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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/sex-t...y?id=10288468&page=1 Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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As alleged, this is truly shocking and disgusting behavior. Not to mention criminal. Any "outfitters" - and any clients - that would do such things should be extradited and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Where in the hell was I? I guess the young, beautiful women wanted no part of an old geezer.  Go figure. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Prosecute the guilty and feed them to crocs. | |||
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If this is true I hope those involved rot in a third world prison or worse. | |||
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Sounds to me like ABC was wanting to paint a bad picture. That stuff goes on routinely with many other countries' "sportsmen", but I have not witnessed it among American hunters in 40+ years of hunting, although it has to happen occasionally--just like with UnderCover Reporters or any other group of men or women "on vacation". Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Good Lord. I hope this all doesn't get too self-righteous. There are more prostitutes in Chicago than white people. No ABC secret investigations there these days. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I just watched the report on ABC News with Diane Sawyer. Absolutely, DISGUSTING. Any operator involved in child exploitation should be banned from any convention and if possible prosecuted. I hope the F.B.I. uses every resource to expose and prosecute these criminals. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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+1 Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I saw this on the news, and it seems the offenders were mostly S. American fishing operators, but I guess it could go on anywhere. | |||
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Hopefully, the names will be published and we can shun them and SCI, DSC and all the rest will ban them for life. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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There is a special place in hell for pedophiles, and one can only hope they'll get that tour package sooner rather than later. I can hope ABC will out every one of those sick bastards, clients and tour operators alike. And that the feds will arrange for them to rot in jail before they rot in hell. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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If you guys are all serious, and hear or see this going on, report it. A friend of mine won a bird hunting trip in Argentina and when he told the owner of the lodge he was planning on bringing his young teenage sons, they told him not to - for the reasons listed in the article. Needless to say, he is now trying to sell that hunt to someone else. Whether the girls are of legal age or not, the hunting industry needs to break all links with companies like this. SCI and other hunting associations need to keep a black list of companies. We all report fishy/bad guides and outfitters when our hunts go bad. Why not start the same here? "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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There is a special place in prison and hell for pedophiles, and they won't like either place. Anybody going to Africa with such ideas needs to check on the AIDS rate in sub-Saharan Africa; worse odds than Vegas. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I hate to even post to this, just because it will bring it back to the top. I have been going to DSC for many years, and have NEVER had an outfitter, guide, PH or anyone else offer or even mention prostitutes, pedophile parties, or anything like this. I think the moderators should pull this one, it has no place on a hunting forum. If this was going on, DSC or SCI would ban them from the convention. | |||
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Nor have I. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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The bastards who provide these services and the ones who engage in this activity deserve the worst possible punishment. Only the lowest form of life would think of abusing the children this way. Hang em all. The price of knowledge is great but the price of ignorance is even greater. | |||
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So you're suggesting the film is faked? If not, it obviously did go on, so are you in denial or what? No one is suggesting it is common practice but we should police our own, probably much better than we do. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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 Just another "news" story with an agenda. Or maybe I'm missing something by bringing my wife to the conventions and all of my hunting trips?Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Does this kind of stuff go on, Yes. With enough money, ANYONE can buy ANYTHING they want. That has been part of the HUMAN CONDITION since Day One. DSC/SCI and any of the other organizations that put on such conventions are the ones that need to do a better job of finding out who or what the companies that are manning exhibits at their respective shows, are actually offering, or what they are WILLING TO OFFER FOR THE RIGHT PRICE. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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There are certainly hookers in many parts of the world. Some of the places are notorious. Costa Rica for example. The stories I have heard are pretty crazy. I have never been there. However, I am told by people that have been there that it is a well developed industry there. South American hunts are notorious. Many outfitters do not allow any such activities in their lodge. However, they will take people to town if they like for a night of entertainment. I have seen people openly ask about this in front of people they don't even know. I once went to Bulgaria on a red stag hunt. Before I went the booking agent told me about "things that could be arranged". That is the one and only time I have ever heard of children in this type of situation. At the time, I wasn't sure why he was telling me. In retrospect it was a warning. At some point, a woman from the hunting company offered to bring some of these girls in. She was as casual as if she were asking what we wanted for breakfast. Needless to say, I said I wasn't interested. There is a reason I have not gone back. | |||
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Just said I have never seen one offered at DSC. The first time I saw this mentioned was in an article where some guy who offers Peacock Bass fishing trips to the Amazon was accusing other outfitters of offering "sex vacations". Don't know how DSC got pulled in. The guy was accusing the other outfitters of stealing his business by offering prostitutes as well as fishing. I think he was trying to bring it to court sometime this year. I have been a member of DSC for many years, and work as a volunteer at the convention. If they knew of anything like this going on at the convention, they would not allow it. | |||
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Folks, everyone needs a little dose of Grow-Up here. Not all of us are the saintly type, and when away from home and feel that a certain amount of anonimity is available can and will do things we would never even think about under other circumstances. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Ain't this the same "news" outfit that refused to talk about the alleged murder witnessed by the camera crew while filming the do-gooders in Zambia in the New Yorker elephant thread? Methinks they protest a bit too much. Any BS for a story. | |||
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These are the scum who will get bust abroad and then beg for consular assistance..... Other than prosecution to the full extent of the law they should be named and shamed in the industry- clients, outfitters and agents who facilitate. | |||
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I could care less how many men or women you choose to bang while abroad, party and have at 'er... but childen or heinous abuse are intolerable and the domain of weak bastards with no courage. | |||
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Can you say........ TIGER WOODS DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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Looks like DSC was taking steps to handle this back in February.
