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Originally posted by starmetal:

We all get hot at times. Backing away for awhile is a good thing.

I haven't gotten to my records yet. I have alot of things going on at home. Most are of the repair type..had some disappointing problems with the heating system (and this is a pretty new house, to boot the heating system has been replaced once already!!!!!!) then a flashing leak at the chimney, failure of the hot water tanks, etc...you put a curse on me Larry?

Okay, off the top of my head the 7.62x39 out of the 20 inch AR15 barrel was over 2000 fps. To answer your question about your 1875 fps load it's in "your" rpm threshold. Say if mine was 2100 fps that would still be in too. I don't have a lube problem with the 312-155 in my Yugo SKS and actually really don't in the AR15. Again off the top of my head the 6.5 velocity is somewhere around 2100 to 2400 fps out a 20 inch barrel and that has a 1 in 8 twist, so you can figure the R's for it.

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by starmetal:

We all get hot at times. Backing away for awhile is a good thing.

I haven't gotten to my records yet. I have alot of things going on at home. Most are of the repair type..had some disappointing problems with the heating system (and this is a pretty new house, to boot the heating system has been replaced once already!!!!!!) then a flashing leak at the chimney, failure of the hot water tanks, etc...you put a curse on me Larry?

Okay, off the top of my head the 7.62x39 out of the 20 inch AR15 barrel was over 2000 fps. To answer your question about your 1875 fps load it's in "your" rpm threshold. Say if mine was 2100 fps that would still be in too. I don't have a lube problem with the 312-155 in my Yugo SKS and actually really don't in the AR15. Again off the top of my head the 6.5 velocity is somewhere around 2100 to 2400 fps out a 20 inch barrel and that has a 1 in 8 twist, so you can figure the R's for it.

Starmetal

Me, put a curse on you? Come on, it's you guys that believe in witchcraft. I'm the guy the quote scientific facts Sounds like you been having fun around the old homestead though!

I know my loads in the 9.5" twist of the Russian SKS and the Mini MkX are right where they should be for best accuracy (in the RPM threshold, where else ). When you get to your records let us know the actual velocity of both your loads for the AR and the twist of the 7.62 AR. Then we can discuss the facts of the matter.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by starmetal:

Well I know the twist of both, like I said the 6.5 is 1 in 8 and the 7.62 barrel being American made is 1 in 10. The Yugo SKS is a faster twist.

I don't need to have this much fun around the house at this age. When young in a sadistic kind of way I'd love it because it would give me something to do..something challenging, especially if I haven't done that particular repair before.

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Originally posted by starmetal:

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Originally posted by SR4759:

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Well we know how precise and accurate your tests are so that's conclusive then that you find no "advantage" to it.

Well I have my friend, that's what helped my 6.5 Grendel and 7.62x39 AR get good groups.

How's it feel to have egg on your face? Read it and weep, you said it...no advantage, you tested it, gets dirt on it.

Starmetal,
Are your conclusions based on statistically valid sample sizes?

Yes,why yes they are. In fact the DuPont ballistics lab in Richmond, Va ran them.

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
Gibson, you and your twin Pat are real pieces of work. If you can snooker somebody into believing your BullShit, you berate them and write long winded diatribes. To bad you let what you know get in the way of learning something new. I'm sure your reply will be just awesome...............Hee hee

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Originally posted by idabull:
45 2.1: Whatever his reply might be,I'm sure it won't be quite as awesome as your post on this forum 5 Jan 07,17:16 board time. Idabull

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
Gibson, you and your twin Pat are real pieces of work. If you can snooker somebody into believing your BullShit, you berate them and write long winded diatribes. To bad you let what you know get in the way of learning something new. I'm sure your reply will be just awesome...............Hee hee

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Originally posted by starmetal:
Larry, get away from that catfight and get back to the good stuff. Okay the velocity for the 7.62x39 out of my AR15 20 inch barrel (which by the has a .3095 groove with a 10 twist) is 2195 fps. The 6.5 Grendel out of 20 inch barrel with .2639 groove with an 8 twist is 2347 fps. Now the 6.5 is out of your ballpark, I don't think the 7.62 is, can't remember your upper limit. The 7.62 doesn't have enough boiler room, but velocity wise 2195 fps isn't such a wimpy load for a 155 gr bullet. The 7mm-08 with a 135 gr Lee out of an 18.5 inch barrel with .284 groove and a 9.5 twist was 2647 fps, but originally was 2710 fps with the same accuracy. I wanted to have as close as possible to 200,000 rpm. As you can calculate that is around 200084 rpm. AT the 2710 fps it's 205389 fps.

