I think a Bren gun could still kick som ass... A bit heavy but very reliable if I am correctly informed. And it could be a good weapon for our female companions!

boha,
The book "Melins kompani" was great reading. The Colt gun was quite good at the Museum in Tammerfors!

Stridsbåt 90 is to small

I have found something much better, even better than the "Mighty Mo", The Ship of line HMS Agincourt, there are plenty of room for the Lewis guns, the Vickers, an armourd train, the Walrus, cewe.s (Rooivalk -SA Attack helo), the Marines, a cabin for Marilyn, a hammock for Miss Lampenius, some 9,3x66 rifles and PLENTY of Plymouth Gin ( Sir winstons favourite gin)and much more!



HMS Agincourt aka "The Gin Palace" 14 12" guns!

The Rio de Janeiro, the highest tonnage, the greatest length, the greatest number of turrets, and the greatest number of heavy guns. This was the ship the Brazilian Government ordered from Armstrong Whitworth.

Laid down for the Brazilian Government in November 1910 the Rio de Janeiro was to be the ultimate expression of the arms race with her Argentinian neighbour.

Launched on 21 January 1913, the Rio de Janeiro was headed for troubled waters. The Brazilian Government was having increasing difficulty in making the payments on the new ship.The South American arms race was consuming 25% of the national income of both Brazil and Argentina. Finally after the collapse of the rubber export industry, Brazil tried to float a 11-million pound loan in May 1913 and soon after this failed the decision was made to sell the Rio de Janerio to the highest bidder. The reserve price was set at 2.750.000 pounds.

On 28th December 1913 the ship was sold to Turkey and renamed Sultan Osman I. Work began again on the laid up ship, with a few modifications. The fitout of the ship included the finest wood veneers and furnishings.

The Turkish Government expected delivery of their new super dreadnought in July 1914, and pushed Armstrong's to deliver on time. As the delivery time neared Armstrong's was approached by the Admiralty to delay the hand over of the ship, On 31 July1914, with war imminent, the First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill who wrote "Messrs Armstrong should be informed that in view of the present circumstances, the Government cannot permit the ship to be handed over to a Foreign Power or to be commissioned as a public ship of a Foreignn Government, or to leave their jurisdiction".

On the 1 August 1914 a company of the Sherwood Foresters with fixed bayonets boarded the Sultan Osman I and escorted all the Turkish Naval personnel off the ship. The ship had been seized by the British Government 24 hours before being handed over the Turkish crew.

The seizure created some rather unique problems for the Royal Navy. Although the ship possessed the largest broadside afloat, she was lightly armoured and unlike the Royal Navy dreadnoughts, the ship had wide open spaces below deck, separate cabins for the officers and generous accommodation for the crew. This had been achieved by eliminating as many watertight bulkheads as possible. The effect of a torpedo would have been devastating.

Never the less, HMS Agincourt, as she was renamed was now part of the fleet. Her new Captain, Douglas Romilly Lothian Nicholson set about bringing his ship up to Royal Navy standards. The "Marble Arch" which covered her middle turrets was removed as it restricted the turrets movements and created a fire hazard.

25 August 1914 Agincourtslipped her moorings and headed down the Tyne and set sail for Scapa Flow to join the rest of the Grand Fleet. So unique was the appearance of the Agincourt that it became common for ships to be given station orders in relation to her.

"The Gin Palace" as she was known to the rest of the fleet, due to her luxurious fitout, was regarded as certain to break her back if she ever fired a full broadside.

At Jutland, 31 May 1916, she was the forth ship in the line of the Sixth Division. She was one of the first to sight the German High Seas Fleet and the nearest to the German Fleet. Agincourt opened fire with full broadsides, and during the course of the battle fired 144 rounds of 12-inch, and 111 round from her 6-inch guns. There is no evidence that she sank anything, but the sight of her 14 gun broadsides was described as "awe-inspiring".

Luckily for Agincourt she was not hit during the battle, and a torpedo that was headed for her stopped short.

With the rest of her Division she returned to Scapa Flow on 2 June 1916. Like the rest of the Grand Fleet she did not see action again.

In 1919 she was placed in reserve, and a buyer was sought. After consideration the Brazilian Government turned her down and she returned to Armstrongs to be converted to oil fuel and additional protection. After some initial work all work was halted and finally in 1922 she was scraped.


The minor problem is that we have to dig out the Zambesi in order to reach Zim. But as we already at that stage has conquerd Russia, we could have some russians POW to do the work. They made the Belomor or White Sea channel in just 20 months with Josef Stalin as THE overarching Project Manager...

Dredging the Zambesi with Russian POWs? This sounds like we Finns should step in as we have a history of making POWs, especially Russians, work their asses off. My neighbors barn was built by POWs during WWII -I heard they were nice people and good workers, all they needed was a firm leader.

