Thanks for the kind words, KB. I suspect my patients over the years may feel a bit differently but so be it. Yes, I asked for a refund for the Dale Carnegie course since you mentioned it. Regardless, I refuse to suffer fools gladly, and goldie is at the top of my list for reasons obvious to most on this great forum.

KB: Wow!

I never thought you would make it into a question of social problems, good reasons for abortions and the importance of using condoms.

You seem like a really interesting, thinking person.

Now I really don't have time to follow this thread, but I'll be around.

Take Care.

Well, I'm glad we got that settled.....I think....

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
KB: Wow!

I never thought you would make it into a question of social problems, good reasons for abortions and the importance of using condoms.

You seem like a really interesting, thinking person.

Now I really don't have time to follow this thread, but I'll be around.

Take Care.

Goldeneye,
Now don't run offt like that. You started it. The main thing about this forum is that sniper - hit and run doesn't gain any respect. It's ok to express opinion, but it works best if you really know what you are talking about. Opinion is just seldom enough. Ok, so you'll be around? Maybe we can have a nice debate sometime.

I think I get your meaning with the comment about social problem, and abortion and condoms. Your humor is just a subtle as Norton's.

While on the subject, talking about brutal, etc., I can't think of anything more brutal than abortion. Hunting hogs with dogs and a knife is nothing on the scale of brutal compared to abortion, IMO. But, we don't want to go there in this discussion - do we. AIDS is brutal too.

You are right about my thinking. Many would say - too much - and I agree. Interesting - hopefully. But as many have seen, I can get a bit wound up at times. So, I'm practicing moderation in writing. Isn't it obvious?

You Take care as well.

KB

Norton,

Thanks for being gracious, and allowing me to have a little fun. Those on-line charm school lessons really worked for ya, eh? They worked for me too.

KB

Here's a picture of a Hoonah Fjord Dog. We have been attempting to capture the young ones, and train as catch dogs for the elusive and giant Alaska Island wild hog. We haven't had the population run amuck here as it has elsewhere, probably because the wild Fjord Dogs are out there, doing a good job. But there have been numerous problems, not to mention finding the hogs.

First there is the capture of the cubs, as the mothers protest too much, and get rather bitey. Then keeping one in captivity has been a problem, not to mention keeping them fed, and certainly not because they are antisocial or anything like that. They love being scratched behind the ear - try it and you'll see. And the bastards are rather slugish in the winter. They prefer to poo in the woods or right in the middle of the road, and that first poo of the year, in early spring, is really something to liven up your organic garden - wofff. They are very hard to leash train. Also, once these guys catch something, they don't want to give it up. Talk about hard mouth. Wow. They have bad breath too. Then there is the problem of team work. These guys ain't team players, but so far we've needed only one. It seems that maybe the knife or spear is optional, for this method of hunting.

However, I'm sure ya'll are interested in the progress reports, so I'll keep you posted.

KB

Well, you know the marginal product is pretty diminishing by now....I've said what I wanted on the subject and nothing new is under the sun.

Abortion....I don't have anything to say about it really...all weak economies benefit from abortions and the use of condoms, but I guess your god really would not approve of that as a legitimate reason....saving increases...

Around here the question is not a question so to speak...

I really don't think brutal is the right word.
Yes it has a great impact but I think there is a lack of brutality...



If you wish to decrease the number of abortions in the U.S provide the teenagers with condoms.

I think that teens in Sweden have sex earlier than teens in the US but despite that, the amount of teens in the US who are pregnant seems very much larger. Yes, this research was totally empirical and I don't have any facts to provide.

Take a look at your high schools.
How many seniors are pregnant in the US?

In Sweden? Never seen one in my life...
In the U.S i think it was at least 4 when I graduated.

But I suppose it has to do with the cuhrch right?

Do't give em condoms because they are not supposed to have sex, and if they have sex we no nothing until she looks like a ballon right?

But I guess we should keep religion out of it too....it is so confusing...