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by starmetal:
Larry, get away from that catfight and get back to the good stuff. Okay the velocity for the 7.62x39 out of my AR15 20 inch barrel (which by the has a .3095 groove with a 10 twist) is 2195 fps. The 6.5 Grendel out of 20 inch barrel with .2639 groove with an 8 twist is 2347 fps. Now the 6.5 is out of your ballpark, I don't think the 7.62 is, can't remember your upper limit. The 7.62 doesn't have enough boiler room, but velocity wise 2195 fps isn't such a wimpy load for a 155 gr bullet. The 7mm-08 with a 135 gr Lee out of an 18.5 inch barrel with .284 groove and a 9.5 twist was 2647 fps, but originally was 2710 fps with the same accuracy. I wanted to have as close as possible to 200,000 rpm. As you can calculate that is around 200084 rpm. AT the 2710 fps it's 205389 fps.

Ya know I find only one use for cats and to associate 45 2.1 with cats is a real insult to the cats. However, I will gladly get back to our discussion.

Your 7.62 load is pushing 157,000 RPM and the 6.5 is 213,000 RPM. The 7.62 is not "out of my ballpark" as I pushed the "ill fitting" 311291 to a higher velocity/RPM with good accuracy. As I have repeaidly said; "the RPM threshold is not a limit". Thus it can be pushed, you just have to know how to do it and be will ing to take the steps is all. As to the really fantastic group shot with the 6.5; can you do that all the time? I've shot some pretty good groups that were anomolies as has everyone else. Can you shoot 5 consecutive 5 shot groups for us at 100 yards? Or how about 2 consecutive 10 shot groups? You know the subject of consistent accuracy has always been one of the requirements not just one good group. That was why Dan made his contest to be 5 consective 5 shot groups at 100 yards. Dan knew that many shoot a "lucky" group now and then. No one collected one of his moulds.

You may have something there so complete an objective accuracy test for us and then we can discuss it. One other question; Is that your "best accuracy" with that rifle or does the "best accuracy" still come at a lower velocity/RPM?

Now, that is not "spin" or anything else. I am simply asking questions. I will not make any observation based on one group on this thread the same as I've not done on any thread. Show us consistant best accuracy that is repeatable then we shall discuss whether or not it is "out of my ball park". If you could provide us with the correct definition of the RPM threshold you would understand that.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by idabull:
45 2.1: Whatever his reply might be,I'm sure it won't be quite as awesome as your post on this forum 5 Jan 07,17:16 board time. Idabull

Idabull

I plum forgot about that "entertaining thread"

So 45 2.1 has "all the dirt" on everyone over at Cast Boolits eh? Gee, I wonder what "dirt" he's got on me? Could it be that I'm a proponant of the RPM threshold? OOOoooohhhh, I'm scared now....think he'll tell anyone? Might ruin my reputation

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
..... Still having language difficulties are you Spin.

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
..... Still having language difficulties are you Spin.

Sometimes you have to lower yourself down to the others level and use language they understand. Glad to see you understood the message.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
Originally posted by Pat I.:

Well since the first stone was cast......

Thanks for calling me Larry's twin. If you've have ever seen him in person he's a combination of Clark Gable and Paul Newman with the manliness of John Wayne, quite the looker and a real he man's man. Sounds like he's your boyfriend Pat. Hero worship and all....you got his picture on your nightstand or you visit him regular?

What's wrong sweetheartMy my, now we know what you like, don't we. don't like it when you get what you've been dishing out for years?? Not quite used to people not backing down from your BOLD font?? Well guess what, as you would and have said on numerous occasions...too bad.

So here's the bottom line pal. You want to knock off the bullshit and start treating me like you expect to be treated we'll get along fine. Your the one who started this long ago on a heat treating thread. Practice what you preach
Pat Iffland

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
..... Still having language difficulties are you Spin.

Sometimes you have to lower yourself down to the others level and use language they understand. Glad to see you understood the message.

Larry Gibson

Well, you see Spin, most everyone has trouble understanding you. Your stance on things changes when the wind blows (and thats when you open your mouth and start jabbering).

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Originally posted by Pat I.:

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
Originally posted by Pat I.:

Well since the first stone was cast......

Thanks for calling me Larry's twin. If you've have ever seen him in person he's a combination of Clark Gable and Paul Newman with the manliness of John Wayne, quite the looker and a real he man's man. Sounds like he's your boyfriend Pat. Hero worship and all....you got his picture on your nightstand or you visit him regular?

What's wrong sweetheartMy my, now we know what you like, don't we. don't like it when you get what you've been dishing out for years?? Not quite used to people not backing down from your BOLD font?? Well guess what, as you would and have said on numerous occasions...too bad.

