quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Question for you MM.
have you been to the border before and after the Biden administration took over?
I have said over and over. If they have been all vetted, and can support themselves when they get here, give them a work permit.
Just because you are worried about mowing your lawn, dont put that on the rest of us.

I go to Brownsville 3 or 4 times a year to fish. It's unbelievable. Roving gangs of illegals and cartel members everywhere. They hold you down and force Fentanyl down your throat.

So no difference from trump era to bidens?
I asked an honest question.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
So no difference from trump era to bidens?
I asked an honest question.

What difference would you expect?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...otiations-rcna125151

No good answers for Biden as voters recoil over border crossings
President Joe Biden finds himself caught between the right and the left, searching for answers on immigration ahead of the 2024 election.

Dec. 2, 2023 , 6:00 AM EST

(Excerpt)

Biden is facing a monumental crisis as unlawful border crossings spike and migrants arrive in crowded cities with no jobs or places to sleep, stirring resentment among Democratic governors and mayors who are part of his governing coalition.

Biden has another incentive to agree to more restrictive asylum policies — he dearly wants more money for Ukraine so that it can repel Russian forces. The president has put forward a supplemental spending request that would go toward helping Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, which Republicans in Congress want coupled with strict new border provisions.

The debate over immigration has shifted from finding a humane way to deal with undocumented immigrants already living in the U.S. to stopping more from coming in. On his first day in office, Biden put forward a bill that would provide a vehicle for undocumented immigrants to become U.S. citizens. It has gone nowhere in Congress; Biden has been reluctant to invest scarce political capital into passing the bill at the expense of other legislative priorities like upgrading the nation’s infrastructure.

“In nearly three years since [Biden took office], Congress has failed to act on it,” a White House official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss policy-making. “Because of their failure, the administration has focused on implementing a strategy of humane, safe and orderly enforcement, and have put in place policies to process individuals in a fair and fast manner, and continue to remove those without a legal basis to remain in the United States.”

When he was president, Trump described sending migrants to Democratic-run cities as his own “sick idea.” In a sign of how the immigration debate has shifted, Trump’s “sick idea” has gone mainstream. Republican governors Greg Abbott of Texas and Ron DeSantis of Florida managed to divide Democratic officials by sending undocumented immigrants into blue cities and states. Strained by the influx, Democratic mayors and governors have in some cases blamed the White House for not doing enough to ease the burden.

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker sent a letter to Biden in October warning of a migrant “crisis” in his state and faulting the administration for a lack of “intervention and coordination at the border.”

Flying with the president on Air Force One the following month, Pritzker, a Democrat, again raised the issue of migrants entering his state and seeking asylum.

The migrants, coming mostly from Texas, needed proper housing and other resources that Illinois was hard-pressed to provide. “The president understood his frustration and immense need for more aid,” a person with the governor’s office told NBC News.

New York City Council members traveled to Washington, D.C., earlier this year to talk to Biden administration officials and lawmakers about a crisis that has forced migrants to sleep on streets in some cases.

“It’s not the responsibility of a municipality to finance or manage an international migrant crisis,” Justin Brannan, a Democratic city councilman who was on the trip, said in an interview. “The city doesn’t have a Department of Resettlement. We don’t have the agencies or the bandwidth or the expertise to do that.”

“Honestly, the lack of response from the White House has been puzzling,” he added.

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Also:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p...n-border-enforcement

Biden promises to veto any House GOP bill on border enforcement
Politics May 8, 2023 4:58 PM EST

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https://youtu.be/fC49pPR1Ryk?si=JqnJPoYutUoziSbY

Why illegal crossings are on the rise at the southern border

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https://www.usatoday.com/borde...y-methods/559784001/

A human smuggler, and the wall that will make him rich
Daniel González & Gustavo Solis | azcentral.com | The Desert Sun

https://www.usatoday.com/borde...g-methods/605530001/

Border crossers, and the wall that won't stop them
Rafael Carranza | azcentral.com | USA TODAY NETWORK

More people.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Biden is facing a monumental crisis as unlawful border crossings spike and migrants arrive in crowded cities with no jobs or places to sleep, stirring resentment among Democratic governors and mayors who are part of his governing coalition.

in other words, a border crisis -- iow, an open border
in your own words

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

in other words, a border crisis -- iow, an open border
in your own words

BS

There is a crisis, but there is no open border.

