“Showboating” or not, if I had my family in Africa, and was unarmed, I can think of few people besides Ivan (or Buzz) that I would rather have between us and an elephant.

Ivan, please do continue to be careful when responsible for the lives of others, just as you would want done for your family. You know better than I that sh*t can happen awfully fast, and the vast majority of safari tourists do not perceive the dangers involved. Cheers, Bill

Again. Who is this Ivan guy?

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Originally posted by Dave Fulson:
Again. Who is this Ivan guy?

Don't play innocent, Dave. We all know who the man is behind the curtain. If there's any showboating going on here you are the captain of that vessel. From the beginning it's been clear that you're the organ grinder to Ivan's monkey.

If it weren't for my sense of outrage I'm sure some additional metaphors would come to mind.

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Originally posted by ivan carter:

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In regards to the picture...y'all are all forgetting one crucial part. They weren't hunting. So if the ele gets shot...it was not part of the plan...and not a good thing in a park.

Check sometime with those who know...who has shot the most ele in self-defense in Zim...in the past 10 years.

that would probably be me Lane if thats what you are insinuating ...but NONE have been in a park and NONE where i initiated the approach ..spend enough time out there and around elephants and stuff will happen ....i would hazard a guess that between us buzz and me rank highest in number of elephants killed in self defence , both of us have in the past two and a half decades spent thousands of days around elephant - a TZ ph who guides two ele hunts a year probably will never shoot one in self defence - the most elephant i have taken in a single year with clients is 28 - of that over half were cows.

the scenarios (all 6 of them) where i have shot in self defence are actually the scenarios that taught me the most and what the overall lesson that came through from those experiences is that you cant trust what you "think" you know ..to that end
Saeed , you nailed it ...NOBODY knows what an animal especially a wild animal is going to do next ...every single safari i see and learn something or experience something i didnt expect and no matter what you have to be ready for that.

Todd,

Please read the attached bolded portion of Ivan's post. OK, call me a spinner or sniper for three years!

465H&H

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Originally posted by KPete:
you're the organ grinder to Ivan's monkey.

MUST WASH IMAGE FROM BRAIN!!

I currently have a bounty ready to be paid to the first PH that will tie a live leopard tail in a knot on camera. In addition , like bull riding, I will pay a bonus for each second of "the ride" that follows. Captured on camera of course.

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Originally posted by Dave Fulson:
I currently have a bounty ready to be paid to the first PH that will tie a live leopard tail in a knot on camera. In addition , like bull riding, I will pay a bonus for each second of "the ride" that follows. Captured on camera of course.

Dave,

Have asked that master of the Hollywood art of deception - Mark Sullivan to act this for you?

After all, facing charging buffalo and hippo, shooting farm grown lions, etc.

Tying the tail of a pussy cat should be child's play for him

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by KPete:
you're the organ grinder to Ivan's monkey.

MUST WASH IMAGE FROM BRAIN!!

I must admit, that one brought on some horror thoughts of my buddy Dave as well. Just didn't want to go there!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by KPete:
you're the organ grinder to Ivan's monkey.

MUST WASH IMAGE FROM BRAIN!!

I must admit, that one brought on some horror thoughts of my buddy Dave as well. Just didn't want to go there!

Tonight's show brought to you by Hornandy, Ruger, and Wurlitzer.......

I'm still waiting for some apologies from some of the know it all posters who blasted Ivan.....

Having watched the news tonight [nothing good here,] I have come to the conclusion that most of the preceding six pages is due to and caused by "cabin fever." Would it be incorrect to request that "global warming" come back, even for a brief period, so as to allow some folk a stroll around outside, to open the doors and windows to allow the fug to escape. Bill's old scribblings [due apologies,] "Much Ado About Nothing" come to mind.

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Originally posted by KPete:
From the beginning it's been clear that you're the organ grinder to Ivan's monkey.

I knew those Safari Classic fellows were close, but did not realize that they were that close. Remind me not to shake Fulson's hand in Vegas until he uses Purell.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Mike,

No offense taken, and you are very welcome to your opinion.

But, back to the subject here.

Taking chances is fine as far as one is concerned.

Taking chances with other's lives is certainly not.

I have stated many times before.

Hunting, no matter what game, is saver than driving in any major city today.

99.9% it becomes dangerous when one is stupid enough to think he knows better. And does something stupid.

0.1% is just bad luck.

Those who claim to like to come close to animals before shooting them because it is more dangerous are deluding themselves.

There is absolutely no danger if a man is holding a rifle in his hands, and KNOWS there is an animal ahead of him.

A perfect example is what Mark Sullivan does.

All one has to do is shoot straight.

And it is more difficult to shoot straight at a distance than close up.

In fact, if those who really think they are putting themselves in danger by hunting "dangerous" game, why are they using a rifle?

They even go as far as stating that the bigger it is, the better.

Again, Mark Sullivan is a perfect example of this.

The sad part is there are apparently individuals who go all gaga about this.

This post is simply a collection of bull. Hunting close to elephants IS more dangerous that shooting them at stand off distances.

While things can go wrong involving the elephant you are either inspecting to decide to shoot or not, approaching to shoot, after the shot, who knows; and there can be equipment failures or mishaps, faulty rounds, faulty bullets, broken rife, etc, the REAL danger in hunting close is from elephants other than the one you are hunting. Unless the terrain is open, and it usually isn't, there is substantial risk from unseen elephants, especially if cow hunting. The risk is there from before the shot to well after the shot, no matter how good or poor the shot itself was, again, especially if hunting cows or a bull with cows.

Shoot an elephant 50yds and those risks are nil, and if they materialize there is plenty of time to deal with it. Risks are significantly higher at 25yds and grow exponentially with each step closer, and the time available to react to a threat has shrunken at the same rate.

But those who don't hunt close wouldn't have any idea of it.

The additional risks encountered hunting close is an adequate reason to carry a stopping rifle, but immediacy of the risk, the loss of time to prepare provided by even a few yards and the necessity to immediately react is the more important reason.

Note that Ivan isn't carrying a 375!

JPK

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Have asked that Have asked that master of the Hollywood art of deception - Mark Sullivan to act this for you?

After all, facing charging buffalo and hippo, shooting farm grown lions, etc.

Tying the tail of a pussy cat should be child's play for him - Mark Sullivan to act this for you?

After all, facing charging buffalo and hippo, shooting farm grown lions, etc.

Tying the tail of a pussy cat should be child's play for him

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um... never hunted with Mark, nor plan to....
but "Have asked that master of the Hollywood art of deception"
Where is the deception in his videos?
and
"shooting farm grown lions"
????
where? how?
the man hunts in Tanzania, far from the capital of "farm grown lions"

No fan of any one, but to each his due

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Originally posted by JPK:
The additional risks encountered hunting close is an adequate reason to carry a stopping rifle...Note that Ivan isn't carrying a 375!

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Originally posted by emron:
...
um... never hunted with Mark, nor plan to....
but...
"shooting farm grown lions"
????
where? how?
the man hunts in Tanzania, far from the capital of "farm grown lions"

No fan of any one, but to each his due

I think the poster was referring to a promotion he did for an RSA lion farm outfit where he called shooting that lion the hunt of a "lifetime". It is on Youtube, look it up if you wish.

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Originally posted by Hunting the Box H:

One last thing here is that the camera taking the shot is far back from them using a Telephoto lens, that will make the elephant seem far closer to them than it actually is.
Now how about we give Ivan the benefit of the doubt and wait for him to tell us what actually happened before throwing him under the bus, as usually happens when the armchair experts decide to crucify "one of our own".

That was my first thought as well!