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Addrhook, the copy right of Boddingtom's name only applies to use of it for a commercial venture, not to address him or write a post about him! Still Boddington has nothing to do with the ethics of hunting leopard with dogs. To the subject of dogs& cats: The hunting of any animal is fine as long as you take him legally, and take no more than what you are allowed, to regulate the population of that animal to conserve habitat, and the population of that species for continued existance of a healthy renewable resource. However, what is ethical is a personal thing, and if legal participating or not is a parsonal choice. Teh sembiotic relationship between man and dog for hunting is not unique. Many animals have simbionic relationships for hunting. In Mexico the badger is named "ALCOYOTE" because coyotes and badgers often are seen traveling together in Praire dog towns. The badger will start digging out one of the holes, and the P-dag will try to escape from another enterance,where the coyote will snagg him. Cattle egrets and Cape buffalo, oxpeckers, and all large animals all have this type of relationship. Man is nothing more than the smartest animal, and has use for many different animals to do things he isn't strong enough, or fast enough to do alone! That my friends is nature. Nature is neither right nor wrong, it just "IS"! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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MacD37, we are of the same idea on the ethics subject. the posting in question about Boddington. was due to the genitalman saying he had produce a video with Craigs name in the title. that was the copy right issue | |||
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I think they hunt them in Zimbabwe with dogs! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Gentlemen, Andrew Baldry is a professional hunter in Zambia and active in the hunting community, a member of the Professional Hunters Association of Zambia, and although I do not know Andrew, I have to assume he is not an Internet troll. Pretend you are in the hunting car, or sitting around the campfire with your PH who has thought a lot more on most topics Africa than we have or ever will, and although we may not agree with his opinion, understanding why he feels strongly a certain way can provide a wealth of insight. I’m just saying a little latitude may be in order. Andrew, welcome to the forum, it is great to have the participation of professionals such as yourself. We have member PH’s from most of the countries that we visit, but I believe you are the only active member from Zambia at the moment. I look fwd to your input, perspectives, questions, and hunt offers. There is a bit of an art form to posting on AR, and one needs to appreciate that others have different opinions and are every bit as passionate about their belief as you are yours, especially the "top 20" hot topics, many of which tend to divide the hunting community. All of these topics have been debated on the forum time and time again, which does not mean that they should not be brought up for discussion, especially by new members…just please understand that it won’t take much to trigger a swift response, especially if the group feels you are “trolling” (troll numbers have been up lately!) and/or have an ulterior motive. Also, please know that Craig is a member of this forum, many of us know him and/or respect his contribution to our sport, and while making humor I hope you can see that one must tread a little softer, unless one is looking to create controversy which I do not believe is your intent. Again, welcome to AR and I look fwd to your posts. Regards, Bill | |||
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Since the topic has been broadened to include hunting of ANY African big game with dogs, I would like to respond to that. I am a big fan of Rhodesian Ridgebacks, have owned several over the years. I have two right now. They are my favorite breed of dogs. They are a breed developed to hunt African Lions. That was pretty much their purpose. So, I would not agree that dogs have no place in the hunting of African big game. | |||
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Thanks MR for the information. Dark continent - I do not profess to be an expert and my post is neither about my prowess as a hunter but rather relating to what I think is wrong. Thanks for the tip about the pitchforks. Die Ou Jagter - I think you are confusing the hunting of vermin Leopard? The first paying safari hunted Leopard was with Selby, possibily Percival or someone else of this generation. Mad dog - suspect your bark is worse than your bite. You hounding or baiting me? ddrhook - never could master that so I decided to get married. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Still can't post your name or location? Ah, the anonymous are always so willing to speak their mind and profess their opinions Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Well said! This place is full of sycophantic elitist know it all's who just can't wait to thrash anyone that doesn't tow their line. It's to bad this could be a great site and I guess it is as long as you are a yes man and never have your own opinion. | |||