Oh, regarding your small bears..around here we play with em when we steal their blueberries
..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...7eKo&feature=related

Yea, Yea, it's a common known fact that teenagers in the US are idiots with raging harmones, and no idea of how or why to use condoms. But that has little to do with hog hunting. Besides, I don't get into studying the sex habits of teens. I'm far more interested in hunting.

I liked the u-tube video. Damn, Swedes are brave.

The associated video that poped up, about the bear attack on two hunters was something else. Turn up the sound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...imig&feature=related

I learned about hippotamus roulette right here on AR. Seems that it is a rite of passage or such practiced by the lads from some African tribe. They place themselves at night on a trail of the hippo, between the water and the feeding areas. I think the goal is to survive the night, and in the morning they are somehow transformed into a man. Perhaps there is more to the story, but you get the image. Perhaps it's a gene pool cleansing technique - only the strong survive, and only the smart figure a way out. It's unfortunate that the unborn babies don't have the same opportunity for survival. They have nowhere to run.

This new knowledge has prompted me to offer a new brown bear hunting method here in Alaska, or simply a bear encounter of the primal kind. It hasn't caught on yet, because of the lack of referrals and word-of-mouth. It requires no guiding license for me to provide this service, but the intrepid hunter needs a hunting license, and bear tag, and it is highly recommended that he get his affairs in order before the hunt. It's sort of like the hippo roulette, in that we provide the bacon grease to saturate oneself in, and point the way to a likely streamside bear trail. The idea is that the "hunter" place himself on the trail, at night, preferably a full moon, and his weapon is his choice - gun, spear, knife, or whatever. Or you could go naked, and talk your way out of an encounter - your choice. It probably helps if you speak Swedish. Dogs are ok too, especially the small yappy kind, which serves as good bait. As an additional service, in the event that we can't find you in the morning, we will make a contribution in your name to the Treadwell Memorial Fund, as a tribute to your joining the ranks of the greatest self-destruct artists of all time.

It's all new, so we are not yet booked up. For those more primal types interested, PM me for further info. We require payment in advance. Swedes and especially rednecks are welcome, and encouraged to bring friends. No discrimination here, we are advocates of offering equal opportunity to prove fitness to continue to populate the gene pool, and engage in primal sport too.
KB

I have no dog in this fight, but after reading the rather long thread I have several observations:

Yes, it is very hard, if not impossible, to convince someone else that what they are doing, while perfectly acceptable to themselves, is offensive to others.

Yes, at one time humans used bows and arrows, spears, swords, sharp sticks, etc., to kill. Indians ran buffalo over cliffs and retrieved the dead animals for food.

Animals feel fear, whether you believe it or not.

Whitworth, you said something about occupational hazard... for who? I suggest the humans go in and try to take the animals one on one instead of sacrificing another animal. To me, sending a dog in to "capture" a hog is no different from sending two dogs into a ring to fight to the death, and in this country it is illegal in most states if not all.

And lastly, Norton, you have a filthy mouth, or at least a filthy keyboard, and since the keyboard only types what the mind thinks, you have a filthy mind. Insulting does no good at all to anyone and degrades this forum.

I am done.

quote:

Originally posted by Doubless:
Whitworth, you said something about occupational hazard... for who? I suggest the humans go in and try to take the animals one on one instead of sacrificing another animal. To me, sending a dog in to "capture" a hog is no different from sending two dogs into a ring to fight to the death, and in this country it is illegal in most states if not all.
I am done.

That was a bit on the self righteous side, don't you think Doubless? I have hunted with dogs -- bay dogs (hounds) and not with catch dogs. Sometimes they get cut, sometimes the handlers get cut -- it happens. No one is happy or in the mood to celebrate when a dog gets hurt, and most dog owners that I know take almost better care of their dogs then their own families. So yes, it is an occupational hazzard and a calculated risk -- but one always assumes some sort of risk when they hunt. Goldeneye was suggesting that hunting with dogs was cruel as the boar gets hurt and I was making the point that the dogs are often the ones who get hurt. I was in no way taking a cavalier attitude towards the safety of the dogs........