I am that leader.

Do the Russians still use female soldiers? Wouldn´t mind an Olga and a Tatjana by my side..

Almost overlooked the Bren gun...if we follow Bohas diet we can all be called "Bran guns"!

What diet? I prefer Sunday Morning Highland Breakfast: Oatmeal porridge with running honey on top and SINGLE MALT to cover it all. What a morning! Wonderful.

After that I drink to Joe Stalin, our hero, who killed more russians than anyone else!!

Uncle Joe was a real sonofabitch -Anyone read the book "The red Tsar and his court" (De röda tsaren och hans hov)? Very good reading, very scary reading, we were very lucky not being occupied after the war.

I could do with some Highland breakfast right now -the single malt would blend well with the kodein.

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Originally posted by boha:
What diet? I prefer Sunday Morning Highland Breakfast: Oatmeal porridge with running honey on top and SINGLE MALT to cover it all. What a morning! Wonderful.

After that I drink to Joe Stalin, our hero, who killed more russians than anyone else!!

I change the Malt in the morning to Gammel Dansk -hver gang!

Oh my, Husky, you almost make me wish I had served in the Finnish Navy (or any bleeding Navy) instead of the Anti Tank Forces. Imagine drinking from the bottles instead of throwing them at the T-55!!

Wonderful!

As for Joe Stalin, I have never acctually drunk to his health. My grandmother, who was a peaceful woman, hated his guts to the full and to the end for having my grandfather die at the front, so I´d rather pour the drink on Finnish soil than drink his health.

Boha

I came late to this 9.3 / blond hunters / boats / vikings (what I am leaving out?) thread. Did anyone mention that no how powerful your 9.3 it still doesn't make the caliber minimum for DG in most countries in Africa? Sounds like an exercise doomed to run into an administrative brick wall no matter how good it may or not be.

Maybe so, or maybe not, or quite the contrary, Wink!

Beautiful place, Rambouillet! Had a fantastic supper somewhere around there back in -95..

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Originally posted by Wink:
I came late to this 9.3 / blond hunters / boats / vikings (what I am leaving out?) thread. Did anyone mention that no how powerful your 9.3 it still doesn't make the caliber minimum for DG in most countries in Africa? Sounds like an exercise doomed to run into an administrative brick wall no matter how good it may or not be.

Well,
Isn't the 9,3x62 and up legal in mostafrican counties?

Anyway, as we are under the leadership of Lawndart (higest rank) going to invade Zimbabwe very soon, we would be able to change the law concerning minimum calibers.

Hopefully boha will be the new Minister of Justice as he probably is the only one aboard the ship that can read and write properly

I think we have to place our order for tracers in 9.3 well in advance...

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Originally posted by Marterius:
I think a Bren gun could still kick som ass... A bit heavy but very reliable if I am correctly informed. And it could be a gook weapon for our female companions!

Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels!
One of the craziest movies I ever seen (Yes, I have seen some Ingemar Bergman films)

The Bren gun was a instant success!

Does anyone make explosive bullets in 9.3?

Wink: This is a seriuos discussion. You are welcome to join the party IF you a) have a nice blond to bring along b) are psychotic or seriously paranoid c) have a substance abuse problem (optional) d) don´t always play by the rules.

THat should put you on the beachhead when we land.

Husky: I´m the missions poet as I can read and write AND I´m also a very sensitive person...

Why don´t we have any rocket options? Recoilless rifles? What are we using for sniping?

I propose we design our own sniper round: The 9.3x98 West

Do we really have to take Russia first? That might take all summer and I have my bees to think about.

Brown Dog:

I picked up on your comment about the "kicking" of the 375 H&H. I went to Africa after discovering that the 375 didn't "kick". (It shoves back in a hard push and if you don't know the difference -then don't even think about graduating to a 416 Rigby!) I shot a buff who went down before a 375 H & H with one shot (Yes, I did use an "insurance" shot) -and yet if I were doing it again I would want something bigger! (A recoilless rifle would have been nice!) I shot my PH's double, a 470 N.E. in target practice and was pleasantly surprised at how easy it handled because it "pushed" and didn't "kick"-and if a critter was coming at me determined to stomp me into the ground or claw me to pieces I would like to have had it in my hands! What I'm trying to say is that in my very limited African experience -carry the biggest gun that you can!

When I was a paratrooper we had the 106mm recoiless rifle mounted on jeeps! It uses a shortened 50 caliber spotting round. You fire the spotter, and see if the tracer hits the target. If so, plug your ears and smack the firing "button" for the big gun with your right elbow.

I'm sure we could weld up some Land Rover mounts in a couple hours.