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the one i killed in Botswana( the Kalahari) chose to fight it out on the ground, then when we arrived, he changed his mind, knocked 2 dogs aside, and charged me. he dropped less than 10 feet of the gunbarrel from a load of SSG to the neck and upper chest. if i had been a half second slower, i would have been screwed. the memory of that hunt is a lot stronger than the 2 unsuccessful leopard hunts over bait in Zim and RSA. on the hunt before mine the bayed leopard charged and badly mauled one of the dog handlers before being blown off the man with a shotgun barrel stuck underneath the leopard's body were he had the handler penned down. don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I might recommend a book I have in my library by E.M. Shelley titled "Hunting Big Game with Dogs in Africa" It has lots of history on the subject for anyone who is really interested. | |||
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 I am hunting leopard with dogs in Zimb this year. i have hunted one 3 years ago over bait and tried on two other safaris. In spain I hunt in monteria, sometimes waiting and sometimes going with the dogs that prosecute the game. Everynow and then I am lucky and dogs grab a wild boar which i try to stub wiht my monteria knife. it is adrenaline in gallons. I go and hunt roe deer stalking and allways take my dog ( a teckle, "daschound") sometimes he tracks a roe deer. I sit down and wait, if I get lucky the roe deer will run in a circle and i will get a chance to shoot him. If I wound one he will help me to follow the blood spur and finish him quick if we are lucky. I love dogs and think they are part of our tradition "HUNTING". I am going to try leopard with dogs. I migth be wrong to do it, but is legal and I want to experience it, when I come back I will post here what I think about it. I am sorry if someone does not think I am doing the "correct" thing but this is what I feel I should do,experience,try or live. We are a vast community with lots of enemies, we can think different one from the other, but I am sure we have more in common than with the treehugers. take it easy, dicuss and have your own opinion but let the anger for our enemies. In Spain we need lots of help against the greenis( and our president that is destroing our country) any help is welcomeAND REMEMBER  HAPPY HUNTINGdiego | |||
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Bill C My initial title to this thread was to inject a bit of humour to the forum. Note there is no DVD regarding dogs and Boddington. Well there is the adult version but it does not star Craig and has nothing to do with hunting. The trouble is ethics is that the AR posts condems canned lion and Sullivan toying with dangerous game yet the topic of hunting with dogs is seemingly acceptable. My point is why stop at Leopard and not shoot all our game over dogs? To hear the howl of a dog around the camp fire is not why I am here. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Clearly you are not here to engage in the camaraderie of discussing hunting... Because you can't seem to post your name and location? Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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jdollar, Does sound very exciting. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Mike - Andrew Baldry. Turn left at Nyimba and after 60km there is a small dirt track turning right adjacent to Senior Chief Luembe's palace. After a couple of hours you will drop down into the Luangwa valley. Fire a shot and I will find you. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Excellent...thank you Now...please explain why you think baiting is ok but dogs are not? What "Fairchase" can there be in simply luring a leopard to an easy meal. Now I am not necessarily suggesting that "baiting" a leopard is easy but I would think hounds are actually harder than baiting given the training of hounds and the ability to keep up. One could argue that baiting only requires patience. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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You can't copyright a name. Generally, you can't even make your own name a trademark unless you can demonstrate that your name has a secondary meaning through the use advertising, etc. Calvin Klein is an example. But authors don't sell their names, they sell their works. You cannot obtain a copyright for a book title, period. Anyway, I had booked a hunt for leopard with dogs in Namibia for 2010, but after shooting one over bait, I have little desire to shoot one with dogs. But that is about the only way guys shoot mountain lions in the US... Hey, is anyone going to answer Saeed's question??? | |||
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Mike, To get a Leopard to feed in your tree is quite difficult. To shoot a trophy male in that tree during daylight hours is worth celebrating. Normally you will interact with the beast and others over many days and endure many hours of frustration and uncomfort. The wait is well worth it. To have a pack of dogs dictate your hunt is just alien to me. Then again your Leopard is guarenteed and for many the cost of failure is unaffordable. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Hi. My name is Scott (to give it the AA confession feel). I'd rather hunt leopard with hounds if given the choice, as opposed to sitting in a blind. Thank you. | |||