from- http://forums.nitroexpress.com...=0&page=1#Post152800 | |||
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How do you propose we at DSC "police our own" especially if they are Non- member exhibitors? The exhibitor private parties and meetings that occur during the yearly convention are numerous, many agents and safari and fishing operators throw parties/gatherings for past and prospective clients. DSC cannot patrol/chaperone/monitor/ supervise these PRIVATE (not DSC sponsored) gatherings. It is fine to propose such nanny-state behaviour-- but truly, HOW do you implement such a an undertaking; PARTICULARLY if you have NO knowledge of the PRIVATE gatherings? DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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This is so full of it that it's almost unbelievable. Think about it. You have to find a booking agent to agree. Then you have to find an outfitter. Then you have to have a hunting camp with no one else in it. Too many variables to make this a common occurance. I know that if it happened in any of my hunting camps (and I'm sure in yours) that it would end quickly. If I found anyone in my camp doing anything like this portrayed I'd have a one on one with no reservations asked. Men with Children? I just don't get it. With that said, I just returned from CAR and the next hunters flown in were Russians. And they brought their girlfriends... | |||
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Have you read any of the posts above or watched the video? Do you realize this is about pedophilia? If you do and posted the above response you are a sick disgusting person. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I can't comment on the aspect of kids except to say I reckon any and all paedos deserve suspended sentences...... as in suspended by the neck until dead....... but I can say we, like many other safari companies were sent a couple of email shots some months ago from a company offering to provide 'feminine company' to hunting camps for the client's entertainment....... they even had a website (something like whoresRus.com  ) and offered to provide individual CVs and (if I remember correctly) also pay commission.  Needless to say, I just told them to remove us from their mailing list. | |||
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Good grief. I must have just fallen from the turnip truck. To me, unbelievable. I now agree, kill 'em all. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Don't you all know your not suposed to kill baby rapers just skinum an turn um loose.Let the hogs take care of it.But did you all notice those fine looking "ladys just left of Dirk Smit on the first row? Holy mackeral if they walked into camp I'd be hunting them little blue pills. Wildcat | |||
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 Speak for yourself here Crazyhorse, you can exclude me from your "us" statement, you might want to re-word your post. If not I agree with Lhook7. Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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I’m not sure that prostitution involving adults is even truly consenting… When children are involved it truly turns revolting… In the end it all sums up to human trafficking…. I say take all involved drop them out in the bush and assign a trophy fee of $50 per head… Kind of like shooting baboons but a lot more gratifying… ______________________ Sometimes there is no spring... Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm... | |||
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My point is this, ABC News has a history of making up 'stories' to boost ratings. They are anti hunting and anti gun to the extreme. It seems much more likely that they would concoct a smear job on one of the largest hunting conventions than for this to be true. I have visited many outdoor shows/hunting conventions and talked to lots of outfitters/booking agents and never have I heard of adding hookers to the mix (much less underage ones). Sorry, this does not pass the smell test---- Logic says it is a made up story. | |||
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any of you who have seen my postings on child abuse no I would love to get my hands on anyone who hurts a child. BUT you all have to remember the media lie's at every turn if it's on the nightly news it's not true. that said prositiution has been a major business in every area in Africa so one should not be supprized if some low lifes offer women( over 18yrs old) in camp. if you have ever been asked if you want your back straightned?? there where not talking about a massage | |||
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buckeyeshooter: You and I have two opposite forms of logic, if you think this is a made up story. Instead of blaming ABC news we should give them a pat on the back for helping weed out these characters from the outdoor industry. Everybody isn't out to get the hunting industry. We have to police ourselves better in order to prevent stories such as these from surfacing. It's typical to react with the "anti-hunting, anti gun" criticism. There are bad apples everywhere, in law enforcement, government even the golf world. That story was not made up, and was well presented. If the goal was to fabricate a story for ratings, there were many different things that could have been done. For starters, FYI, April is not a ratings month. Feb, May, July and Nov are the ratings/sweeps months when the wacky stories come out. | |||
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