If the border was "open" the coyotes would be out of the business of sneaking their clients across. Instead, they would just rent buses and drive them across by the hundreds on the open road, with the border agents just waving them through.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...qar?ocid=socialshare

Senate delays holiday recess to work on foreign aid, border deal

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said the chamber will return Monday, cutting into a scheduled holiday recess, to give negotiators more time to reach a deal on foreign aid and border security. CBS News congressional correspondent Scott MacFarlane has the latest.

Per Fox News:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...o17?ocid=socialshare

We are sending a clear message to Chuck Schumer: Sen. Roger Marshall

Sen. Roger Marshall, R-Ks., reacts to the Senate voting on $106 billion in foreign aid as the border crisis continues on 'Kudlow.'

More:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...r4T?ocid=socialshare

'It's unserious': Democrat rips GOP colleagues over House agenda

Bipartisan talks resumed in the Senate Thursday about a possible deal to increase border at the U.S. southern border. The bill being discussed would include funding for the border and for Israel and Ukraine. Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., discusses the effort for funding for Ukraine and Israel.

Per Fox News:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ptH?ocid=socialshare

Sen. Ron Johnson: Biden's open border policy is a 'clear and present danger' to the US

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., says the Democratic Party isn't 'serious' about securing the southern border on 'Kudlow.'

Weird. Biden thinks there is an open border crisis. I am awed by your mental gymnastics.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/i...border-restrictions/

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Weird. Biden thinks there is an open border crisis. I am awed by your mental gymnastics.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/i...border-restrictions/

Your awe is of your own making. Thanks for thinking I'm capable and willing to use "mental gymnastics". I suppose that's projection on your part, which maybe explains your awe.

I quickly read the article you linked and nowhere in it did I see the words "open border". Maybe I missed it.

What I saw was "Biden Admin Open to new border policy".

But somehow you read it as just "open border".

Weird.

Could you possibly be demonstrating to us how rightists' propaganda narratives can find a niche in even the best minds?

ME,
that you demand specific labels is weird -- i mean, i bet there's NO instance of trump calling himself a fascists -- but you sure ladle that term around. let's just agree you are a HYPROCRITE in playing word games, which I'd nicely labeled "mental gymnastics" ... please don't answer immediately - take a couple minutes to think about related cases where you have run into similar circumstances in your mouth. but who am I to ask you to take a moment of self-reflection -- including your projection of your behavior when it's been called out - it's natural to reject criticism, but to totally lash out in inversion is a thing

quote:

i bet there's NO instance of trump calling himself a fascists

but who am I to ask you to take a moment of self-reflection

Okay. A moderator - that's who.

But I did a search on "has Trump ever called himself a fascist"?

The results are:

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1

I would like to reach a truce with you Jeffee. The ability to express myself, the free speech thing and all, is a wonderful thing here. Thanks Saeed.

But using the word "fascist" isn't that important to me. It's just that authoritarian is harder to spell and type, plus the "A" word needs adjectives such as rabid, toxic, etc., for emphasis. The "F" word is sufficient.

Trump's words and deeds and his approval/following and his owning the GOP speaks for itself.

I'll let the pundits and media and folks who know more about it that I have at it. They are doing a good job with the issue, those I pay attention to, mostly reporting Trump's own words and associated facts.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
ME,
that you demand specific labels is weird -- i mean, i bet there's NO instance of trump calling himself a fascists -- but you sure ladle that term around. let's just agree you are a HYPROCRITE in playing word games, which I'd nicely labeled "mental gymnastics" ... please don't answer immediately - take a couple minutes to think about related cases where you have run into similar circumstances in your mouth. but who am I to ask you to take a moment of self-reflection -- including your projection of your behavior when it's been called out - it's natural to reject criticism, but to totally lash out in inversion is a thing

So what if Trump doesn't call himself a fascist. He doesn't talk about his small pecker either.

And we don't agree that I'm a hypocrite, playing word games. Saying "open borders" and "border crisis" are two different things. The first is a catch phrase, a narrative handle designed for political gain and harm and isn't designed to reflect the truth at all. The "border crisis" is real, and actually says enough. In significant part both parties own the crisis, the GOP for spreading the lie that the borders are open and for not acting of Biden's border policy reforms and the Dems for several other reasons.

So, I'm not playing word games at all. I'm sorting out the word games of others, particularly the GOPers. The use of the words "open borders" is a political word game, designed for harm, or gain, not at all to reflect the truth. And that's typical. Tucker Carlson used the term for/with great effect. Anything he says should be considered a lie, by sane people.

