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I have been away from my computer and Aaron beat me to it...but what Aaron said above is 100% correct. I am friends with Jim, Andy, and Steve. We all talk privately about miscellaneous stuff all the time. Truth is that I have never really talked to Jim that much about the "Wldhunter" lion. I think we spoke in passing once about it on the phone. Jim did NOT give the LCTF pictures and he did NOT spur anything on. In fact he has criticized us publically several times. The speaking out on the Wldhunter Lion was a conscious decision made by Aaron and LCTF. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The AHF is dull nowadays...... Steve, Happy now that we have controversy, accusations, people under the bus, PM's, phone calls, defensive positions just like old times. Are you sitting back and laughing like during the PHC threads? | |||
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Brad, I'll be happy to talk with you again via phone if you wish. I will answer your question here though because I feel everyone should hear it. I did not even know there was an organization called LCTF until posting of its existence on this forum AFTER the shit storm started. As stated earlier, I mentioned AR in camp probably on the first night wrdhunter and his Father arrived during a multi-topic small talk session. I forwarded links to my hunt reports to him after I posted them. I talked with him on the phone after the shit storm expressing regret I even forwarded the link. That's the sum total of my involvement with wrdhunter. AFTER it became apparent I was in camp when the Lion was shot I was contacted by Aaron, indirectly by a member of the Zambia PH society (sorry I don't know the actual name of the group) and I was in ongoing discussions with Andrew Baldry regarding a future hunt already booked. The Lion came up in conversation then. I also discussed the Lion with the initiator of this thread. There was information discussed in that conversation I now regret offering. I was asked why I thought he would shoot such a Lion on day 4. I foolishly offered an opinion based on observation in camp. I offered that his hunt was not originally scheduled in that time slot. It got changed. The trip was a graduation gift. His wife was pregnant and at home with his first born and yes it was on his mind. He and his Father left camp 9 days early as revealed in his hunt report after bagging what they were after. It was improper, I see now, to share my thoughts with the originator of this thread way back when this started. Bottom line is only wrdhunter knows why he shot his LEGAL LION and the immediate circumstances at that time. I was not at the bait and nothing in camp was discussed other than success. As I said I dumped the pictures after sharing them with Andrew at his request and then asked him to dump them as well. It became quite apparent to me that different individuals feeling they were somehow involved may have had reasons to want those pictures. I did not want that happening. I think Aaron blew it with his attack about the Lion. I have told him such directly. Lane I never talked to until this month and that was more about the future of the Lion and whether his crystal ball could tell me if the Lion I wish to hunt in June/July 2012 will even be importable. As I said I was already in touch with Andrew but more about our planned hunt. The Lion topic came up amidst those conversations after the shit storm. BTW Skype rocks!! My conversation with Steve, which I now regret, was one of many conversations about African hunting, PH's, attitudes, money, "Ph friendships", and "rockstar" status of different PH's. I WILL NOT reveal the content of those conversations to anyone. I could be wrong but based on details in one of Cane Rat's posts directed at me I can only assume the reciprocal attitude of confidentiality was not adhered to. Lastly, I went to bed last night immediately after my last post to Cane Rat. I have not spoken to nor requested anyone to post on my behalf concerning details of this sordid affair. I have also been in touch with Johnny and Laura du Plooy concerning a collaborative magazine article. The Lion was not discussed. As far as I'm concerned this is the last I care to post on this topic. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Jim, You are welcome to call me anytime for any reason, as far as this subject, I would say the above answered my question thoroughly. Brad | |||
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well, of the 2 individuals primarily involved in this controversy, there is only one i believe. any guesses as to which one? hint- i am a student of history which usually repeats itself. or to put it another way- a leopard doesn't change his spots. or once a jerk, always a jerk. or-well, you get the idea( but please understand, NO NAMES HAVE BEEN MENTIONED!!!) Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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I would agree. While I have the cash to drop on a really nice trip, the uncertainty Zero and his minions have inflicted on the economy leave me and my cash on the sidelines. (Like countless other small business owners, I'm sure.) Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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I have been trying to figure out a couple of things. 1. Where is it listed that hunters/shooters have to be 100% serious, 100% of the time? If people are not having fun hunting and shooting, why do it? 2. Why can't another person have an opinion on something and state it, and people that don't agree, either state why they don't agree or just move along to another subject and not get into a pissing match. Anyone that spends anytime on this site, knows the folks that are going to stir the pot at the first opportunity. Instead of egtting into the name calling and trying to force people to actually prove something on the internet, just let the thread die. