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Originally posted by RIP:
And he was a liar, dishonest as hell, yes 500 grains, Esquire himself.

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I remember Russell what's-his-name who strode around this forum like he was God - even though he had never, that is ... NEVER ... been to Africa ... but he still had so many worshippers here that they actually raised enough money to pay for his first African hunt (where he completely screwed the pooch, was exposed as the jackass that he was, and eventually sent scurrying off).

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Nganga:

Cane Rat Drook is one of the most intelligent poster on this site.

Cane Rat's not bad, Drook was a dickhead.

Your mileage may vary.

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Nganga:

Cane Rat Drook is one of the most intelligent poster on this site.

Cane Rat's not bad, Drook was a dickhead.

Your mileage may vary.

He may be, I know he's been called much worse. I also know him well enough to know that even though he can be an ass he is loyal to his friends and would never falsely befriend someone and then throw them under the bus for the sake of "forum cred" like what happened to that poor wrldhunter guy. Know what I mean, Jim?

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Originally posted by MJines:
See, for those that think things are too boring, just give it a little time. The thread about not having enough pissing matches, has generated a pissing match. Beautiful.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:
No I don't have a clue. How about you specifically explain it to me or don't you have the nads to speak plain English.

Steve has my number, call me. I don't play the PM game.

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Nganga:

Cane Rat Drook is one of the most intelligent poster on this site.

Cane Rat's not bad, Drook was a dickhead.

Your mileage may vary.

He may be, I know he's been called much worse. I also know him well enough to know that even though he can be an ass he is loyal to his friends and would never falsely befriend someone and then throw them under the bus for the sake of "forum cred" like what happened to that poor wrldhunter guy. Know what I mean, Jim?

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:
Jim,

You know exactly what I'm referring to. I too, am friends with the DuPlooys. Here's who was in camp; you, wrldhunter, Johnny, and Abie. Who encouraged wrldhunter to make his first post on AR a hunt report of his hunt with Muchinga? Abie, Johnny? Would Abie throw himself under the bus? Would Johnny throw Muchinga under the bus? I think not.

You do the math, you cast the first stone here.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:
Jim,

You know exactly what I'm referring to. I too, am friends with the DuPlooys. Here's who was in camp; you, wrldhunter, Johnny, and Abie. Who encouraged wrldhunter to make his first post on AR a hunt report of his hunt with Muchinga? Abie, Johnny? Would Abie throw himself under the bus? Would Johnny throw Muchinga under the bus? I think not.

You do the math, you cast the first stone here.

I called Adrook a "dickhead" and I stand by that stone. You were a dickhead under that name. You probably might still be posting under it if you weren't. Doesn't seem too easy to get banned from here. Adrook did.

Yup, in camp were me, my wife, Johnny, Abie, wrdhunter, his Dad, Laura for a night, Rebecca Johnny's daughter for a night, and a pilot, who's name I don't recall.

Yup, you bet it was me that mentioned AR to wrdhunter and his Dad. We talked about cars too and rifles and I'm sure a few other topics I don't recall.

Wrdhunter told me he had been on AR "a few years ago". We shared camp for 3 days and a morning.

When I got back to Alaska I wrote up both my hunt reports and I emailed the link to him. We exchanged emails and phone number while in camp.

He answered my email to tell me he enjoyed my reports and planned one of his own. I asked him if I could post his Leopard picture on the end of my Zambia report which I did.

Later he posted his hunt report and the shit storm started.

On March 31, 2011 on another thread I posted this ....

"Gentlemen,

I was in camp when that Lion was shot. Wrdhunter was already an AR member when we discussed the site while sharing camp in Zambia. He was not very active. It was I that encouraged him to post a report both while in Zambia and later after our return.

We did not hunt together but did discuss hunting, family, and firearms like any group of hunters would while sharing a camp.

After reading the bulk of this thread this morning I found myself feeling a little badly about nudging him towards posting a report. Especially since he was not even an avid lurker and had no idea what can happen on this forum when pissing matches replace reason.

I called him a minute ago and apologized for encouraging him to post, especially if it diminished the memory of his hunt. His reply showed maturity beyond his young age. I will not speak for him, but suffice it to say I feel a bit better after the call.

The one thing I did express though is that after we remove the chaff of the pissing matches demonstrated here I do believe the silver lining is the science based factual information that is offered.

I thank Aaron & Lane for their work. I thank wrdhunter for his frame of mind.

Let's get back to working together to see that the Lions benefit somewhat from what those willing to learn may possibly take away from this thread.


Cheers
Jim Wojciehowski
Anchorage, Alaska"


So there you go Andy, if there is some other piece of information specifically about me you would like to share please post it.

I stand by Adrook being a dickhead. Cane Rat not really. You see the difference is Frostbit is Jim Wojciehowski. It's not an alter ego, it's not a fantasy online persona. It's me. I'm no different in person then I am on here.