You are correct in that I can say herein such things as fascist and the "open border" narrative is a lie, but saying it in person causes hackles to raise. People get emotional and defensive about such things because emotion, even passion, is what caused the belief that Trump is not a fascist wannabee and the borders are actually open. To acknowledge otherwise would stir, cascade, their rigid beliefs too deeply.

https://www.politifact.com/fac...letely-open-s-false/

US southern border 'completely open'? That’s False

https://www.theguardian.com/us...n-rules-restrictions

‘The border is not open’: US immediately replaces Title 42 with strict new rules

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/...er-open-borders-myth

The myth of a U.S.-Mexico "open border"

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

But I did a search on "has Trump ever called himself a fascist"?

The results are:

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1

I read through a couple pages of you link - and, unsurprisingly, the results are null set for the search terms - now, more authoritarian than totalitarian - neither of which are good

quote:

null set for the search terms

Try authoritarian or totalitarian or dictator, or narcissist. Insofar as your claim that Trump has not called himself a fascist, you will find a null set for those other words too.

You may find where he's said he's a patriot, while clutching the flag and using the word "vermin" to describe non-loyalists. You won't find where he's called himself a Christian either, while holding a Bible and hands-on prayer circle jerk for photo-op. And you won't find where he's referred to himself as a birther or former democrat or anti-pro-lifer or draft evader, but he called John McCain a loser, among other nasty things, then lied and said he didn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ments_on_John_McCain

did you just agree with me that's he's authoritarian rather than fascist?

https://apnews.com/article/ari...04bea0f0ef6a2f387ef0

Yeah, no open border crisis

cri·sis
/ˈkrīsəs/
noun
a time of intense difficulty, trouble, or danger.
"the current economic crisis"
Similar:
catastrophe
calamity
cataclysm
emergency
disaster
predicament


I dunno. To me, crisis isn't the correct word. But, maybe you can help me. I've asked before. The great depression was a crisis. World War 2 was a crisis. The Cuban Missile thing was a crisis.

How are people coming to the US looking for jobs a crisis?

By the way, did you know that a larger percentage of people in the US were immigrants in 1890 than today?

What sort of crisis, emergency, disaster or predicament does the immigration influx cause?

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
https://apnews.com/article/ari...04bea0f0ef6a2f387ef0

Yeah, no open border crisis

Arizona's Governor Hobbs' letter to President Biden:

https://mcusercontent.com/44a5...TUS.12.8.2023.01.pdf


Arizona's Senator Mark Kelly's thoughts.
(Note, it has been over a year, and nothing has changed.)

https://www.nationalreview.com...border-frustrations/



Arizona's Senator Kirsten Sinema's thoughts:

https://www.azcentral.com/stor...funding/70787165007/



Here's a question for all Americans.

Do you believe operational control of our Southern border is critical to National security?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15...l-hearing/index.html



It almost appears the Bidenadministration is blind, deaf, and dumb...


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quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
cri·sis
/ˈkrīsəs/
noun
a time of intense difficulty, trouble, or danger.
"the current economic crisis"
Similar:
catastrophe
calamity
cataclysm
emergency
disaster
predicament


I dunno. To me, crisis isn't the correct word. But, maybe you can help me. I've asked before. The great depression was a crisis. World War 2 was a crisis. The Cuban Missile thing was a crisis.

How are people coming to the US looking for jobs a crisis?

By the way, did you know that a larger percentage of people in the US were immigrants in 1890 than today?

What sort of crisis, emergency, disaster or predicament does the immigration influx cause?

You know Mike, i may not be able to help answer that - Perhaps you should ask Mayor Adams? I mean, if you can't see that 8,000,000 people flooding into the country without processing, documentation, or any checks what so ever is a crisis, I am likely not an accept source of authority. Mayor Adams, who has less than a week's worth of Texas' illegal immigrants, want to declare an emergency

I do find it interesting that MM knows the intent of every one of these migrants.

Because MM and EM are epitome of intent
They intent to figure out everyone’s intent and intent to tell everyone they know about their intent
Intentionally they know their own intent

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do find it interesting that MM knows the intent of every one of these migrants.

I would not assume to speak for Mike, I also would not assume to assign intent to all 8+ million.

However, I can speak to the intent of at least 1.7 million of them. (Nearly 1 in every 4 of the 8 million)

Those 1.7 million, referred to as "known gotaways", intent, was to evade and elude this nation's law enforcement agencies. That is a fact.


Again, I wonder how many of them are Russian?


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quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

Again, I wonder how many of them are Russian?

