Folks, at least those of you that are having shit hemmorages over what I wrote, grow up.

As for some of the charges that a couple of you upstanding? individuals leveled at me.

I feel the exact same way that you do on the subject, never said different, just stated the FACT OF LIFE, that stuff like that happens, and a whole hell of a lot more frequently than people want to admit to or acknowledge.

I do not condone it, nor support it, and feel that the folks involved, whatever their part in the occurence needs to be disposed of as quickly as possible and preferably something along the lines of the ways Apaches or Comanches would have got rid of them.

But, for you agrrogant, head up your ass, geniuses to start accusing me of something I have never or would never do, or condone in a camp I was in, shows how really smart you are.

Just because someone points out a FACT, does not make them the enemy, and YES, I have seen folks do things, not any of the stuff being discussed here, but things that they would not do in their normally daily life, when in a hunting/fishing camp, thinking that no one would find out.

To think that people don't do such things shows a complete like of a grasp of reality to the human condition.

If my useage of the term US offends anyone, Too Damn Bad!

If you don't do anything in hunting camp that you would not do at home, then more power to you, and realize that you ain't part of the us I was talking about.

BUT, If You Do ANYTHING, And I Do Mean ANYTHING while in a hunting or fishing camp, THAT YOU WOULD NOT EVEN DREAM OF DOING WHILE AT HOME OR AROUND YOUR NORMAL SOCIAL GROUP, then you are one of US, so shut your self righteous mouth and concentrate on the fact that there are somethings, such as what is being discussed that you would not do.

Instead of concentrating of my choice of words, hy don't you concentrate on the real problem, which is was thios video staged or real, and depending on whichever way that sorts out, finding a way to either police the 4th. estates practices, or have the organizations i.e. DSC-HSC-SCI develope better screening processes so such operators can not set up displays at their respective shows.

Now, I will repeat myself, Grow Up.

One other thing, NO, I have not seen the video, nor do I want to, because whether it is made up by ABC News, or really happened, either way makes no difference to me, the mere thoughts of such activities taking place makes me sick.

For people to engage in such activities is totally beneath contempt, and the people trafficing in the business and their customers should all be put to death on the spot when caught.

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deserve suspended sentences...... as in suspended by the neck until dead..

Best quote I have seen when dealing with anyone who would harm a child.

There are more prostitutes in Chicago than white people. QUOTE]

Will---

I was just curious as to how you know this little bit of information???

This all got started and has been in the media, both TV and Newspaper articles in the Dallas market area, involvling South American outfitters. More specifically peacock fishing trips. One outfitter was crying fowl and was going broke and is in bankrupcy with customers unable to get their deposits returned or complete their trips while blaming a competitor of unfair business practices and offering "sex vacation fishing trips" I haven't seen anything recently but it looked like a huge mess and a bunch of sour grapes and it looked to cause a lot of innocent people grief and problems. A few bad apples can spoil the whole barrel for the rest of us. I was considering a return peacock bass fishing trip but have put it on hold for now. My wife reads the same newspaper that I do and even though the outfitter I have used in the past was not involved in any of the dirt throwing,,,, I will have to wait for the dust to settle. My first peacock bass fishing trip was in Venezuela, almost 20 years ago,, with Chavez in power, not a good place for an American to go right now due to politics but as far as I know,, prostitution was legal and open in that country then and in many south American countries,,, No i did not "check it out" but the oldest profession is still in business in most countries.

For those who want to stick their heads in the sand and think that there is some kind of conspiracy theory with ABC "making up" the story, I don't think the FBI and ICE are in on it. These things happen, and if you didn't get offers, it doesn't mean it wasn't offered to someone else. It just mean that you didn't ask the right questions or didn't look the type where the outfitter was willing to risk asking. ABC probably was out there asking leading questions and one took the bait.

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Originally posted by txlonghorn:
For those who want to stick their heads in the sand and think that there is some kind of conspiracy theory with ABC "making up" the story, I don't think the FBI and ICE are in on it. These things happen, and if you didn't get offers, it doesn't mean it wasn't offered to someone else. It just mean that you didn't ask the right questions or didn't look the type where the outfitter was willing to risk asking. ABC probably was out there asking leading questions and one took the bait.

TXLH,

Agree! that ABC probably found an outfitter willing to "arrange special activities" with the hunt.

But knowing ABC, they didn't mention how many outfitters did not, would not or turned them down on their request!

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Originally posted by txlonghorn:
For those who want to stick their heads in the sand and think that there is some kind of conspiracy theory with ABC "making up" the story, I don't think the FBI and ICE are in on it. These things happen, and if you didn't get offers, it doesn't mean it wasn't offered to someone else. It just mean that you didn't ask the right questions or didn't look the type where the outfitter was willing to risk asking. ABC probably was out there asking leading questions and one took the bait.

Thank goodness, that my upstanding moral character has shown through. I have to agree with Ray.

For those who may not be aware, ABC news has been doing a series of exposes' on child sex trafficking, so this arguably did not specifically target hunters, although given their views on hunters in general, it certainly qualifies as a daily double for them.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://sandyfrost.newsvine.com...r-child-sex-tourism-

In the link Kathi posted, they do name some names.

Good on Dan Harris/ ABC News and for Phil Marsteller in getting ABC to do the investigation.
There are lots of folks in high places that most likely have their panties in a wad now due to questions being asked by both US and Brazilian govt. officials.
I do hope a lot of folks go down for this.

In the last DSC publication they had a notice about their zero tolerance policy regarding the pedophile tours. I guess this is why.

I am a little late to the party but what the F*** has this to do with African Hunting! Where the H*ll are the monitors? This is about an South American prostution ring not about Africian hunting. I have had posts closer to Africian hunting moved to other forums, what the F***!!!!!!!!

It may be a South American issue in this particular case, but are you sure similar things do not happen in Africa, or any other places where hunts are done?

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
I am a little late to the party but what the F*** has this to do with African Hunting! Where the H*ll are the monitors? This is about an South American prostution ring not about Africian hunting. I have had posts closer to Africian hunting moved to other forums, what the F***!!!!!!!!

Agree 100%

Ive been to Africa 6 times, talked to hundreds of outfitters, PH's, other hunters, etc. never heard of anything like this; not to say its impossible, just not common at all.
That said, pedophilia is criminal, disgusting, and unacceptable to all of us, no exceptions.

Similar vile acts have and still are going on in the Catholic and other churches all over the world, not just on fishing/hunting trips.

Most of the perpetrators seem immune to prosecution.

I guess "true believers" just don't want to know about it.

There should be one punishment for such crimes, and wearing ones collar back to front should make fuck all difference.

Crazy, I only said this particular story is about South America not Africa or Afrcian outfitters. I would agree that at one time there probably was a lot of dilly dallying in African camps but that was before AIDS.

Disgusted is how I felt when I watched this story.. All involved should be punished..

I dont consider myself naive and have pretty much seen a lot of things over the years. I have never ever been approached about something like this. Either the kind of people who would be mixed up in something like this are very intuitive on who not to approach or there is some kind of secret decoder ring. If they can prove any of this and it just isnt BS ban them for life. I have some other ideas what should be done with them as well but they are either illegal, immoral, or both.