Now, how in the hell did we get on the topic of abortion and teen pregnancy??

How in the hell did some of these self-righteous asshats wander into the hog forum? Absolutely amazing. I wish they'd offer another activity that these dogs would enjoy more.

And a Texan worried about a few cuss words.....jeez.

Worried, Norton? Not in the slightest... just have enough command of the language to be able to speak without cursing.

And yes, that was said "self-righteously", strictly for your amusement.

KB:

Yes we've had a few incidents with bears here lately. I guess that is part of the deal if you choose to have em.

Luckily we can hunt them, hell we can hunt them with dogs. But of course not the kind that bites em.

You know around here we hunt about everything with dogs. Bear, moose, roe deer, fallow deer, red deer, badger, foxes, hares, lynx etc.

We simply love to hunt with dogs.

You know we use em here to recover wounded animals too.

I believe that is illegal in at least some states? Most?


I'm really not into the primal stuff. It sounds like a lot of people needs to prove that they are men in Africa as well as in the US?

I personally don't think I need to prove anything to anyone. I know I am not gay.If someone thinks I am gay, hell what do I care?

If men like men so what? What do I care?
I have more important stuff to care about, like hunting.

The only people that really need to prove something are those that have something to fear.

Fear, now that is a good reason to do stupid things.

Goldeneye, I would like to keep this simple. So, I just won't respond to some of the diversions you mentioned.

I'm kinda curious though - about two things, actually, and I don't mean to offend. Is your first language English? Are you a teenager?

Since you introduced some videos from youtube, I tried to find some good videos on hog hunting with dogs, and spears or knives, but apparantly those participants of the sport are not skilled with the camera. So, I quickly grew bored with the search. Then I looked at some bear attack videos, but it's late and I figured maybe they would give me nightmares, so I gave that up too.

But then I happened upon something interesting on the subject of primal hunters and spears. It's a series of videos, actually a film, broken down into four parts. It was made in the early 1950s. The first one is a little tedious and slow, but the other three get better. It's somewhat long, perhaps 7 to 9 minutes each part, but I found it interesting. I think others will too.

Instead of tagging onto this post, I'm gonna make a new post for this one. I've about had enough of this discussion relating to pig hunting with dogs, etc., etc., etc.

Here's the link, for those who may be interested. It's rather brutal in part, but it's real. http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/9851078621

KB

quote:

Now, how in the hell did we get on the topic of abortion and teen pregnancy?? Confused

Thank you

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye

You know around here we hunt about everything with dogs. Bear, moose, roe deer, fallow deer, red deer, badger, foxes, hares, lynx etc.


I'm really not into the primal stuff. It sounds like a lot of people needs to prove that they are men in Africa as well as in the US?

I personally don't think I need to prove anything to anyone. I know I am not gay.If someone thinks I am gay, hell what do I care?

If men like men so what? What do I care?
I have more important stuff to care about, like hunting.

The only people that really need to prove something are those that have something to fear.

Fear, now that is a good reason to do stupid things.

Why such a harse judgemental attitude?

The hunters, the dogs and the hog all get some good excitement before the hog's death. The end result for the hog is the same whether he is sniped or stabbed during a fight.

If we knew our death was imminent, most of us would choose to go out fighting rather than being whacked, probably the hog, too.

At least here in the States, most homosexuals seem to tend to be effeminate and anti-gun, and they would be in danger around most hunters.

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:The only people that really need to prove something are those that have something to fear.

Fear, now that is a good reason to do stupid things.

And without fear, there is no bravery.......

Damn, I'm sounding like a philosopher......

Again, not all dog hunters use catch dogs that bite and hang on to the hog.

KB: No, English is not my first language.

However I've watched som porn throughout the years (that is women penetrated by men for those of you who really seem interested)
so I guess I've learnt a couple of words at least....