IDK, but they've caught 150+ terror watch list guys, and 10s of thousands of Non-Latinos -

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

Again, I wonder how many of them are Russian?

IDK, but they've caught 150+ terror watch list guys, and 10s of thousands of Non-Latinos -

"Authorities reportedly flagged at least 280 of those individuals on the FBI’s terrorist watchlist over the last three years based on fiscal year-end and monthly migrant data reported by the federal agency."

https://www.dailywire.com/news...tered-u-s-in-fy-2023


And, those 10's of thousands of non-latinos may have come from any one of the 120 different countries the USC&BP has identified.


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quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I do find it interesting that MM knows the intent of every one of these migrants.

I would not assume to speak for Mike, I also would not assume to assign intent to all 8+ million.

However, I can speak to the intent of at least 1.7 million of them. (Nearly 1 in every 4 of the 8 million)

Those 1.7 million, referred to as "known gotaways", intent, was to evade and elude this nation's law enforcement agencies. That is a fact.


Again, I wonder how many of them are Russian?


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You think there are Russians infiltrating into the United States through the southern border?

Ask the Israeli's how having the most patrolled, protected, walled-off real estate in the world worked out for them security-wise. The Gaza strip is 25 miles long. Nothing we can do along our 2,000 mile border to prevent terrorists from coming across it if they are determined to do so.

Do you have any facts that support the assertion that there are Russians or terrorists crossing the southern border? Or, has the FOX narrative just changed to the national security argument?

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
You think there are Russians infiltrating into the United States through the southern border?

The ruskies, as a people, don't concern me, but a couple hundred known bad guys does- how many actual actors in 9/11?

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Ask the Israeli's how having the most patrolled, protected, walled-off real estate in the world worked out for them security-wise. The Gaza strip is 25 miles long.

and required armed forces and organization to breech

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell: Nothing we can do along our 2,000 mile border to prevent terrorists from coming across it if they are determined to do so.

Mike, my life has been devoted to solving problems at scale - If little old jeffe can handle problems at scale, i am certain the mental giants we COULD hire for government service could - but, you know, I am old school scottish - good fences make good neighbors, - it's harder to steal cattle over good fences, as i recognize my heritage

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Do you have any facts that support the assertion that there are Russians or terrorists crossing the southern border? Or, has the FOX narrative just changed to the national security argument?

actually, he posted said link right above your post - there's more CONFRIMED terror watch border jumpers than Trump has cases - if one is significant, then so is the other

Mexico has been finding IED's brought to the border wall.
I'm sure honest, licensed, quarrymen looking for a job.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Do you have any facts that support the assertion that there are Russians or terrorists crossing the southern border? Or, has the FOX narrative just changed to the national security argument?

actually, he posted said link right above your post - there's more CONFRIMED terror watch border jumpers than Trump has cases - if one is significant, then so is the other

Just in case Mike dosen't care for the linked article from the Daily Wire, here's another from a different source:

And Mike, you will note, it is Director Wray who confirmed the National Security threat, not Rupert Murdoch
and the Koch Bros

https://homeland.house.gov/202...risis-at-the-border/


From FBI Director Christopher Wray:

"...Director Wray confirmed the national security threat posed by the nearly 1.8 million gotaways and the rising number of individuals on the terrorist watchlist apprehended crossing the Southwest border, as well as the more 7.8 million individuals encountered by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) since Biden and Mayorkas took office. Mayorkas could not confirm whether every suspected terrorist that crosses the Southwest border illegally is detained by CBP..."


“FBI Director Christopher Wray on Wednesday said that the number of illegal immigrants evading Border Patrol agents and escaping into the country is a source of “great concern” for the agency, as he told lawmakers that threats from the other side of the border are “consuming” FBI field offices."

“Wray testified to lawmakers on the House Homeland Security Committee about “worldwide threats” to the U.S. Chairman Mark Green asked Wray about the numbers of gotaways — illegal immigrants at the border who evaded Border Patrol — which have exceeded 600,000 in FY 23."


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Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?