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Things are not dull any more!..... Thanks once again to Saeed for proving this opportunity.... The problem with the internet or email is that key stokes are very quick and very impersonal. Some people do not seem to take responsibility for their behaviour when the audience is anonymous & they are equally anonymous. Once they have said something that could be offensive to others or misinterpreted someone's post or not read it properly, they go into defensive mode and try to argue and justify their behaviour. Once name calling and belittling starts, it is a downward slippery slope. I know some people who are hesitant to post here simply because they do not feel welcome or safe. BTW, "a rose by any other name smells the same" - check the ARPF & enjoy the fragrance! Unmistakable....! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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What is this finger pointing about? | |||
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Huh? Who are these people? ~Ann   | |||
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I dont know that things are boring. It is true that things have slowed down a bit. The economy and concerns for financial security perhaps? I have been around the forum for awhile and will say this. Things here have an ebb and flow just like nature does but not with quite the same regularity. There have been many ups and downs here before but all one needs to do is be patient. Things are sure to cycle up again. We have lost some great folks who added a lot to these forums. None of us are getting any younger and those people have and will be sorely missed. As to those who have been banned? All I can say is things here are pretty loose. It takes a major breach of decency or repeated breaches after having being warned to get onself banned. Enough said. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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Nakihunter has allowed his paranoia to spill out of the political forum and into the other forums, I see. An inferiority complex can be a devastating personality defect as he continues to demonstrate. What is it that these mates of yours are so frightened by, Naki? A stern lashing like you have received at the hands of the denizens of the ARPF, perhaps?  | |||
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Ann, the fact that these people do not feel comfortable to post often here is the reason you do not know them. You are basically a decent person, though you might disagree with me. PM me and I am happy to discuss the issues with you. I do not want this to become another ARPF rant at the person rather than the issue. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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SR 4759, SB, Cool - I speak pretty plainly if politely. My comments here are no different to what you can learn in any simple course or training on the etiquette in the use of email or the internet. There is no need to point fingers as the facts are there for all to see. The first thing you learn when using a fire arm is that it is a responsibility! You just do not go around firing a gun at any thing in sight just because you can. Same goes for a lot of stuff in life. Is it so difficult to understand? You do not go on to a forum as a guest and then abuse the host. You do not go to Africa to enjoy the country's hunting and hospitality and then curse the Africans. You do not stalk some one from thread to thread just because your ego has been hurt by some plain truths. That is basic human decency. Is it so difficult to understand? "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Naki, That about sums it up. It comes down once again to civility. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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Someone offers a "course" on etiquette while using the internet or email? | |||
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it's hunting season so a lot of the usual suspects are busy hunting? | |||
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,I know some people who are hesitant to post here simply because they do not feel welcome or safe. From my limited experience on internet forums, that is one of the two biggest LIES concerning users of the sites. The other, and it is just as bad if not worse is,"You are running people off this place with your attitude", that one is real popular on the regional sites, especially those that are "sponsored". It ends up being nothing less than open censorship, a clique gets it in for one or two "Rival" members that are usually better debaters, so to solve the problem, they start emailing the site mods and administrator complaining, to the point of setting up bogus accounts, with these "New" members complaining that they feel uncomfortable participating on a site where the "Bullies" run things. Then the bannings start and in many cases the site eventually fades into the sunset. Because the site ends up being a small "Mutual Admiration" society and everyone loses interest. There are way too many flat out liars on the various websites. They have their opinion and do not want to hear anything that disagrees with that opinion, it is humanm nature. The only thing that most people on sites like AR have in common or should have in common is an interest in firearms/shooting and hunting. We do not all have the same level of education, were born and raised during the same time frame or with the same values or concepts concerning life and our part in it. Internet sites are what the Members make of them. Whether they are private like the AR or one of the "business sites" that depends on sponsorships to stay on line, if enough members get tired/fed up with or lose interest for any number of reasons, the site will die. Among the things on this site that have changed since I have been on here that did not bother me was the decision to stop the posting of centerfold material. I like women and the female form as well or better than anyone, but it was one of those things that I just did not get anything out of and hence did not peruse those topics all that much. Some of the pictures were quite good and some were flat out pornography. Among the things that I see hapening right now that I don't like are: 1. For some reason, some people seem to believe that hunters should not have fun. 2. Some people are more concerned over proper punctuation and phrasology and spelling than is neccessary. 