Since Jimmy Carter was el Presidente (el poquito jeffe) when we switched over to the TOW missle system, I wonder if the 106mms ended up as a birthday present to Daniel Ortega.

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Posted by Stu Miller on January 10, 03 at 20:50:44:

Complete package including 106mm recoilless rifle with attached .50 cal spotter (M8C) rifle, complete original uncut T&E firing mechanism and a M274 mule mount. Also includes one inert practice round and original manual. This gun has been deactivated per ATF rules by cutting a window (~6"x4") out on the bottom side of the breech and removing the firing pin and spring. Guns are complete with firing cables, optic mount, etc.....the 20 round magazine for the M8C is not even dented. Finish is original parkerizing and is getting thin with some light surface rust. Would make a super addition to that mule or Jeep! Located in SW Michigan. $5000 or serious offers only. Thank you.

lawndart

PS Welcome Gerry 375

Lawndart: See if you can pick up a couple of those 106mm recoiless rifles, sound slike fun. How are we on mortars?

A point we´ve missed: What is the missions official beverage (and remember beer is a food not a beverage!)? G&T´s are for refreshment so they don´t count and neither does champagne or red wine as they are essential for keeping grown men in shape.

Our official cigar?

Condom?

Credit company?

We still have some stuff to work out!

I'll order a few of these from Toys 'R Us.

Official Beverage: Lime Diet Coke with Nutrasweet

Official Cigar: I'm sure we will find plenty of Cubano cigars in Moscow, sugar cane sugar also.

Official Credit Card: Master Card; This operation will be priceless.

Official Condom: Hmmmmm, 15 years after the vascectomy, and doing the monogamy thing for a long while.....what's a condom?

LD

PS Who is the nice young lady with the Bren gun? She looks like a lot of fun, and definitely requires a condom. Hopefully she has one in her bra or thong.

As this will be a naval operation I guess the official drink must be pink gin?

The young lady with the Bren gun is from the movie "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels". She was the very stoned girlfriend of a guy with a greenhouse full of Cannabis sativa. When he was robbed, she woke up from her coma, grabbed the Bren that one of the robbers carried and emptied the magasin at them without hitting anything...

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Originally posted by Marterius:
As this will be a naval operation I guess the official drink must be pink gin?

Maybe the Swedish Navy! Hello Sailors!


Antipodean Navies drank RUM.

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Originally posted by lawndart:

Hmm, looks pretty familiar..

Here´s our finnish model, a dear old friend, aka "f***ing heavy gun", suitable for all terrain any time of the year. It´s been tested. Without a jeep. Don´t ask.

Boha

Pink Gin?

Marterius -you mean for the ladies!

Got me worried for a awhile.

The official beverage must be a whiskey -I´m sort of tired of Single Malts and there´s to many to keep track of! Jamiesson is a good whiskey as is Black Bush.

Nitrox: If you supply the red wine you have chance of making the crew -aren´t Australians classed as Limies?

The guns look fine, think we might need more women though. What about attack dogs? Blacks are scared shitless by boer bulls so a few dozen of those would do us fine.

Official song: Led Zeppelins "Rock n Roll"

If we need something a little bit more modern, we can take a hint from Swedish Army and bring a couple of belt fed grenade launchers. Almost classy design but I don't want to be in the other end.



"The MK19 fires 40 mm grenades at a cyclic rate of 300 to 400 rounds per minute, giving a practical rate of fire of 60 rpm (rapid) and 40 rpm (sustained). It has a maximum effective range of 1500 meters (absolute maximum range of 2200 m). It was originally fielded by the US Navy in Vietnam for river patrol boats, but was adopted and improved upon by the US Army. It is a man-portable crew-served weapon that can fire from a tripod mounted position or from a vehicle mount (this being the preferred method as the weapon alone weighs 33 kg). The ammunition comes in 32 or 48 round cans weighing 42 and 60 lb (20 and 30 kg)."

Anyone for a .32 Webley? It goes bang and Mickey Mouse uses it! Anyone?

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Official song: Led Zeppelins "Rock n Roll"

Or The Pogues' "If I Should Fall From Grace With God"?

/Martin

Marterius: Make mine an MK19! Look at the expression on the shooters face -real mean! A chewed cigar butt in the corner of his mouth would make that picture perfect.

Boha: You have nicer guns than the Webley...

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Originally posted by Marterius:
If we need something a little bit more modern, we can take a hint from Swedish Army and bring a couple of belt fed grenade launchers. Almost classy design but I don't want to be in the other end.



