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Originally posted by theback40:
We have no migrants here in the north building roads and houses. How do we ever live??????
You, nor I, have any idea what the IED's were for. So your AHA, is BS.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
cri·sis
/ˈkrīsəs/
noun
a time of intense difficulty, trouble, or danger.
"the current economic crisis"
Similar:
catastrophe
calamity
cataclysm
emergency
disaster
predicament


I dunno. To me, crisis isn't the correct word. But, maybe you can help me. I've asked before. The great depression was a crisis. World War 2 was a crisis. The Cuban Missile thing was a crisis.

How are people coming to the US looking for jobs a crisis?

By the way, did you know that a larger percentage of people in the US were immigrants in 1890 than today?

What sort of crisis, emergency, disaster or predicament does the immigration influx cause?

You know Mike, i may not be able to help answer that - Perhaps you should ask Mayor Adams? I mean, if you can't see that 8,000,000 people flooding into the country without processing, documentation, or any checks what so ever is a crisis, I am likely not an accept source of authority. Mayor Adams, who has less than a week's worth of Texas' illegal immigrants, want to declare an emergency

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Originally posted by theback40:
So illegals never steal, drive drunk, rape or molest or kill anyone? And, of course you have proof of this, correct?
I live on the northern border next to Quebec. Our Border Patrol has been depleted, sending officers to the Southern border.
We now have an influx of illegals from all over. It's cold. They are breaking into houses, sheds etc. Stealing cars to drive wherever.
You are a fucking dumbass if you dont think this issue affects everyone, so yes, my nose is in it.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

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Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


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Remind me again what the "crisis" is? People are coming across the border so they can get jobs to support their familes building our housing, bussing our tables, building our roads, and so on.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


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Remind me again what the "crisis" is? People are coming across the border so they can get jobs to support their familes building our housing, bussing our tables, building our roads, and so on.

Mike,

I have linked to a number of various news outlets with press releases and opinions from the Democrat Governor of Arizona, and both sitting Senators from Arizona, one a Democrat, and one a recently converted Democrat.

All three think there is a problem with how this has unfolded.

That you choose to ignore that is on you.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Go ahead and send me a threatening PM like you like to do to others.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Mike,
when you've lost this badly, you can either drop the issue or change your handle to symple/jeffrey-the-special-five

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Originally posted by theback40:
The border on the north is just like the border on the south, entry into the US.
You dont read the news do you? There was a car with illegals that ran the border at the Niagra crossing and detonated. I think they were middle eastern, you can look it up yourself.
Look up yourself, the increase in illegal crossing on the north border.
Go ahead and send me a threatening PM like you like to do to others. See what my return challenge will be.
As far as crime rates, if they are not here illegally, they have no crime rate to add to what we have.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Mike,
when you've lost this badly, you can either drop the issue or change your handle to symple/jeffrey-the-special-five

Well, Jeffe....I always appreciate your unbiased and uninformed commentary.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


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I think it's the purview of congress and the WH.

I can't be sure where the dysfunction's epicenter is, but it seems to me that there is a lot of focus on making the other side wrong, strictly for votes rather than solving the problem.

If Trump is a solution - gwad help us.

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We have arrived at Disfunction Junction.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Mike,
when you've lost this badly, you can either drop the issue or change your handle to symple/jeffrey-the-special-five

Well, Jeffe....I always appreciate your unbiased and uninformed commentary.

Mike, I have to say, you are a worthy friend - I do appreciate you, and the jibes. I expect you are a good man - no sarcasm

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


.

Remind me again what the "crisis" is? People are coming across the border so they can get jobs to support their familes building our housing, bussing our tables, building our roads, and so on.

Mike,

I have linked to a number of various news outlets with press releases and opinions from the Democrat Governor of Arizona, and both sitting Senators from Arizona, one a Democrat, and one a recently converted Democrat.

All three think there is a problem with how this has unfolded.

That you choose to ignore that is on you.

Ty, I always appreciate your commentary. Well thought out.

I just can't get behind the demonization of these folks who come here looking to work. Seems un-American to me.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
But, not very often.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Do you have any facts that support the assertion that there are Russians or terrorists crossing the southern border? Or, has the FOX narrative just changed to the national security argument?

actually, he posted said link right above your post - there's more CONFRIMED terror watch border jumpers than Trump has cases - if one is significant, then so is the other

Just in case Mike dosen't care for the linked article from the Daily Wire, here's another from a different source:

And Mike, you will note, it is Director Wray who confirmed the National Security threat, not Rupert Murdoch
and the Koch Bros

https://homeland.house.gov/202...risis-at-the-border/


From FBI Director Christopher Wray:

"...Director Wray confirmed the national security threat posed by the nearly 1.8 million gotaways and the rising number of individuals on the terrorist watchlist apprehended crossing the Southwest border, as well as the more 7.8 million individuals encountered by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) since Biden and Mayorkas took office. Mayorkas could not confirm whether every suspected terrorist that crosses the Southwest border illegally is detained by CBP..."


“FBI Director Christopher Wray on Wednesday said that the number of illegal immigrants evading Border Patrol agents and escaping into the country is a source of “great concern” for the agency, as he told lawmakers that threats from the other side of the border are “consuming” FBI field offices."

“Wray testified to lawmakers on the House Homeland Security Committee about “worldwide threats” to the U.S. Chairman Mark Green asked Wray about the numbers of gotaways — illegal immigrants at the border who evaded Border Patrol — which have exceeded 600,000 in FY 23."


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I'm not saying there isn't a potential threat. Of course there is....and has been for decades, I might point out. I'm saying that the idea that a group of terrorists would utilize the southern border as an entry point seems pretty remote. Walking or driving across Arizona or south Texas with bombs and AK-47's?

Why wouldn't they just fly in? And, buy a bunch of AR's and AK's at a gun show along with a shitload of ammunition? And build their own explosives?

We need comprehensive immigration reform to deal with the problem. These people want to work to take care of their families. They're not terrorists or Russian spies for god's sake. They want construction and service jobs. You know, the jobs Americans aren't usually interested in doing.

In other words, I'm not buying the argument that keeping immigrants out is a national security issue. If it is, it's been one that both the republicans and the Democrats have been ignoring for a long time.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

Again, I wonder how many of them are Russian?

IDK, but they've caught 150+ terror watch list guys, and 10s of thousands of Non-Latinos -

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The following link is to an absolutely fascinating article from the Global Initiative Against Transnational Organised Crime, dated May 2023.

It is entitled: "Entrepreneurial Newcomers - Russian-speaking migrant smugglers on the US southern border"
https://globalinitiative.net/a...-us-southern-border/

It details the Russian smuggling networks from Russia through Europe, Asia, and Africa into South and Central America, Mexico, and into the USA, and how it all works.

An Excellent Read, and a real eye-opener.