3. Too many people seem way to concerned about how the ANTI's will use information gleaned from this site, from shooting a lion that some deemed to young, to the sexual habits of PH's and clients on a Safari. The last one is where everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize that it would not matter one bit if each and every one of us were up for sainthood, the ANTI's want hunting stopped, PERIOD! As a group we have so few sites available to discuss hunting and life, that are as good as this one. Why screw the pooch with it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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So why do you start lecturing people as soon as you show up if being polite is so important? SSR | |||
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Andy and Steve.....you both have no idea what you're talking about. I know Jim well and he felt nothing, but bad about what happened to wldhunter(?). You have no idea....... Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Yet again you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about. I see the lul in the hunting season is keeping you guys bord???? Are you working on being rebanned.....for good? Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Andrew.....please don't bother to interject facts into this arguement. Andy is perfectly fine working with half truths, inuendo, and BS. I appreciate the informed perspective though. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Back to the topic. For what it's worth I've noticed it's slowed some. I'm not posting or viewing as much myself. I think that has more to do with a busy business, a DYI dall sheep, caribou, grizzly, and wolf hunt in 5 days, and my focus for international hunting being on my Kyrgyzstan trip next year. I'm sure the economy has had some impact. I doubt "lack of drama" is the reason. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I'm back enjoying AR these days.  I never really left but I did slow down quite a bit and although I doubt Africa is int he cards any time soon, I'm enjoying reading about it again. Lots of new people on here these days that joined int he last few years....I remember 500 grains but dont' know why he got banned. I think lots of the personal challenge stuff is pretty funny. It's the effing internet Relax. 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Hi Gates, glad to see you back! ~Ann | |||
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Dear Andy, The only thing you could possible have to say that would have any interest to me is "Jim I was wrong and I appologize." Don't bother PMing me any more as I have no interest in reading them and even less interest (if that's possible) in responding to you. I have a life and you're not worth my time. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Like this forum very much, but since the last years have been with much stress, fatigue and not a chance to hunt and seldom to shoot, its been little energy left for much time here. And a great girlfriend that is all that i never could ream of and more. But met many great guys through here, frequent email and hoping to save up cash to go on trip to meet them . But in late fall we are going on a great trip, hunting and more . So if all goes as planned im writing a story in here, you gals and guys deserve it . That is the idea behind a living forum, write good storys to keep it going . Hemingway said , "write one true sentence" the rest is easier then . was mr Rigby before a pc crash | |||
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"It was wonderful to walk down the long flights of stairs knowing that I'd had good luck working. I always worked until I had something done and I always stopped when I knew what was going to happen next. That way I could be sure of going on the next day. But sometimes when I was started on a new story and I could not get going, I would sit in front of the fire and squeeze the peel of the little oranges into the edge of the flame and watch the sputter of blue that they made. I would stand and look out over the roofs of Paris and think, "Do not worry. You have always written before and you will write now. All you have to do is write one true sentence. Write the truest sentence you know." So finally I would write one true sentence, and then go on from there. It was easy then because there was always one true sentence that I knew or had seen or had heard someone say. If I started to write elaborately, or like someone introducing or presenting something, I found that I could cut the scrollwork or ornament out and throw it away and start with the first true simple declarative sentence I had written." - Ernest Hemingway, A Moveable Feast | |||
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CrossL The answer is simple - I try to correct those who use abuses and insults instead of civil debate and common decency. If those people used a gun the way they used the key board, they would be in jail in no time! "Responsibility" - is it so difficult to understand? Being intolerant & abusive of others' point of view is also being irresponsible.
