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That particular M700 ADL had the old bolt locking saety. I had not even touched the bolt let, @ least I had not opened it or the gun would not have fired. The gun went off as soon as I flicked off the safety. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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Fool may be a bit harsh but what do you call someone wondering around the woods with his rifle on safe and his finger on the trigger? Especially when he has "bubbaized" his trigger below the safe threshold of the walker trigger to show how kewl he is?? I'll tell my little story. It's only an example of one but I think it's as germaine as most of the stories in this thread: I'd bought a new 700 in 22-250. I planned on it being a Pdog rifle which meant it would never have a round in the magazine, it would be fired single fire, it would only be loaded once I was settled in with a target in sight. Among other things, I adjusted the trigger to 36ozs. IMO, that's about the bottem limit of a Walker trigger. To be sure, I bounced it on the floor, I put the rifle on safe and pulled the trigger and then took it off safety, I did all the neat things you do to make sure it's safe. Needless to say it was crisp and broke like a piece of glass. That evening a friend came over to see it. He picked it up, verified that it was unloaded and then closed the bolt and flipped the safety off: "CLICK" That noise in the quietness of my shop sounded like a bomb going off. He cycled the bolt, put the safety on, and when he flipped it off, "CLICK". I took the rifle and repeated what he had done, several times, and the firing pin would not fall for me????? We finally figured out that he had his finger on the trigger when he flipped the safety off and his trigger finger would make an involuntary movement when he thumbed off the safety. Even knowing the cause, he was unable to use his thumb to take off the safety without his trigger finger moving. One has to wonder how many of these "ADs" that are blamed on the rifle are a result of the same situation? Especially when you factor in cold and wet hands. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Question to Fourbore. Why your apparent glee that Remington is being hassled? Do you think it makes your Handi rifle look good by comparison?  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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No, the Locking Lugs will not be Sheared Off on the Remington. Vapo knows the answer(s), he is just checking to see if any of the people who have responded to the thread actually know. My guess is that 99% of the responders really don't know. ----- Mr. Montes' situation would be due to the exact same reason(s) which created " All " the unexpected shots anyone has ever heard about or seen written about: 1. Worn or Broken parts in the Trigger Assembly. 2. Trash, Dirt, Crud, Solidified WD-40, Gunk in Solidified Lube(s) - basically - Non-Existant or Improper Trigger Maintenance. 3. Mis-Adjusted Triggers which allow the Sear to Release when the rifle is Dropped, Bumped or Jostled. 4. Pulling the Trigger with the Safety OFF. Either by accident with a Finger, Twig, Button, etc. Now, here is the critical part that those who are pounding on Remington never seem to understand - the exact same thing can happen on ANY Firearm ever manufactured from Battleship Cannons to Saturday Night Specials. Here is one example of a M70 Firing when the Safety is Released for those of you who know all about Triggers. ----- Nothing wrong with being Ignorant " if " you can learn and correct that situation. Best of luck to you folks.   | |||
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I am not gleeful. I am lucky it was not me that lost a nice buck when the safety was released. It was not me who returned the rifle to Remington only to have the gun go off again. ( BTW-Trigger pull never adjusted by the owner.) Nor, was it me who dumped a pile of cash to have it expertly repaired by a gunsmith (new parts, new trigger). Remington should be ashamed of themselves. I do own a Model 7 and its been fine, but dont live in the woods like some of my hunting nut buddies. This guy dont own 50 Remingtons. One Remington with a lot of hours in the field. Seriously Remington is wrong here. Flat out morally and business wrong. Making excuses dont cut it either by Remington or by those who never had the problem. Heck, I never had a problem with my Model 7. I did make the mistake of buying an 870, but that is another story. As was a defective H&R built by the green machine. A third story. Questioning my motives, don't make Remington right either. I consider safety serious business. I expect both the equipment and the human up to the task. | |||