I will patiently await your information that you formed your "under the bus" statement from.

I just got off the phone with Steve giving him permission to give you my number. If you got something to say directly have at it. If there's something you wish to post here have at it. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:
Jim,

You know exactly what I'm referring to. I too, am friends with the DuPlooys. Here's who was in camp; you, wrldhunter, Johnny, and Abie. Who encouraged wrldhunter to make his first post on AR a hunt report of his hunt with Muchinga? Abie, Johnny? Would Abie throw himself under the bus? Would Johnny throw Muchinga under the bus? I think not.

You do the math, you cast the first stone here.

I called Adrook a "dickhead" and I stand by that stone. You were a dickhead under that name. You probably might still be posting under it if you weren't. Doesn't seem too easy to get banned from here. Adrook did.

Yup, in camp were me, my wife, Johnny, Abie, wrdhunter, his Dad, Laura for a night, Rebecca Johnny's daughter for a night, and a pilot, who's name I don't recall.

Yup, you bet it was me that mentioned AR to wrdhunter and his Dad. We talked about cars too and rifles and I'm sure a few other topics I don't recall.

Wrdhunter told me he had been on AR "a few years ago". We shared camp for 3 days and a morning.

When I got back to Alaska I wrote up both my hunt reports and I emailed the link to him. We exchanged emails and phone number while in camp.

He answered my email to tell me he enjoyed my reports and planned one of his own. I asked him if I could post his Leopard picture on the end of my Zambia report which I did.

Later he posted his hunt report and the shit storm started.

On March 31, 2011 on another thread I posted this ....

"Gentlemen,

I was in camp when that Lion was shot. Wrdhunter was already an AR member when we discussed the site while sharing camp in Zambia. He was not very active. It was I that encouraged him to post a report both while in Zambia and later after our return.

We did not hunt together but did discuss hunting, family, and firearms like any group of hunters would while sharing a camp.

After reading the bulk of this thread this morning I found myself feeling a little badly about nudging him towards posting a report. Especially since he was not even an avid lurker and had no idea what can happen on this forum when pissing matches replace reason.

I called him a minute ago and apologized for encouraging him to post, especially if it diminished the memory of his hunt. His reply showed maturity beyond his young age. I will not speak for him, but suffice it to say I feel a bit better after the call.

The one thing I did express though is that after we remove the chaff of the pissing matches demonstrated here I do believe the silver lining is the science based factual information that is offered.

I thank Aaron & Lane for their work. I thank wrdhunter for his frame of mind.

Let's get back to working together to see that the Lions benefit somewhat from what those willing to learn may possibly take away from this thread.


Cheers
Jim Wojciehowski
Anchorage, Alaska"


So there you go Andy, if there is some other piece of information specifically about me you would like to share please post it.

I stand by Adrook being a dickhead. Cane Rat not really. You see the difference is Frostbit is Jim Wojciehowski. It's not an alter ego, it's not a fantasy online persona. It's me. I'm no different in person then I am on here.

I will patiently await your information that you formed your "under the bus" statement from.

I just got off the phone with Steve giving him permission to give you my number. If you got something to say directly have at it. If there's something you wish to post here have at it. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

I'll say it to you right here. I am Cane Rat, formerly adrook, and you cannot deny that you, Frostbit (Jim Wojciehowski) was the one who who fed to the members of the LCTF the story of the young lion that your new friend whom you met in camp, befriended, and encouraged to join AR and post a hunt report as his first post, killed while you were in camp with him. His handle was wrldhunter and he was subsequently shamed, humiliated, and almost hanged in effigy as a result of your treachery and desire for acceptance on here, and he will most surely never return. You should be ashamed.

I may be a dickhead but I have never betrayed the confidence of a fellow hunter as you have.

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I certainly think he should have been far angrier than he was when I called him to apologize for recommending a hunt report.

He didn't care. He didn't blame me. He pulled all his pictures and report and I sure don't blame him for that.

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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I certainly think he should have been far angrier than he was when I called him to apologize for recommending a hunt report.

He didn't care. He didn't blame me. He pulled all his pictures and report and I sure don't blame him for that.

Right. That's why he still posts here. I PMed with the guy when this all happened, I thought the way he was treated at the time was terrible and I sent him a PM apologizing for the reception we gave him. You know; how you all trashed his lion, trashed him, trashed his PH, called him an embarrassment to all hunters and so forth. I won't say in this post what all he had to say about you but he doesn't consider you a friend, he said you betrayed his trust. If you don't believe me, I still have the PM. You are, in large part, responsible for this, Jim, if you had kept your mouth shut instead of attempting to impress Aaron, Lane and others with your knowledge of large feline ecology this could have all been avoided.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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I certainly think he should have been far angrier than he was when I called him to apologize for recommending a hunt report.