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quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

Do you have any facts that support the assertion that there are Russians or terrorists crossing the southern border? Or, has the FOX narrative just changed to the national security argument?

actually, he posted said link right above your post - there's more CONFRIMED terror watch border jumpers than Trump has cases - if one is significant, then so is the other

Just in case Mike dosen't care for the linked article from the Daily Wire, here's another from a different source:

And Mike, you will note, it is Director Wray who confirmed the National Security threat, not Rupert Murdoch
and the Koch Bros

https://homeland.house.gov/202...risis-at-the-border/


From FBI Director Christopher Wray:

"...Director Wray confirmed the national security threat posed by the nearly 1.8 million gotaways and the rising number of individuals on the terrorist watchlist apprehended crossing the Southwest border, as well as the more 7.8 million individuals encountered by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) since Biden and Mayorkas took office. Mayorkas could not confirm whether every suspected terrorist that crosses the Southwest border illegally is detained by CBP..."


“FBI Director Christopher Wray on Wednesday said that the number of illegal immigrants evading Border Patrol agents and escaping into the country is a source of “great concern” for the agency, as he told lawmakers that threats from the other side of the border are “consuming” FBI field offices."

“Wray testified to lawmakers on the House Homeland Security Committee about “worldwide threats” to the U.S. Chairman Mark Green asked Wray about the numbers of gotaways — illegal immigrants at the border who evaded Border Patrol — which have exceeded 600,000 in FY 23."


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I'm not saying there isn't a potential threat. Of course there is....and has been for decades, I might point out. I'm saying that the idea that a group of terrorists would utilize the southern border as an entry point seems pretty remote. Walking or driving across Arizona or south Texas with bombs and AK-47's?

Why wouldn't they just fly in? And, buy a bunch of AR's and AK's at a gun show along with a shitload of ammunition? And build their own explosives?

We need comprehensive immigration reform to deal with the problem. These people want to work to take care of their families. They're not terrorists or Russian spies for god's sake. They want construction and service jobs. You know, the jobs Americans aren't usually interested in doing.

In other words, I'm not buying the argument that keeping immigrants out is a national security issue. If it is, it's been one that both the republicans and the Democrats have been ignoring for a long time.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

In other words, I'm not buying the argument that keeping immigrants out is a national security issue. If it is, it's been one that both the republicans and the Democrats have been ignoring for a long time.

Bill Clinton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IrDrBs13oA

B Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZEXeEKPJ0

Joe -- kind of on it .. he's been told
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLqm3vvrMHM

Schumer on building a wall - i recommend reading the c-span text, rather than watching the whole video
https://www.c-span.org/video/?...border-security-bill

Bush, for the love of all, even called out terrorists on the southern border
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6wSnTNwgqA


there's no need to include a trump saying the same thing that Bush, Clinton, Obama, (clinton), Schumer, and Joe of said -- repeatedly -

Dems are certainly FOR a wall when in-power

MSN article.
Border Patrol agents warned to be alert for explosives.

10 IED's found at the border wall.
Nothing to worry about, right Mike?

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

MSN
Andrew Rodriguez
"One photo sums up what's really happening at the border."
It shows and tells of the AK, armed men that have crossed into the US. Must have bought them in the US, huh Mike?

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
MSN article.
Border Patrol agents warned to be alert for explosives.

10 IED's found at the border wall.
Nothing to worry about, right Mike?

Well, you forgot to mention that it was cartel people that had the IED's.

I know how eager the drug Cartels are to import IED's into the US so they can engage in terrorist activities. Versus blowing each other up so they can fight about who gets to sell billions of dollars worth of drugs to US citizens. Hmmm....let me think.

This is a perfect example of how stupid the argument is.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


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quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Do we really want to cut Trump loose, supposedly to solve this and other "problems", or should congress just handle it?

=============================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6111f4e7159e41&ei=24

‘Dictator' Trump Plans to Deploy Massive Number of Troops on U.S. Soil
Story by Adam Rawnsley • 20h

You sound like me, in that I don't believe the Government gives a shit.

But, why the fuck should I have to wait on the "next" President to solve problems?

.

Correct.

What is govt for if not to solve this sort of crisis?

Yet, we have to suffer this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_X_...?si=hZTshyG_V5LyGrUG

Agreed.

But what is happening on the Southern border right now it the purview of the current resident of the White House, no?


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Remind me again what the "crisis" is? People are coming across the border so they can get jobs to support their familes building our housing, bussing our tables, building our roads, and so on.

We have no migrants here in the north building roads and houses. How do we ever live??????
You, nor I, have any idea what the IED's were for. So your AHA, is BS.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
We have no migrants here in the north building roads and houses. How do we ever live??????
You, nor I, have any idea what the IED's were for. So your AHA, is BS.

So, the drug cartels....who make billions of dollars selling drugs in the US....are smuggling IED's into the US so they can be used in terrorist activities?

Is that really your position? Think, man.