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I can. We even have a law because of it now, named for the victim. Taken from Wikipedia: Here's the direct link also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...7s_law_%28Arizona%29 Shannon's law (Arizona) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Shannon's law refers to specific changes in Arizona statutes, enacted in 2000, making it a felony offense to discharge firearms randomly into the air.[1] Contents [hide] * 1 History * 2 Current * 3 Shannon Smith * 4 References * 5 External links [edit] History Shannon's law is named after Shannon Smith, a fourteen year old Phoenix girl killed by a stray bullet in June 1999. Smith's parents, after being informed that the assailant's activity constituted, at most, a misdemeanor offense, advocated stronger penalties, to prevent future tragedies of this kind. Their campaign took them all over Arizona, and their efforts were supported by city councils of medium-sized Arizona cities such as Tucson. Then-Governor Jane Hull also joined them in their cause. After the Arizona legislature failed to pass the law twice in 1999, it finally received both state senate and state house approval in April, 2000, and was enacted in that July. Many groups, such as NRA, and gun right advocates, protested the law before it was approved and enforced. [edit] Current Violation of Shannon's law is defined as a felony offense in Arizona. However, as with most felony offenses in U.S. jurisdictions, a person charged with this offense can strike a plea bargain with prosecutors, and may be eligible for only a misdemeanor conviction. The decision of whether such an offer is available lies solely in the hands of the prosecutor, and presently these offenses are being charged as "dangerous" offenses, thereby making the accused ineligible for probation under state law, requiring a prison sentence even for a first offense. On December 31, 2003, police in the city of Glendale began using equipment which alerted them to the location from which a shot was fired. As random discharge of firearms are common in some areas of the U.S. on New Year's Eve, Fourth of July, and other holidays, four arrests of Shannon's law violators were made that night, and it is expected that more Arizona police departments will receive similar equipment. [edit] Shannon Smith Shannon Smith had been an award-winning athlete and honor student, and had graduated from the eighth grade a few weeks prior to her death. While standing in her backyard and talking on the telephone with a friend, a stray bullet hit her in her head, causing instant death. Smith's death sparked a furor among Arizona residents. Her funeral was attended by approximately 1,300 mourners. A monument, made with melted metal from confiscated firearms, was raised in her honor at her middle school by her classmates and friends. Tens of thousands of dollars in donations for the monument were primarily raised by Shannon's friends and classmates holding car washes. After being informed by the police that random discharge of firearms was a simple misdemeanor, Smith's parents resolved to change the laws and ran a statewide campaign advocating harsher punishment for random shooters. Their campaign gained support from such people as then-Governor Jane Dee Hull. In April 2000, "Shannon's law" was passed, over the opposition of such groups as the National Rifle Association. [edit] References 1. ^ 13-3107 - Unlawful discharge of firearms; exceptions; classification; definitions Si tantum EGO eram dimidium ut bonus ut EGO memor | |||
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I happen to own (and hunt with) a Rem 721, a Rem 700, and a Rem 600 all with the affected (and described in this thread) trigger/safety issues.....and to my delight, they all function safely and correctly.... I sincerely hope no one will be offended if I point the rifle vertically (or nearly so) upward when I take the safety off to remove a round from the chamber to unload said gun! If everyone did that, the reason for this thread would definitely not exist! Yes.....maybe I should point it vertically down instead. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I have had lots of Remmy's w/ no problems. BUT I did by last year buy one of the highly touted 5R target models. It had the new X-mark pro triggers and I had the rifle in the bags, dropped a shell in, closed the bolt, flicked the safety off BAAAAAAAAAAANG!!!!! On top of the rifle didn't shoot worth a damn I just ended up returning it to the dealer I got it from and told him of the AD. Good riddens to a bad rifle. | |||
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I can. We even have a law because of it now, named for the victim. Taken from Wikipedia: Here's the direct link also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...7s_law_%28Arizona%29
There is a difference between a bullet that is traveling in a trajectory arc & a bullet than is "FALLING" from the sky. If a bulet is fired in a near vertical path, it will @ some point stop it's upward movement & start to fall to earth. @ some point, as it is "falling", it will reach "terminal velocity" when the resistance of the atmosphere will = the pull of gravity & the bullet will stop accelerating & remain @ a given velocity. Unless the ptojectile has enough mass, (a rifle bulet would probably not) it is not likely to cause serious injury when it strikes. It's like the myth of a penny dropped off the Empire State Building penetrating a persons skull on impact. When I was a youg teen, we were sitting in the kitchen W/the windows open one summer night. We heard a thud that sounded like something hitting my brother (then) new '65 Ford that was just outside the window in the driveway. I went out into the driveway & found a spent jacketed .45 (ACP) caliber bullet lying between the fender of my brother's car & the brick wall of the house. There was no impact damage to the bullet, no flat spots or scuff marks. Upon careful inspection of my brother's car the next day, we could not find any marks on the car either suggesting