He didn't care. He didn't blame me. He pulled all his pictures and report and I sure don't blame him for that.

Right. That's why he still posts here. I PMed with the guy when this all happened, I thought the way he was treated at the time was terrible and I sent him a PM apologizing for the reception we gave him. You know; how you all trashed his lion, trashed him, trashed his PH, called him an embarrassment to all hunters and so forth. I won't say in this post what all he had to say about you but he doesn't consider you a friend, he said you betrayed his trust. If you don't believe me, I still have the PM. You are, in large part, responsible for this, Jim, if you had kept your mouth shut instead of attempting to impress Aaron, Lane and others with your knowledge of large feline ecology this could have all been avoided.

Interesting Andy,

Could you please show me where I, personally , "trashed his lion, trashed him, trashed his PH, called him an embarrassment to all hunters and so forth".

I will patiently await your cut and paste with links to threads. I'm 57, please don't take too long.

Have a nice night Adrook

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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I certainly think he should have been far angrier than he was when I called him to apologize for recommending a hunt report.

He didn't care. He didn't blame me. He pulled all his pictures and report and I sure don't blame him for that.

Right. That's why he still posts here. I PMed with the guy when this all happened, I thought the way he was treated at the time was terrible and I sent him a PM apologizing for the reception we gave him. You know; how you all trashed his lion, trashed him, trashed his PH, called him an embarrassment to all hunters and so forth. I won't say in this post what all he had to say about you but he doesn't consider you a friend, he said you betrayed his trust. If you don't believe me, I still have the PM. You are, in large part, responsible for this, Jim, if you had kept your mouth shut instead of attempting to impress Aaron, Lane and others with your knowledge of large feline ecology this could have all been avoided.

Interesting Andy,

Could you please show me where I, personally , "trashed his lion, trashed him, trashed his PH, called him an embarrassment to all hunters and so forth".

I will patiently await your cut and paste with links to threads. I'm 57, please don't take too long.

Have a nice night Adrook

You were the one who lied to him and then threw him under the bus, Jim. Everyone else here piled on and did the dirty work. Glad you're not my "friend".

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:
Jim,

Did you or did you not encourage wrldhunter to post a hunt report here on AR after you betrayed his confidence knowing full well what would happen when he did so after shooting that young lion?

Did you or did you not betray his trust and relate to Aaron and the other members of the LCTF the specifics of why and how he happened to shoot that young lion in the Luangwa with the DuPlooys? If you didn't relate the specifics of his wife being pregnant and his wanting to finish the hunt and go home to see the birth of his child and so forth, then who did? I know who did, it was you, and you know how I know.

Why did you pretend to be his friend while in camp and then talk shit about him once you and he returned home and allow the fiasco that ensued after he posted his report to happen? No laws were broken, yet the poor bastard was thrown under the bus and made to feel ashamed of his lion, a good PH was dragged through the mud (we both know what really happened with the killing of that lion, but you and others who knew were silent and allowed a respected PH's good name to be trashed when in reality the PH said no and the client fired without permission). I'm not defending the client, but he broke no laws, and this whole thing ended up being a cluster that others used to make hay. I hope you are proud. And you want to sling arrows at me for posting one thread in the past poking fun at homosexuals?

You have a lot of nerve to cast aspersions on my character for sending you PMs (which you claim you have deleted and refused to read) offering to take this offline after the way you have behaved by starting this. That's laughable. You're a liar and have no honor. Perhaps you can recruit Brett to come on here and vouch for you as the honest and honorable guy you are but I'm guessing that won't happen.

You can call me a dickhead, which I may be, but I can assure you I have never screwed someone over the way you did Brett.

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:
We both know the truth here, Jim. You started this by calling me a dickhead and then referred to me as "adork". I've kept to myself since coming back on here and I didn't pick a fight with you but if you want one with me you got it. I know all about your shenanigans in perpetrating the entire "wrldhunter" fiasco. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

I have related the issues regarding Brett and the DuPlooys based upon what Brett and the DuPlooys have told me and also what you have told others.

You can cast doubt upon my intelligence but like I have said you are a liar and a man without honor. Please, go ahead and call Steve, he'll be happy to tell you exactly what I just did.

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As usually happens, whenever something negative is reported about an individual, someone comes up with a glowing report on how wonderful that person is.

I have no way of doubting this, may an individual is different in person than when he is on an Internet forum.

But, some of the past behaviour of some of the posters on this thread is simply, utterly stupid.

I won't go into details here, but those who have been through the thread regarding Boddington daughter's accident will remember.

In my mind, any individual who would stoop so low will never get my respect.

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view the site more as a source of information and forum for the exchange of information, not a place to watch anonymous internet bloggers bash each other over cooked up controversies. From the standpoint of a place to share information, I think the site is second to none. If others find it boring, look somewhere else for controversy.

Mike