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If we can keep to the original thread and refrain from a bun fight it would be nice.


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Agree with Andrew
Saeed should have pissing match forum as well just for that Ha Ha

I think, anyone that was ever in any business , knows how tough downturns in economy can be.

I also can see, where outfitters in many " not so democratic " countries can be held hostage by trophy and other fees increases while business is down.

I definitely take my hat down for all you guys in Africa
Sometimes I can think of staying in business can be tough, but when I see what's going on in Africa, my glass is full no matter what

Keep up the good work, I'm coming...


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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . only scenario that I could envision that a game scout would be paid more than ~$100-150 would be if there was a "boo boo" that the game scout was being asked to overlook . . .


Like shooting a cow buff?
 
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fairgame

what more to speak

we have at some point/extent--- collectively--- run this issue to ground


Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
 
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doubleboy,

That is ridiculous. No safari operator should be telling you how much to give the game scout or anyone else for that matter unless you solicit his council on tipping. If the scout did a good job and was an asset to the hunt I would definitely give him a tip but not $800. on a 10 day buff I wouldn't give the whole crew minus the PH much more than that. Nothing like that has happened to me or any of my clients that I know of. This not common at all anywhere and you got hosed. Sorry!

Mark

Are you serious or what? I use the same game scouts,outfitters,services etc... as everyone uses.If I was told to pay the fellow 800 you can be sure it was not an isolated incident.

George- Sorry I have to call you up on this simply because we are the operator- we NEVER tell anyone how much to tip- we do advise if clients ask but always point out that if you decide to leave nothing that is quite fine as a tip is a tip and must be performance based. I can assure you no one has ever paid a game scout $800. I have confirmed with Rich your PH, Blake who was your appy, as well as Ray who was your camerman and no such thing happened.

I have also confirmed with Rich your Ph about his comments on ele bulls in the East and not having seen any tracks etc etc not surprisingly he says nothing was said. The same year you failed, not for lack of trying, we shot several good bulls. Sorry George one must simply stick to the truth.


George,

I don't know what happened to you but it seems your story and Buzz's are quite different. Regardless I stand by my statement that nobody should be telling a client to pay the game scout $800 on a 10 day buff hunt. They might suggest something like you said in the neighborhood of $100 but you are not ever required to tip anyone and it would seem that this is the CMS policy also.

Mark


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Mark:

You are right.

I think doubleboy was quoting George but not in the normal way.
 
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Larry,

Just went back and checked and you are right doubleboy was quoting George. I've corrected my above statement.

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Posts: 13145 | Location: LAS VEGAS, NV USA | Registered: 04 August 2002Reply With Quote
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The prices will automaticly regulate the demand/supply. Some operators has a known name and has reputable business which takes a looong time to create(lots of hard work,mistakes and errors in the beginning which cost). Like buying a gun, you expect a certain quality when buying a certain name. But regardsless of what you buy, the transaction must have some kind of tranparency so the consumer can view the premisses and what he buys. That isn´t always the case in the hunting/safari business. A price should reflect a volume, a quality and condition. However I do also reconize there is a difference in businessculture and businesslegalities from Africa to US/EU.
Here in Denmark the consumer is heavily protected with laws with required productinfo where in the US the consumer has less rights and there is less requirements to the industry to inform the consumer. In Africa with many countries all that stuff is not present and many african countries doesn´t have a tradition to protect consumers at all. Here everything is just about legal to sell so long the last sucker isn´t born yet.
In regards to all this , my last SA hunt the operator charged us R3000 per/night pro/persona for sleeping in a tent in a selfcatering camp. Did we pay?...freeking hell no!. We went to pay R200 per/night pro/persona. No more!.


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i have trashed wild africa enough already

now i am going to show you some


you did this mitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...2oc&feature=youtu.be


Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
 
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i have trashed wild africa enough already

now i am going to show you some


you did this mitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...2oc&feature=youtu.be


Your welcome Frank. It is your baby I just located the the video for you.

Would love to see it happen in my lifetime!

Keep us all posted if you see any positive movement on a new thread.
 
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On that Makuti hunt another odd thing that happened was that every time I was handed the Ruger from in back of the truck the rear sight leaf was down.That was a rented rifle that was sighted in or would only shoot bullseye with the 100yd leaf up.It was not easy to put the leaf down and no recoil would put it down.I thought someone was screwing with me in the back truck so that every day,2 or 3 times a day the rifle was handed to me with the leaf down even though I would make sure to put and leave it up.At the same time Ray was pissed that his camera was not working and he too believed someone had screwed with it.


George, please stop with this nonsense for f)&) sake
 
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It would be interesting to see what the carrying cost of lions is in places like Save and Bubye. From my very rough analysis and conversation I have heard that lions off take of buffaloes is more than the hunting quota.

Would make sense to cull the lions and increase the quota and reduce the price of buffalo hunts.

Since only males are hunted lions cost a lot in game lost - why I don't think you see non canned/chattle lions in SA - they hammer high dollar game.

Since no lions to US. I think it makes sense to increase buffaloes and decrease lions. Reduce price on buffalo hunts and sell more buffalo hunts.

I think unless outfitters start thinking more creatively - the price increase model of selling hunts is done. Maybe if oil comes back to $100 maybe the $$start flowing again.

Also would like to see outfitter focusing on reducing secondary cost - charter rates (maybe do group charters) and cutting the fat from the shipping, crating and clearing rate.

Mike
 
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think if you will about the carrying cost of elk in and around the yellowstone park

all in--- government administration and management expense

could be the wolf is eating pricy meat paid for by the taxed american

bet it's around 5000 us a pound

it would be a bit nasty to do an economic assessment

on the full absorption costing of the

park service
the fish and game
and the blm

it would be like watching old people

'''do what they were good at when they were young'''

it would just make you sick


Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
 
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when flipping back through the thread

i hit on a question

when you think about it we may have an interesting phenomena going on here

typical situation-- when price Rises ---is that the low pay scale customers depart the market and look for substitutions

what we have here in addition to some of that is --- is about 50-50 the high end or the premium clients are departing the market for fishing trips

it looks like this thing deserves some additional thought

at first blush it looks like we may have a structural problem here

something like a bad culture

in a corporation it would be a toxic culture or or or


Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
 
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Are you stradling saddle or fence?
I personally think, Africa is great place to hunt, there will always be bargains and expensive hunts
I'm OK with it, some are not and new blood is coming in


" Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins.
When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar.
Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan
PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move...

Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies...
Only fools hope to live forever
“ Hávamál”
 
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