that the bullet probably hit in a glancing blow. Granted, it might have left some damage if it had hit a flat surface like the hood, but still I don't think it would have left more than a small knot on sombodies noggin if it hit a person. That being said, I once saw a moron shooting a .375 Magnum of some sort in a slight upward trajectory @ a target sitting on top of a rise in a picked soybean field in southern Indiana. There was an intersection about 1 1/2 miles away in the direction he was shooting. He was oblivious to the fact that that cartridge could even travel that far much less most likely kill someone @ that distance. There's a reason why they only allow shotguns for deer hunting in those parts I guess. GOOGLE HOTLINK FIX FOR BLOCKED PHOTOBUCKET IMAGES https://chrome.google.com/webs...inkfix=1516144253810 | |||
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I worry more about QC ! In a world ever more trying to make things cheaper it's easy to drop QC standards. I'm not an active smith but I can only remember two times I saw safety problems .Both were 22 pistols , one my own Browning .With pistol cocked and safety on -if you then pull trigger nothing happens . But when you then release the safety the pistol fired !! Obviously dimension were not correct but a bit of work solved that. | |||
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And you guys all thought I was stupid not wanting to carry a round in the chamber....20 year problem with confirmed deaths..... | |||
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Never trust a safety. One of the reasons I carry a 1911 is that there are multiple safeties, but I never trust that they will always work. Same with rifles. When my uncle taught us to shoot in the 80's, the problem with the 700 trigger was something he talked about. He was also very clear you keep the muzzle clear when unloading. And if you think that is bad, try an SKS with a worn sear some time. My father about had a heart attack! | |||
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There is no happy solution for an unintended discharge. I had another buddy take a serious hunk of copper jacket in the leg after shooting into the ground at too close a range. He fired on purpose and just did not expect the bullet might come back. Live and learn, luckily. | |||
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A fatality isn't necessary for a falling bullet to cause property damage - broken windows on cars, etc. But since you insist, here's more than one: http://jonathanturley.org/2010...ly-on-new-years-eve/ http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewe...h-by-falling-bullet/ http://www.nola.com/news/index...arnings_renewed.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire . | |||
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I was merely giving vapo the "one example" he asked for. I have no axe to grind with anyone. I have my father's Rem 700 BDL that he bought in the very early 70's. I don't remember exactly when, but I remember I went with him to pick it up when the scope mounting was done. I was just big enough to barely see over the gun counter then. I think it was '70, or '71, but I'm not positive. The point to it is his rifle is still box-original, never had diddly done to it, and it's never had a problem in very close to 40 years worth of hunting and shooting. I'm not a Remington lover or hater. I only have 4. 2 shotguns and 2 rifles. The only complaint I've ever had is my Rem 597 .22 semi-auto won't group for crap no matter what ammo I've tried in it. That and the first magazine that came with it was a jamm-a-matic. That at least has been cured by buying a new magazine with a redesigned mag follower. I had a 600 in .243 when I was a teen. I practically slept with that rifle, I shot it so much. I never once had an issue with that one either. I ended up trading that one away in my youth, and I still regret that. It was a great little whitetail gun. I agree with all the comments about gun safety and muzzle control. Absolutely no excuses for poor gun handling, anywhere, anytime. I do also think that there's been way too many of these AD's, to not have something to it. I think Rem should step up and offer a fix, maybe not for free, but for a low cost. It's gotta be cheaper than being sued out of business by these cases. One case won $17 MILLION!! That would modify/upgrade a whole lot of rifles right there. Si tantum EGO eram dimidium ut bonus ut EGO memor | |||
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Exactly Mr. Beeman. I work with firearms everyday and see people time and time again make mistakes that they dont even know they are making. There are two reasons why most problems happen. Ignorance, which can be fixed with a little training, and poor attitude. The second can't be fixed easily. When in the USMC I nearly had a terrible accident and it would have been my fault completely. It was early in my infantry training and I was simply not paying attention as i should have been. When the problem was "gently" pointed out to me I nearly got sick to my stomach realizing that I could easily have killed someone. It wasn't the gun's fault, it wasn't my fellow marine's fault. It was me. My fault. Far to many people don't pay attention to what they are doing and as you pointed out in your story, they don't even know they are bumping triggers or whatever. Take a new person to the range and hand them a semi-auto pistol and just watch how many errors they make that could cause a gun to fire and injure someone. That's why they need training first. Metal fatigues and parts break even when not abused, but if people treat the firearm as it should be treated, MOST, perhaps not all but MOST, injuries can be avoided. Curtis | |||