SG: I really did not mean to sound harse. Again Eng. is not my first language...

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning about getting some excitement before the hogs death.

What other types of acitivites can you justify with that sort of reasoning?

But I guess you re not serious so I'll drop it.


Personally I'd rather be shot than molested and ripped apart by dogs, but I guess we are all diffferent....


Oh, your god!

Why are the homos so intresting to you guys?

You talk about men and gays all the time.

What's up with that seriously?

To much wrestling in high school?

Whit: I know. We use dogs all the time for boars but we want them to make em move, or stand still. Bay???

Not bite. Actually when we have to sharp dogs we put on a thing, don't know what it is called so the dags can't bite.

It is not fun to have fast dogs killing the small boars..........screamin boars....not for me..

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
KB: No, English is not my first language.

However I've watched som porn throughout the years (that is women penetrated by men for those of you who really seem interested)
so I guess I've learnt a couple of words at least....

Now Goldeneye, dog-gone-it, (that's English slang for your edification) you have again given more info than I want to know. In case you don't know, they make videos especially for studying and learning other languages, including English. There is no need to watch porn movies as a method of learning English. But it's your choice.

Gentlemen, participants of this forum, I offer my apology, if appropriate. Again, I was thinking maybe this could be a real discussion - on the subject, but it seems I was wrong again. I may offer a heads-up thought, however. It seems as though this discussion has been "penetrated", so-to-speak. And if so, it's not worth discussion, and the finality is predictable. Also, I suggest good behavior, and careful words, because it's possible that we are dealing with a teen. Just a hunch.

KB

quote:

Originally posted by Kabluewy:

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
KB: No, English is not my first language.

However I've watched som porn throughout the years (that is women penetrated by men for those of you who really seem interested)
so I guess I've learnt a couple of words at least....

Now Goldeneye, dog-gone-it, (that's English slang for your edification) you have again given more info than I want to know. In case you don't know, they make videos especially for studying and learning other languages, including English. There is no need to watch porn movies as a method of learning English. But it's your choice.

Gentlemen, participants of this forum, I offer my apology, if appropriate. Again, I was thinking maybe this could be a real discussion - on the subject, but it seems I was wrong again. I may offer a heads-up thought, however. It seems as though this discussion has been "penetrated", so-to-speak. And if so, it's not worth discussion, and the finality is predictable. Also, I suggest good behavior, and careful words, because it's possible that we are dealing with a teen. Just a hunch.

KB

I too was going to suggest a more appropriate medium for language learning.....

Kabluey, I suspect you are right about the age of certain participants in this "discussion."

OK, I looked back at old posts, and it's unlikely that Goldie is a teen, but still, let's be polite. You never know who you're really talking to on the internet. Anonymity is no excuse for rudeness, crudeness, or being an idiot.

KB

pre-

Better to die in the arena with a sword in your hand and a slim chance of victory, than by quick decapitation IMO.
Some don't feel that way.

I was responding to your mention of homos.

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:

I too was going to suggest a more appropriate medium for language learning.....

Kabluey, I suspect you are right about the age of certain participants in this "discussion."

Unless, of course, it's body language, which is rather difficult to express over the internet.

The reasons I suspected the age as teen is because their focus is often harmonally driven, on sex issues, and generally scatter-brain, and lack of focus on the subject, etc. Of course, some adults are that way too. I may have even been guilty of that myself, from time to time. At the time, I was ok with it, but others may have found it annoying. I have a nephew who is that way, and he's been that way since about age 17. He's about 22 now, and I don't know if he's grown out of it yet, but I suspect not, since his case was bad.

KB

This is getting pretty deep. I guess you never know who you are talking to. I did not even know how to turn on a damn computer till I was 23.

KB: I think you are an undercover CIA agent in the cyber world.

quote:

Originally posted by mattyboy:

I did not even know how to turn on a damn computer till I was 23.

KB:
I think you are an undercover CIA agent in the cyber world.

Cool , and a lot more.