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Actually... You can copywright anything... The question is can it be enforced, what compensation can I get, and what damage can I claim for infringement. I can copywright XCFKHGHJJ by simply puting the (c) copywright symbol next to it Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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the only guaranteed hunts i know of are in RSA-CANNED LION AND RHINO. i am willing to bet that although he success rate for leopard is very high, it is not a 100% sure thing. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Congratulations Scott you win the prize for honesty. However if you are looking for pure excitement probably best to try Zim for cow elephant. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Andrew, You conisder it hunting and fairchase by simply trying various different ways to trick the leopard into eating off a particular bait in a tree. Just how do you "interact" with the leopard? Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Fairgame, welcome to AR. I for one enjoy your sense of humor and the fact you don't respond with a hair trigger. I have hunted leopard twice over bait and have been unsuccesful both times. If I can afford it, I'd really enjoy hunting a leopard with hounds. I do not see it any different than hunting mountain lions here in the states with hunds or using my pointing dogs to hunt pheasants, quail and chuckar. Actually, I believe hunting with hounds is anything but a sure thing as I discovered with mountain lions. Many was the day, week, year, that the cats would give us the slip or we were just not phyically capable of keeping up with the hounds/cat and lost the cat before dark. I think with leopard, it would be especially fun. First, you would have the chess game of baiting to bring a cat to the tree. Then, you would be able to "size-up" the cat in the hopes of finding a large tom. After that, the chase after the hounds would be exciting. I have read many articles where the cat gave the hounds the slip in the rocks/caves or made it across hunting boundry lines. I have also read many stories of the cat only baying until the arrival of the humans, then it is a full blown charge. You won't find that adrenalin rush on a pure bait hunt. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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Not to hijack the thread, but you cannot copyright "anything." It is true you can copyright anything by putting symbol next to it, but you cannot do it with certain terms. See the US Gov't website: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html Anyway, who is going to answer Saeed's question? | |||
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Mike - It is not as simple as that and you are missing the point. Which African animal would you not choose to shoot over dogs and why? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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when you have actually exeperienced firsthand how fast an unwounded leopard comes on a charge, the term adrenalin rush hardly does it justice. try scared shitless(although it is over so fast that the shakes occur after the fact). Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I don't to choose to shoot over dogs or bait. I just find it silly for anyone to take a postion that baiting is ethical but dogs are not. I have no desire to hunt leopard, lion, or elephant either. Not my thing. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The real definition of a hunter is being on top of the food chain. Humans got to the top by outsmarting the animals that we could not just overpower because of our physical limitations. We are not capable of outrunning a gazelle, can not stalk like a tiger and can not take a query by brute force like a polar bear. We figured out a way to overcome our deficiencies by using all resources that were available to us. We started riding horses to areas we could not just walk to. We started training dogs and hawks to be our aide in hunting. We invented bows and arrows to increase our reach from spears and stones and then rifles to increase it even further. We put a large claw extractor to a rifle to make it work perfectly (sorry couldn't miss that one ) Made 4x4 vehicles to reach places where even horses broke down. Put optic sights on rifles to make it easier to hunt.Fairgame, I am sorry that all people jumped on you for putting forward a legitimate question. If you want a debate then let's have a debate. If using dogs is unethical, then why is using a horse or its modern day replacement, a 4x4 not unethical during hunting? The price of knowledge is great but the price of ignorance is even greater. | |||