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The newer trigger is quite a bit differant than the early ones. The most recent version blocks the trigger AND seperates the engagement. However, it is very easy for people trying to get sub 3lb triggers to adjust it to a point where the trigger spring will not reliably reset the trigger and then AD's will happen very easily. That is not Remington's fault however. The person adjusting the trigger must do it properly. All that being said, I think remington has and continues to have TERRIBLE QC for a number of years now just like the Winchesters the last few years of New Haven. I guess that's what lean manufacturing means: cheaper junk with less concern as to the quality! Curtis | |||
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Mauser did it in 1892 not 1898! Not sure about the 1888 rifles. There is a reason I love old Mausers. | |||
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I stand corrected.....and I knew someone would correct me!  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I don't mean to be rude but I was taught from a very young age to never point a firearm in any direction that you do not want a bullet to go. Assuming all these accidental discharges were truly weapon failures, who in their right mind points a loaded firearm at another person or rests their chin over the muzzle. If these few careless individuals had practiced proper firearms safety in the first place than the weapons failures would not have caused any injury. I own and shoot Remington rifles. One is an original 1962 m700 with the trigger adjusted to about 3 lbs and I have never experienced an accidental discharge nor do I know anyone who has. What I do not want to see is dummy disclaimers that read, "Don't rest your head against muzzle for accidental discharge may cause serious injury or death" or worse, all gun manufacturers revert back to 10 pound military triggers. If Remington is having a trigger issue it is not a chronic one and the media is making more out the issue than what really exists. I say practice proper gun handling and all negative outcomes will be avoided. Captain Finlander | |||
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A guy once brought a Smith Mod 29 into my shop saying it had almost blown his head off. Apparently he was out with some friends to do some hunting and he pulled it out of the holster and "it just fired!" Well that is impossible on double action, so he had a cocked and loaded 44mag in his holster with a target trigger and then for some reason was showing it off to his friends by pointing it in a direction that was roughly near his head. Come to find out he had just inherited the gun and had taken no time to familiarize himself with the gun or to find out that it had been modified to have a 2.5lb SA trigger. He had no sense and acted foolishly. He wasn't aware of what his hands were doing and bumped a light trigger with his finger and caused it to fire. Is that S&W's fault? Curtis | |||
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Note that it said, "dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap" Also note that it says the rifle can fire "when the safety is released, bolt is closed or when the bolt is opened". That may be how a guy gets the bolt shooting back into his eye when he opens the bolt. . | |||
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Every single fatality by a gun shot!  Seriously .....you should read the very old story in Readers' Digest from the 1960s. This guy went fishing & decided to shoot at a buoy with a 303 rifle. Many months later a detective came & visited him for chat. It turns out that one bullet bounce off the water and headed into the sky & then towards town. A woman driver was on a highway and suddenly she started veering off to one side and she crashed on the side. The car behind her was a cop's. They found the woman in a drowsy and incoherent state. She died shortly. At postmortem they were confused until they found a small pink hole behind a ear. Then they found the bullet. When they checked the car, they found the rear window was down & the trajectory of the bullet was from the back - a freak - a moving car on a highway miles away & through an open window. The conclusion was that if the window was up the bullet might have cracked the glass but not penetrated the glass ....the energy was so low. The detectives spent a long time trying to figure out how the bullet could have come from the sea.... The sad part was that the guy used to know the woman as she used to live near him some years earlier! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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The bullet that killed Marquel Peters wasn't falling. It was on a ballistic trajectory, as noted in your link; "A ballistics expert with the Georgia State Crime Lab estimated the gun to be a AK-47 assault rifle, fired 3-5 kilometres away at an angle of 30 degrees." | |||
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I call  on that. How on earth could this detective know where this bullet came from & that this guy was sitting in that spot at the time?Many R-D stories that were posted as fact were fiction. | |||
