I've been corresponding with a jealot on Facebook on the Lion Aide thing. I've avoided these things as it seemed fruitless to get in a discussion with them because they have drunk the Kool-Aide and eaten the jug it came in. I was right. Below is a quote from a response this person made to some FACTS I gave them.

"""Also, no truly "wild" lions are hunted anywhere in Africa, as wild lions are confined to national parks and similarly protected areas, which are places where hunting is mostly banned. Instead, most hunted lions are captive bred, which typically cannot be released into the wild. Hunters aren't sparing any wild lions because in today's world, no lions can be hunted in "the wild" (since they're now only found in national parks/protected areas).""""

If you think about it this is pretty scary if a lot of people's idea about African animals are this skewed.

Following Aaron's lead I also invited this person to go on safari and see for themselves. Think they'll do it????

Mark

Amazing Mark. Is it possible that someone fighting this would know so little about the facts? If so it is shocking!

quote:

Originally posted by nube:
Amazing Mark. Is it possible that someone fighting this would know so little about the facts? If so it is shocking!

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Last night we attended a dinner party of old friends from Dillingham in honor of some folks that left there in 2005 and came to Anchorage for a visit.

The husband found out I may have an Elephant on quote in June. His question....more a statement...."They are endangered!! How can you do that"

Before I could answer Joyce (little miss) took over for me and explained how inaccurate that statement was. The response was "They are intelligent and mourn for their lost. Would you hunt a Whale?"

My answer, if I got invited on a Whale hunt in Barrow I would be on it in an instant.

Conversation topic then changed.

Well I wouldn't hunt a whale (too cold and wet) , but if they did the Jurassic Park cloning thing on mammoths, the great bears and dire wolves I'd be on it in a heart beat!

Aaron,

Great response over at LionAid. It is more then they deserve. Did you notice in there response that they did not address a single one of your questions? It is because they have no experience and no answer. Instead they simply attack you personally and hope no one notices there lack of depth.


John
John

quote:

Originally posted by JohnHunt:
Aaron,

Great response over at LionAid. It is more then they deserve. Did you notice in there response that they did not address a single one of your questions? It is because they have no experience and no answer. Instead they simply attack you personally and hope no one notices there lack of depth.


John
John

It appears the information may have been too much for them. The post is no longer there that I can find. Just new drival about Lionaide being the workld's leading Lion conservation authority.

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by JohnHunt:
Aaron,

Great response over at LionAid. It is more then they deserve. Did you notice in there response that they did not address a single one of your questions? It is because they have no experience and no answer. Instead they simply attack you personally and hope no one notices there lack of depth.


John
John

It appears the information may have been too much for them. The post is no longer there that I can find. Just new drival about Lionaide being the workld's leading Lion conservation authority.

It's still there, they just refused to address it in their follow up answers. Brett Adam Barringer called them out on it..

Brett: Hunting is a valuable conservation tool.
Lion Aid: An elephant was once poached in the Selous so we should crucify a hunter every hour on the hour and ban hunting.
Brett: How do you intend to combat poaching and habitat loss?
Lion Aid: That's a hard question, so I'll ignore it......PS> Hunting is stupid!
Brett:We actually spend lots of money on research, lobby for better lion conservation programs, and aid scientist in research.
Lion Aid: No you don't.
Brett: Yes we do. I financially contributed myself.
Lion Aid: Did not! Did not! Did not!

Anyone else want a turn?

Brett

The one good thing is that they are not deleting our posts and banning us. At least not yet!

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Brett: Hunting is a valuable conservation tool.
Lion Aid: An elephant was once poached in the Selous so we should crucify a hunter every hour on the hour and ban hunting.
Brett: How do you intend to combat poaching and habitat loss?
Lion Aid: That's a hard question, so I'll ignore it......PS> Hunting is stupid!
Brett:We actually spend lots of money on research, lobby for better lion conservation programs, and aid scientist in research.
Lion Aid: No you don't.
Brett: Yes we do. I financially contributed myself.
Lion Aid: Did not! Did not! Did not!

Anyone else want a turn?

Brett

haha that is so spot on.

Wow! Interesting as it seems facts from people that have been there and done that seem to be having some effect on Lion Aide. It's hard to argue when your opponent keeps coming back with the truth. I also think Brett needs to be acknowledged for maintaining a civil attitude in the face of such an onslaught of narrow mindedness.

Mark

Give them time. When faced with truth and compelling arguement there pattern is to pull back... go silent for a few days. Then post a number of new stories in quick succession to "bury" then offending post.

Watch.

Yes Brett is to be commended for his patience and controlled approach, a few other guys too. I have been following posts, brings back memories of last year, when I spent some time on the Lion Aid page, and much more time on another anti page, trying to be patient and controlled...

John is right, give them time, they don't seem to mind looking clueless and anything goes with them when it comes to bashing hunters. And John should know, he has been fighting the good fight on Lion Aid for ages...

If it was a true debate, it would have been game, set and match a long time ago, and many times over since then, as we all know.

I really enjoyed the recent comments by one Andy Morris, talk about nailing it with minimal word usage! I don't want to quote him here but those of you on FB should take a look.

