prick but so are a lot of people on this forum. You need to come to grips over this fact.

I suspect, with the mysterious fund that covers abuses by congress critters, that many more have committed truly heinous crimes that were paid off with taxpayer money. There is no way our present DOJ would protect Gaetz one bit. They have nothing.

That said, Gaetz made the right decision to back out.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Pam Bondi, the former Florida AG who got a $25,000 contribution from Trump a few days before she decided to not join the Trump University fraud action is Gaetz's replacement.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Steve, I think the current DOJ would like nothing more to throw any republican in the slammer or drag them through the mud yet here they chose not to. As former LEO, I have no love for any criminal.

I do not, however, believe in ruining someone because I don't agree with them, etc.

This is where you and I differ. I think you are out of your mind. Sadly, there are many here just like you.

Matt Gaetz is a scumbag, there has been plenty of evidence that he trafficked prostitutes across State lines, had sex with underage girls and was involved with illicit drugs. I don't believe in ruining lives because I don't like people, I do be in accountability and not rewarding people for poor behavior. Gaetz was not suitable for the AG position, even someone as far down the rabbit hole as you should be able to see that.

The DOJ has prosecuted several high-profile Democrats recently, Hunter Biden, Eric Adams, Bob Menedez all come to mind. The Republicans are not victims despite what you hear from your right-wing media sites. It has been obvious for quite some time that you are Being told that YOU think that I am out of my mind is a compliment, I certainly would not want anyone think that you and I see the world the same.

Steve, they have not been able to prove it. He'd have been tarred and feathered long ago if they had anything. No way would a 3.5 year investigation go on if they did. Gaetz may be a total prick but so are a lot of people on this forum. You need to come to grips over this fact.

I suspect, with the mysterious fund that covers abuses by congress critters, that many more have committed truly heinous crimes that were paid off with taxpayer money. There is no way our present DOJ would protect Gaetz one bit. They have nothing.

That said, Gaetz made the right decision to back out.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Pam Bondi, the former Florida AG who got a $25,000 contribution from Trump a few days before she decided to not join the Trump University fraud action is Gaetz's replacement.

Maybe Gaetz was the sacrificial piece that allowed another pawn to advance and become queen.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Interesting but not surprising. Ann will ignore the continuing controversy around Gaetz, including an ethics investigation by the House controlled by his fellow Republicans, but will gobble up the latest greatest conspiracy theory like it was turkey and dressing. No wonder they say that some conditions just cannot be fixed.

~Ann

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Again what to you as a former LEO is acceptable PROOF that Gaetz is guilty of alleged wrongdoings?

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Again what to you as a former LEO is acceptable PROOF that Gaetz is guilty of alleged wrongdoings?

Still waiting for the DOJ to arrest and charge him. That's the American way.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Exactly. NO proof.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Exactly. NO proof.

Being arrested and/or charged does NOT constitute PROOF that a crime was committed. That's what EVIDENCE is for. I expect that they have plenty. IIRC there was some comment about an unreliable witness.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Exactly. NO proof.

Being arrested and/or charged does NOT constitute PROOF that a crime was committed. That's what EVIDENCE is for. I expect that they have plenty. IIRC there was some comment about an unreliable witness.

Well, then when are they going to do something about it? Have you forgotten the burden of proof is on prosecution? How many more years do they need? Do you really believe they are letting gaetz skip on anything? It's not like he's hillary clinton or hunter 0biden.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Exactly. NO proof.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Exactly. NO proof.

You want to apply that logic to Hillary?

~Ann

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Exactly. NO proof.

You want to apply that logic to Hillary?

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Originally posted by wymple:
Don't try to change the topic. Has she been charged or arrested? It's not like the right wing republicans didn't try to nail her. She kicked their asses without invoking the 5th.

~Ann