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I know my reply is not as on topic as it should be since this topic is an exposure of Remington failed practices. But besides the obvious: keep the muzzle down in a safe direction, keep your finger off the trigger, etc. all of which I hope are common sense/safety issues we are all hopefull taught from day one...what are some mechanical alternatives without exposing a Remington rifle to Remington? Would purchasing an after market trigger assy be a viable alternative and have it installed? Back in the 50's and early 60's my family were devout WD-40 folks! It was the wonder lube. If it needede lubing it got WD-40. (I changed my thinking decades ago.) However, after reading the posts here on dirty triggers, etc. I am very cognizant of some issues. I would love to know how to properly clean and lube the trigger assy on either a Remington or after market trigger? 'I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.' | |||
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manufacturing scrap" It is always a good idea to take any firearm and give it a good cleaning inside and out whether you buy it second hand or new. You would be amazed at the crap I have found inside rifles and pistols fresh from the manufacturer. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Excellent point, BT. Not only from a safety point but errant wood and metal chips and such can play hob with your accuracy. BTW, I've fooled around with various M700s because of other post. I've never been able to get a M700 to fire out of battery. How did that happen? Aim for the exit hole | |||
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The way I deal with M700s is to replace Trigger, Stock, and Barrel with Jewell, MacMillan, and Lilja in that order. Resulting slightly modified rifle is totally reliable and to say the least, super accurate! To bring my post on topic, I will say I have never had an unintended ignition of any kind.  -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
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I am always a little skeptical of ADs that are "blamed on the gun". Having been a firearms instructor at an SO for 10 years here are some interesting stats: Issued Duty S&W 66 - No ADs for 10 years, trigger pull approx 11 lbs Optional Duty Weapon S&W 4006 1 AD 4 years gun was in single action mode Issued Duty Weapon Glock 22 7 ADs in two years trigger pull 5.5 lbs. Hmmm...all these guns seem to go off when you pull the trigger. The Glocks aren't unsafe...they just don't forgive stupidity. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The readers digest story sounds like bullsh*t...a 303 round falling from the sky would not make what a ME would call a small "small pink hole." Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I recall reading the story. Performed a web search, someone else posted that the title of the story was "Shot in the Dark". http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi...ic;f=92;t=000302;p=1 | |||
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My 40Xs have had the safeties removed. My 700s only get a round in the chamber when I am going to fire a shot into a paper target or an animal. If I follow these rules I don't have any problems. Andy We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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One day I was driving my Toyota Prius and had unintended acceleration; luckily my Remington 700 was in the car and it went off on accident as well, killing the car and stopping it dead. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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yes, muzzle control is something that will always prevail no matter how a safety fails, but people make mistakes and sometimes forget. If there is an issue with the safety, it should be taken care of. if the guy was looking towards the barrel when unloading, bad on him, but that safety functioning could have saved his life. Oh I do remember seeing a news story of a bullet coming down from a shot fired in the sky and killing someone. I'm sure it's extremely rare and the bullet would have to not tumble down or land point first, but It has happened. | |||
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as a matter of fact....they once produced a rifle with a three position safety....we called it the 1917 Enfield and after that they made it as the Remington M-30 NEITHER ONE OF THESE HAS A THREE POSITION SAFTY VERITAS ODIUM PARIT | |||
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The model 725 had a three-position safety. http://www.remington.com/produ...ction/model-725.aspx ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Wellllll....., I FINALLY found the source of all this total 100% pure bologna "doesn't know spit about firearms - belk". Good gosh folks, the LAST time this fool was around was when he "sold himself" to CBS to do an attempted Trash job on Remington. Now he has sold his worthless trash to CNBC and apparently fourbore saw about it somewhere else. If you actually know anything about firearms and ask belk enough questions, you will realize he knows as much about them as obummer does about reducing spending. Super pitiful and Super pathetic!!! | |||
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