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Here are the poachers themselves. I felt rather sorry for them, but perhaps one or two of them shall be hired as game scouts. This picture is a digital photo of a polaroid print. The trackers and game scouts and camp boys loved to get polaroids of themselves with game or at their jobs. Even the poachers smiled when they got a polaroid of themselves.  Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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I know nothing about lion but have heard that when the leader of a pride is replaced the new head of the pride kills all the cubs so that females will become fertile sooner and thus he can more rapidly spread his genes. If this is so, it suggests that killing male lions may have a much greater effect than killing other trophy animals. Is this the case in practice? Are most lions shot pride leaders or are they past their "use by" date, already having been ejected from the pride. I'd love to shoot a lion but would have reservations if I thought that a number of cubs would die as a result. A bit like "Shakari's" view of hunting female ele. mike | |||
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Mike, You're quite right. Each African country has it's own policy on Lion hunting (some don't have a policy at all!) but the generally accepted idea is to take a Lion that is either not holding a pride and has been ejected, is nomadic or to take a Lion(s) that is holding a pride that doesn't have young cubs and is liable to lose it anyway. - Latest ideas are to take these ones on a "rolling basis". The hunting company/team/PH will identify individual prides that are suitable and then line up maybe 2 clients to come in one after the other and take the (usually) two Lions holding a pride that meet that criteria...... Some safari companies (notably TGTS) and some scientists (Notably Craig Packer) have put together some very interesting papers etc to help identify and age Lions........ a lot of this hasn't been proven to work throughout Africa - just in individual locations such as Serengeti. -(IMO) some are accurate and some less so,  but that's the way scientific research goes - if it was easy, it would have been proved long ago! In Tanzania for example the minimum age requirement for a Lion is currently 6 years - the currently popular way of judging the age is by the colour of the nose...... personally, I don't think this should be used as the sole criteria -. I think one should take into account other factors such as width of head, mane development not only in length but also hairline across the forehead and other places, general musculature, behaviour and a few other factors........ however, that's a whole different subject. But we don't live in an ideal world and sometimes pride holding Lions will wander away from the women and kids and then one has to work out if he's been kicked out by other males of if he's just looking for some peace and quiet. - There's also factors such as are there plenty of Lions in the area or not and what to do if a pride holding Lion becomes a man eater, or potential man eater or camp worrier....... To say nothing of many other factors that may influence the PHs decision on what is and is not suitable for taking........ | |||
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Yea, factor in the client jumping up and down on the PH's head.  I can here shakari now " Sorry old chap, he's defiantly over six with that huge mane and all but this blokes holding a pride, best move along and see if we can spot that scraggly simba we seen the other day."  I guess in the real world you wouldn't let the client see that lion in the first place.  | |||
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Here are some picts of Palm Camp and an ele at Sable Camp     Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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And some Topi picts    Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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GunNut, since you chose to jump in here its clear you don't know what you are talking about. I cleared it up. Do a search and catch up.............JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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Great pics! | |||
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You know, a topi isn't the most impressive trophy, but to me it really makes me think of kigosi - those things are all over the place, along with reedbuck. And while there are plenty of buffalo and sable, you see the topi and reedbuck at all times of the day - everywhere. | |||
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What was the reason for the tents being put up that high on those poles? I have never seen them that high. Just curious. | |||
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JJ, Why the hostile "tone"? I was simply curious as to the nature of the issue which was cleared up for you. I was actually trying to say that if the agent and outfitter did the right thing it would be interesting to hear about. I was not criticizing you or anyone else. How am I supposed to know there were previous posts on the topic? I am relatively new to this website. Further I thought forums existed for folks to "jump in". I will never understand the hostility people exhibit in forums...especially with NO provocation whatsoever. All I said was:
What is your hostility about? I was simply noting that you complimented 2 guys (which is rare in forums) and was curious as to what they did to earn your praise. Maybe a polite referral to your previous posts would have been better than your rude reply. GN | |||
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Gunnut, 2 things. One.....I wanted to make sure you were really a new poster and not one of our split personalities who enjoy stirring the pot. Two.....I thought you ment me when you said people are quick to criticise, I mis-read that, my mistake. I had a hunt go bad for reasons no one involved have really been able to figure out. It just did. Wendell Reich, Licky Abdulla, Dale Harvey and Adam Clements worked it out and I ended up with a 44 and 46 inch buff on my free return hunt. But it got kinda stinky between hunts but it ended well. Sorry if I took your post in the wrong vein.........JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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LarryShores, I'm not sure of the reason they apprear to be highter than normal. The elevation was nice to catch the breeze and get a little above the tsetses and other bugs. There is also yearly flooding in the area, but I have no idea how high the water gets. Maybe Wendell or AnotherAZwriter knows. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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JJ, Thanks for the clarification. I think it's good when an agent/outfitter "makes it right". Good hunting. GN | |||
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I don't know why the tents are up high; perhaps for the breeze. It sure wasn't wet, that is for sure. | |||
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Last few Picts. old buff, unknownm sweet fruit tree, hanging bait,MaribouStorks at bone ground, saddlebillStork,Sausage Tree, spined and down.        Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Here's Hanging Bait  Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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hi very nice muzlle loader. which caliber it has?it seems it worked on the buffalu  Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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The poor fellows who got caught seemed pleased at getting their picture taken. I have no idea as to caliber on the muzzleloader. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Fantastic Leopard and some really nice old buffalo. Great Lions are taken here with monotonous frequency and the stringent policies that have been embraced in Tanzania will ensure that the Lion population is both healthy and increasing. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Not anymore since the New Consession holder (after TGTS) is overshooting the area. Enormous Poaching is also there. Seloushunter Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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All in all a heck of a great safari I would say. Well done Steve ! Dean is indeed a top notch PH and it looks like a pretty busy time for the skinners. Good job! Dave Fulson | |||
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 Excuse me, uh...ummm...is that a lion licking its lips? Just wonderin  | |||
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First of all congrats on a great sounding hunt and a beautiful leopard..... That said this guy spent a lot of time pimping his poacher gun...it is bedazzled!!.......maybe this gun should be featured in a thread aboug guns that are too gay for africa! Just kidding....  Great Pics!! 6x NFR Qualifier NFR Champion Reserve World Champion Bareback Rider PRCA Million Dollar Club 02' Salt Lake Olympic Qualifier and an all around good guy! | |||
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Steve, did you happed to notice any markings on the lock plate? The stock has been intently modified and is missing two if not three barrel bands. Judging from the iron fore end cap and butt plate, I'm guessing it's either American or Prussian. Cool pic and some excellent trophies. David Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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