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Crazyhorse....the discussion about the guy who shot the 2 yr old lion is an example of someone who does not want to post here because he did not feel safe or welcome. An apology has been extended & the matter is over in my opinion. However - There are a few people on AR who regularly resort to abuses, name calling & insulting language. They attack the person rather than the point of discussion. They regularly stalk their target across various threads. Not everyone wants to spend time and effort standing up to abuse & insults. They just stay away from contributing, though they may be members who read AR regularly. How is that a myth? "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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BECAUSE HE WAS CONSERVATIVE. There are some real low life liberals on the PF that have taken being inflamatory to new heights. I used to post down there quite often, but the crazy liberals and the hosts that put up with their immature behavior have driven me away. There is clearly a double standard down there and has really become the loony bin of Accurate Reloading. ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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+1 Every thing has slowed up a little, There not as much money out there to get new hunters interested in Africia. Many are just sitting tight, in some ways I think its like a black cloud is hanging around and everybody is staying close to home. People with money are being more carfull how they spend,those like my self who could barely manage to put a hunt together are fewer. Fewr hunters are thinking of africia. JD DRSS 9.3X74 tika 512 9.3X74 SXS Merkel 140 in 470 Nitro | |||
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Not only is it a myth, it is pure  This site, and most sites have an Ignore User Feature. Just because someone posts something, regardless of what it is, there will be folks that disagree with what was posted, and since all people do not act or think in the same manner, that disagreement can be and oft times is harsher than neccessary, It Is The Internet, that can not be controlled. I am not sure about you, but most folks I know feel that having the perfect world where everyone gets along and never is heard a discouraging word, is both impossible and impractical. Anyone that posts something on an internet chatroom/forum/bulletin board, even remotely thinking that it will receive nothing but praise, is dillusional. Not sure about you Naki, but from what I read in your responses and posts, you seem to have a real problem with Free Thought and Free Expression of those thoughts. You seem to want, and seem somewhat insistant about it, for EVERYONE to act or respond to issues as you do, and to me, that is dillusional thinking. Anyone that is AFRAID to post something on a site like AR, for what ever their reason(?), must lead a real sheltered existance and evidently has neither a spine or gonads. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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C.H.C.I have to agree with you somewhat, but what you are responding to is not total B.S. as you say! I can name several people who no longer post here and on some other web sites where they used to post on a daily basis. A couple of them are close friends of mine, and I know them off line very well. One in particular is one of the most knowledgeable people I know on the subject of double rifles. He was hounded on NE, 24 Hour and AR as well till he simply couldn't take it any longer, and stopped posting all together. In his case it started on NE in a thread on OSR (Over Stressed Rifling) Simply because the dissenters simply didn't know their Ass from their elbow about the subject, and the whole web site ganged up on him, and then not satisfied, followed him to AR to continue their assault! IMO, the whole WWW suffered a loss of a real source of information on a very interesting subject to thousands of folks who were new to his expertise on that subject. Because I defended his position, having seen one of his examples of this OSR but because we couldn't produce photos of that OSR we were both called liars. I had the main trolls follow me here as well, one guy in particular, no matter the subject nit-picked my every post, till I too thought of leaving the Internet as well, and almost did just that. I'm Irish, however, and though I don't look for a fight, I won’t back up a damn step to stay out of one brought to me! CHC it is one thing to disagree, politely or even strongly and quite another to form a kangaroo court of five or six people who follow a poster around the Internet to harass them and call them names. The people I'm referring to, being harassed are basically teachers whose offerings to the hungry un-schooled on their subject expertise have basically been denied! While we are on this subject, I think the guys who made comments on the lion killed by wldhunter dealt him a real insult by making the remarks on his hunt report! The man was running out of time and the lion was a legal lion. Like most here I would have gone home Empty, but it wasn’t my hunt! Though the remarks were truly founded, they could have been made in another post on another forum, not naming any names and offering pictures of other like lions, his included with the faces of the hunter blocked out, to make their point, not trashing the mans dream hunt report! That wasn’t enough even after these guys have a dedicated forum for that discussion, they still want to post their opinions on this forum because it has become apparent, that there is little interest in that forum, and they are preaching to the choir there. I understand the importance of what these guys are trying to do, but I simply think they could have used a little more decorum in their delivery! These are the kind of things that push people off the websites! They simply don’t see the need to suffer the abuse! You can call it fear, and some do, but I call it disgust! Like you I don’t think there will ever be a website, or campfire where everyone always agrees completely, but there should be, at least, some common decency in the exchange! People who harass are nothing but schoolyard bullies, that should be bought for what they are worth, and sold for what they THINK they are worth, and the money used to go on Safari! ..........................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Really good post Mac, no argument from me on your assessment of the situation. I have never left a site because of the trolls/kangaroo court/Peanut Gallery mentality, but I have been banned from a couple simple because I would not back down. Like you, I have a small bit of Irish in me, combined with Scot and possibly Comanche. I do agree that there should be some common decensy and a bit of respect on these sites, but as has been mentioned, internet anonimity, and no fear of getting ones nose broke because of unneccessary comments, makes some folks a lot bolder than they are in real life. Or as a recent popular song stated, "We Are All So Much Cooler On Line". Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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This site is far better now then it was a few weeks ago with much more interesting posts and a more inviting group of posters. Thank you to the owners and moderators for an excellent hunting and shooting site. | |||
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Now I am on Prozac I find AR such a nice place to post. Lots of sweet people and furry animals. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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