So here's the bottom line pal. You want to knock off the bullshit and start treating me like you expect to be treated we'll get along fine. Your the one who started this long ago on a heat treating thread. Practice what you preach
Pat Iffland

Wrong again.....what's that name again? Tonite you're Binky. Wrong again Binky. You (We or Others depending where you stand in a conversation and how many other people you've managed to drag into it) started well before that. I guess you don't remember all the times you started about me being a member of the CBA, or how I should get out and do it, or my very favorite of all how my METHODOLOGY wasn't up to it. Must have gotten a dictionary for Christmas that year.

Like I said last time, knock off the smart ass know it all bullshit with me and we'll get along fine. You'd think that by now a guy that's been slammed as many times as you have on that forum would learn to think a little bit before he started typing

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:

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Originally posted by Pat I.:

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:
Originally posted by Pat I.:

Well since the first stone was cast......

Thanks for calling me Larry's twin. If you've have ever seen him in person he's a combination of Clark Gable and Paul Newman with the manliness of John Wayne, quite the looker and a real he man's man. Sounds like he's your boyfriend Pat. Hero worship and all....you got his picture on your nightstand or you visit him regular?

What's wrong sweetheartMy my, now we know what you like, don't we. don't like it when you get what you've been dishing out for years?? Not quite used to people not backing down from your BOLD font?? Well guess what, as you would and have said on numerous occasions...too bad.

So here's the bottom line pal. You want to knock off the bullshit and start treating me like you expect to be treated we'll get along fine. Your the one who started this long ago on a heat treating thread. Practice what you preach
Pat Iffland

Wrong again.....what's that name again? Tonite you're Binky. Wrong again Binky. You (We or Others depending where you stand in a conversation and how many other people you've managed to drag into it) started well before that. I guess you don't remember all the times you started about me being a member of the CBA, or how I should get out and do it, or my very favorite of all how my METHODOLOGY wasn't up to it. Must have gotten a dictionary for Christmas that year.

Like I said last time, knock off the smart ass know it all bullshit with me and we'll get along fine. You'd think that by now a guy that's been slammed as many times as you have on that forum would learn to think a little bit before he started typing

Your language could improve quite a bit, considering your asking for some respect. You get what you put out, you need to learn that it seems.

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Originally posted by Pat I.:
Yes it is, especially when he used the same words in earlier posts in this very thread. I'm not looking for respect from anyone, especially someone without the stones to use their real name. I just want to be able to post something here or anywhere else without some know it all breaking an ankle to infuse some nonsensical horse shit without even taking the time to read what I wrote.

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Originally posted by idabull:
45 2.1: Got along fine without needing to know your "name"--If you,Bob and the other members of the Bob,Jim,and Joe chorus all posted "given names"who that doesn't already know you,would believe what they read??? I'm not the one wanting someone else to post their name. Calm down some or you'll twist your shorts and then someone might go looking to find if/when any of you had shot in a registered match in any discipline ?? Sounds just like what Pat wants to look up, doesn't it

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Originally posted by 45 2.1:

Sarcasm it wasn't.

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Originally posted by Pat I.:Being able to recognize sarcasm is an art form reserved for the more intelligent segment of the population, did you (and others) recognize it or not?

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:
45 2.1 Why thank you, that's the nicests thing you've ever said about me. Nice to know you think Pat's description of me ("he's a combination of Clark Gable and Paul Newman with the manliness of John Wayne, quite the looker and a real he man's man") is not sarcasm. You delude yourself, again. You must agree I do cut a fine figure of a man. A nacissistitic statement if i've ever heard one. You've provided a good laugh for us all and shown your true colors. You and Pat have a good time together on your getaways.

To late dude, the secrets out; you really like me but your envy gets in your way.Hahahahahahahaha, best laugh of the day. Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by idabull:
45 2.1: Hard to believe that anyone who is familiar with your "career "would waste their time looking for any record of your appearance in a registered match in any discipline..because there is always the wind to blame..and it is for certain not intended as sarcasm.. Onceabull

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~!! I was here on this forum when you signed in,and expect to be be here when you are gone. Idabull

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Originally posted by Pat I.:
YAAAAAWN

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by Pat I.:
YAAAAAWN

I was hoping we could get back to a disussion of the RPM threshold. Starmetal, 45 2.1 and swheeler have failed to provide the correct definition of it so far. Perhaps they would like to add the correct definition(?) and we can proceed. Swheeler did provide his own limited idea of what it was but I think they need to post the correct definition so we all then know what it is we are really discussing.

Larry Gibson