"The MK19 fires 40 mm grenades at a cyclic rate of 300 to 400 rounds per minute, giving a practical rate of fire of 60 rpm (rapid) and 40 rpm (sustained). It has a maximum effective range of 1500 meters (absolute maximum range of 2200 m). It was originally fielded by the US Navy in Vietnam for river patrol boats, but was adopted and improved upon by the US Army. It is a man-portable crew-served weapon that can fire from a tripod mounted position or from a vehicle mount (this being the preferred method as the weapon alone weighs 33 kg). The ammunition comes in 32 or 48 round cans weighing 42 and 60 lb (20 and 30 kg)."

I liked the MK19 all except they were Jam City.

Jarrod: What kind of jam? I´m partial to peach myself.

I like the idea of tossing 400 40mm grenades a minute -I can feeling my adrenaline and my testostorone levels rising

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Originally posted by cewe:
Jarrod: What kind of jam? I´m partial to peach myself.

I like the idea of tossing 400 40mm grenades a minute -I can feeling my adrenaline and my testostorone levels rising

thanks, you made me hungry talking about the peach, so I just made a red raspberry preserves sandwich. I prefer grape or strawberry though.
This has been a very strange thread.

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I liked the MK19 all except they were Jam City.

They require a different and specific lubricant than the rest of the inventory. It is expensive, and you have to use a lot of it. A lot of unit armorers, first sergeants and commanders have indulged in false economy and not ordered the correct lubricant. The talcum powder like sand in Iraq has gummed up a lot of them also.

Fortunately the weapon was originally developed for use in an intertidal and riverine environment i.e. running up the Zambezi in patrol boats.

Hmmmmmmm. Maybe we should just charter some cabins and deck space on a cruise ship. We could catch a few shows, play some shuffleboard and then have them drop us and the patrol boats off where the river meets the sea.

LD

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Originally posted by lawndart:
Hmmmmmmm. Maybe we should just charter some cabins and deck space on a cruise ship. We could catch a few shows, play some shuffleboard and then have them drop us and the patrol boats off where the river meets the sea.

LD

Yes, if it can meet our needs. Since this is a naval operation we need a gunroom and since we are hunters we need a gunroom as well. But perhaps these two functions can be combined...

Regards,
Martin

Marterius: I guess the gun boats could second as gun rooms while we´re on the cruise? I can´t see that as being a problem.

With any luck we can recruit some fresh crew while cruising!

Lawndart: I think the women are young enough as to be selflubricating? As long as we don´t roll em around in the sand.

Jarrod: Raspberry jam is great stuff! As is apricot jam. When I was a kid we used to have Knotsberry Farm (if my memory is correct) preserves -good stuff.

Will we need a special cake for the trip? German chocolate is good but it´s hard to beat a triple layer fudge cake...

Blueberry muffins for breakfast?

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Lawndart: I think the women are young enough as to be selflubricating? As long as we don´t roll em around in the sand.

In a perfect world, yes. Just to be safe though, we should bring plenty of the special lube, cost be damned.

LD

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Blueberry muffins for breakfast?

Muffins, Sir? No Sir, egg and bacon!

Marterius: Excuse me for that lapse in judgement -eggs and bacon it is. Fried mushrooms on the side isn´t bad either.

Lawndart: We´ll just lube em up and move em out (in?)!

Nobody else interested in the cake issue?

Biltong and dreiwors are also necessary, maybe even essential.

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Originally posted by cewe:
I like the idea of tossing 400 40mm grenades a minute -I can feeling my adrenaline and my testostorone levels rising

May I be so bold as to suggest an alternative?



There's even a lightweight version.



(I realize that the cyclic rate is only 350 rounds per minute, but I think it will do.)

You can even get it on wheels.



(All photo credits belong to HKPro.Com and their contributors.)

Cewe, excuse accepted! Some mushrooms on the side is OK as long as there is enough of eggs and bacon!

Charles, looks like a good alternative!
Still, the facal expression of the guy with the Mk 19 is something special...

I wonder if we can get HK to make us a set of G3 rifles in 9.3x66!?

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Originally posted by Marterius:
I wonder if we can get HK to make us a set of G3 rifles in 9.3x66!?

No problem as long as you meet the minimum order size. I think it is 1,000,000 units.

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

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Originally posted by Marterius:
I wonder if we can get HK to make us a set of G3 rifles in 9.3x66!?

No problem as long as you meet the minimum order size. I think it is 1,000,000 units.

Charles, I think it is a matter of what we are prepared to pay!

Regards,
Martin

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Originally posted by Marterius:
Charles, looks like a good alternative!
Still, the facal expression of the guy with the Mk 19 is something special...

Link to short Quicktime clip of the GMG in action.

quote:

Originally posted by Marterius:
Charles, I think it is a matter of what we are prepared to pay!

Regards,
Martin

Shall we dash off a quick email to the factory rep for a quote? They prefer to deal with military and special forces units or law enforcement. Do you have official letterhead for your detachment?