Now we have something in common. I didn't know how to turn on a computer either until I was in my 20s, but that's about the time they were invented.

I had forgotten where exactly Big Bend FL is, so I looked it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bend_(Florida)

I've re-alligned the satellite, now that I know where you are.

IMO, it's a very good place to be. I used to spend some time in Thomasville GA, and went to school in Valdosta, and fished out of Suwannee FL regularly, and on the river too, so North FL (from coast to coast) holds a special place in my fond memories. I really loved the area. I hunted deer, hogs, and squirrels there, but mostly successful with the squirrels. Good fishing too.

Regards,
KB

SG: The hogs we are talking about here are not gladiators you know...

However, just like gladiators they are forced to fight and die because some people find a pleasure in killing em.



By the way, do you in any way choose what animals you hunt or is it just random selection?

I mean do you kill females too or what's the deal?

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
because some people find a pleasure in killing em.

Such as yourself included, correct?

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
By the way, do you in any way choose what animals you hunt or is it just random selection?

I mean do you kill females too or what's the deal?

We kill each and everyone of them, since we have not figured out how to train the sows not to tear up the cow/corn fields... maybe when you get done watching your american porn movies you can work on that for us?

white: yes that is correct.

But I, still, do not let my dogs bite them etc...you know what I mean.

I see. so you really don't care if it is a sow or not.

The infants she leaves behind, do you send the dogs on em too when she is done or you let em starve to death or what?

You do know that the Sow control the hog population don't you?

By killing the sow the younger hogs will breed without control to a much larger extent. menaning that your corn fields will take much more damage.

Can you please go away. you are like a fly buzzing around my head. jeez!!

quote:

Now we have something in common. I didn't know how to turn on a computer either until I was in my 20s, but that's about the time they were invented.

Ok, I am not going to say you're old.........just wise

I am after hogs to stop crop and field damage so any method taken, or any size, they gotta go.

Next I guess you are gonna tell me that I need to check the sex on armadillos before I shoot them?

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
SG: The hogs we are talking about here are not gladiators you know...

However, just like gladiators they are forced to fight and die because some people find a pleasure in killing em.



By the way, do you in any way choose what animals you hunt or is it just random selection?

I mean do you kill females too or what's the deal?

Evidently you haven't hunted a lot of wild boar. I have been charged twice by pissed-off porcines and it will definitely get your attention. Gladiators no, but formidable foe nonetheless.

We kill them all as they are considered a nuisance here and they breed at a much higher rate than we can kill them.

quote:

Originally posted by whitebc:Next I guess you are gonna tell me that I need to check the sex on armadillos before I shoot them?

You mean you don't?

not yet, I am sure it is coming tho

Y'all still feel the need to politely convince this supposed hunter named goldeneye that there's a right and wrong way to hunt hogs?

"It" is an agitator and nothing more and, as someone mentioned above, is not open to dialogue since it's all about the hog's "feelings" to him.

It's OK to kill 'em with dogs as long as they don't bite 'em......it's OK to kill 'em on drives.....yeah, this asshat is worth listening to......amazing we've given "it" this much attention already.

white: For real...

Do you know anything about the animals you hunt?

If you kill the sow, the matriarch that controls the group of animals the hierachy will fall.

When it falls these animals will breed without control. When they do so, you will have a larger population than if you kept the sow alive.

Do you get it??????

You do not want the sow dead becauase it is contraproductive...

Wit: No, I don't know shit about hunting wild boars........

Norton: Hey you are on youtube!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSbh2MsxdNs

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:

Wit: No, I don't know shit about hunting wild boars........

Enough said.......

quote:

Originally posted by Goldeneye:
Wit: No, I don't know shit about hunting wild boars........

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Evidently........

Seriousy now, how much wild boar hunting do you really do? Seasonally? Once a year? Just curious. We don't have a season or any limits because our populations are growing at such a high rate. So, consequently, we hunt them year round. We have guys on this forum who have killed hundreds of them.