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I love to hunt cats. I have shot leopard from blind at night, actually dusk, where it is legal, and I have shot leopard from a blind in the daylight. Daylight is probably easier, because you can see better. I think hunting with dogs is probably more dangerous, with more chance of the hunter getting hurt. Hound hunting is still used here in Texas, and I love the sound of a pack of hounds on the trail. I would love to do a Lion hunt in Africa with Ridgebacks, but I have never seen one offered, and it would probably be very expensive! I admit I thought at first this topic might be trolling, but it appears you are for real. I welcome new and interesting topics, it gets kind of dull around here sometimes. Welcome to AR. | |||
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Fairgame, welcome to you. I would love to sit around the fire with you and share stories of my youth chasing walker and black and tan hounds after coons through the river bottoms at night in southern Illinois. Or,chasing bears in California. I don't particularly want to change your mind, but it might give you a better understanding of why we choose to hunt with hounds. Having said that, I must say I chose to hunt leopard in Zim the traditional way over bait. After 14 days of shooting and hanging baits and the excitements and frustrations that go with it I finally got my leopard on the morning of the day we were to leave. I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. I do believe both methods of hunting leopard have their place and it boils down to choice. I will also say that hunting anything with hounds is wickedly efficient and requires stringent regulations and quota. Sincerely, Scott | |||
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I'm not that personally interested in using dogs for leopard hunting, but I truely think to each their own. I think we do need to take a real look at (to my understanding) the increased success rates of dog hunts when we evaluate quotas. All that said I would think dog hunting should be the prefered and beneficial method for leopard hunting in more "populated" areas (Namibai/RSA) and in spades when PAC leopards are involved! Not to mention the positive attributes of dog hunting allowing increased selectivity of take. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I've never hunted leopard before but I would think that I would enjoy running dogs on one rather than baiting one. Seems more sporting. But thats just me. " Knowledge without experience is just information. " - Mark Twain | |||
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Harris, You shouldn't apologize for everyone if you did not read his unedited posts. Nobody quoted the whole thing, but if you go back and read the responses you can get the general gist of what he was stating and who his post was aimed at. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Harris, Lhook7 is correct. I did start the post by sensationalising the title. However it was not aimed at the big man himself. Couple years back I hunted Peter Flack who with Boddington revised and rewrote African Hunter 2. Peter then was surveying Zambia and we had plenty of time to discuss ethics. In fact he wrote a good article for ASG called 'Ethics a moveable feast'which is well worth reading. Before my time safari hunting throughout Africa was dictated by a common code of conduct and most laws relating to hunting in Africa stem from these regulations set by an association of white hunters (as they were then called). For example the Zimbabwe wildlife act is very similar to that of Tanzania and Zambia with the exception we cannot shoot at night and the use of dogs for hunting is prohibited. Otherwise pretty much the same. Back to the point. As a PH I am privaledged to be able to interact and study Leopard at close quarters and I have found that each and every client has been in awe of the spectacle. It is a game of chess and if you do not play the game well you lose. I4 days is the accepted time frame to hunt this animal and it is 100% pure hunting in my book. Sorry chaps I just could not worry such an animal with a pack of hounds and then execute it when its on its last legs. This surely is to disadvantage the beast and has no place in the hunting of big game animals. Species such as Leopard require some sort of respect and use of dogs in safari hunting (paying clients) is a modern quick fix method of collecting a trophy. If you want excitement in Africa then wade out into one of our rivers clutching a squealing pig. A good PH will not charge you for the pig. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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HAY-MAN, You are invited to my camp fire anytime but you will find no dogs as the Leopards have eaten them all. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Point taken Lhook7. I missed the unedited part. Without knowing what was said, I just felt sorry that the post veered off from its intended purpose which to me was a debate on a legitimate issue. The price of knowledge is great but the price of ignorance is even greater. | |||
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RBHunt, The hunting of Lion with Ridgebacks proved to be a very expensive occupation for the dog handler and was given up as a waste of good dog meat. There is no dog in the world that can take on adult Lion or Leopard. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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