I have come to the conclusion that I cannot waste more of my life on these people, and I know many of you told me so. I reckon I will leave it up to those who know more and have more patience... So keep at it Mark, Aaron, Brett, Naki etc, I will be backing you all the way with 'likes'!

quote:

Originally posted by JohnHunt:

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Brett: Hunting is a valuable conservation tool.
Lion Aid: An elephant was once poached in the Selous so we should crucify a hunter every hour on the hour and ban hunting.
Brett: How do you intend to combat poaching and habitat loss?
Lion Aid: That's a hard question, so I'll ignore it......PS> Hunting is stupid!
Brett:We actually spend lots of money on research, lobby for better lion conservation programs, and aid scientist in research.
Lion Aid: No you don't.
Brett: Yes we do. I financially contributed myself.
Lion Aid: Did not! Did not! Did not!

Anyone else want a turn?

Brett

haha that is so spot on.

The members of Lion Aid woke up this morning knowing the answer to the question is "end hunting", but their still waiting to see what the question is.........

Brettt

Hey Aaron and Mark, still no takers???? I am happy to come along

Brett,

They have posted your address and phone number on the Lion Aid site in a clear attempt to intimidate or scare you. Again in leue of actually discussing the merits of your arguement. Highly unusual and unprofessional for an organization purporting to be an NGO.

Dr. Kat implies that you have "libeled" them and that you might have some legal culpability.

This is a stretch by any measure on there part. What you wrote is clearly "tongue-in-cheek" and is far from rising to the level of being libelous. However ironically there posting your name, address and phone number as a means to intimidate you actually violates our own Patriot Act. And as foreign nationals it wouldn't take much more then a simple letter to the Department of Homeland Security to severely restrict there ability to visit our country. Obtaining a visa would be nearly impossible.

If you would like I can forward there contact info to you privately.

Regards,

John

Bear hunting. Deal with the respected clam doctor when I return.....

Brett

They are running so short of credible facts and arguments that they have started to sound like our Political forum! Deliberate misquotes are the first step down a slippery slope!

Does anyone know what actual field experience this guy has?

quote:

Originally posted by JohnHunt:
Brett,

They have posted your address and phone number on the Lion Aid site in a clear attempt to intimidate or scare you. Again in leue of actually discussing the merits of your argument. Highly unusual and unprofessional for an organization purporting to be an NGO.

Dr. Kat implies that you have "libeled" them and that you might have some legal culpability.

This is a stretch by any measure on there part. What you wrote is clearly "tongue-in-cheek" and is far from rising to the level of being libelous. However ironically there posting your name, address and phone number as a means to intimidate you actually violates our own Patriot Act. And as foreign nationals it wouldn't take much more then a simple letter to the Department of Homeland Security to severely restrict there ability to visit our country. Obtaining a visa would be nearly impossible.

If you would like I can forward there contact info to you privately.

Regards,

John

In honor of David Letterman.......

The top 5 reasons to be intimidated when the prominent clamologist Dr. Pieter "The Lion Whisperer" Kat threatens you with Libel are......

#5.......because he's retained the legal services of one Doug Chester Esq.!

#4.......because now I finally know how they intend to spend all the money they raise! (See 5)

#3.......because all the clamologists in your area will stop buy to egg your business after he posts the address on FaceBook!

#2.......because you know Lion Aid has already put you on double secret probation!

#1.......because the next step is calling your mom!

Anyone else want to take over?

Brett

PS. Feel free to add your own to my top 5 list!

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
They are running so short of credible facts and arguments that they have started to sound like our Political forum!

If you can't beat the message......beat the person! How sad for them......

Brett

Exactly.

They are now claiming that they are not threatening you (while leaving your personal contact info posted). However it is of little difference whether Dr. Kat throws eggs at your house directly or one of the zealots on the site does it for them. The message is clear. We do not like this guy and his views, here is is his contact info, don't tell us what you plan to do. They are still culpable.

While I find it an admirable quality to debate this issue with Lion Aid, I fail to see the reason, or even the logic in placing yourself, your possessions and potentially even you loved ones in danger, to debate an issue that the two sides are completely polar on.

I would equate this as to debating the holocaust with the Iranians, Where do you even start the conversation? Common ground will NEVER exist. Their definition is, and will always be that we discontinue killing the flavor of the month.

But like I said, I appreciate the effort. Just be careful.

Steve

quote:

Originally posted by Nganga:
But like I said, I appreciate the effort. Just be careful.

Thank you for your concern Steve! I agree that they believe what they believe and will not be swayed. That said it's somewhat fun to see them squirm when they are faced with truth.

Brett

These people are counter culture, anarchist's, occupy wall street types. They will militantly use every legal and illegal means to stop what they deem to be illegal or unethical hunting. We on the other hand are productive tax paying members of a civil and peaceful society. They know this and understand that. They don't care about going to jail for a cause they think is worthy.

Just look at these Whale War loons, they circumnavigate the earth, just looking for a fight, they willingly look at being incarcerated as some sort of a badge of honor.

You have more to loose than they do, they use that as a hammer against society.

Steve,

The point in engaging these zealots in debate is not to change their mind but to let the vast majority know who are not committed anti hunters that there is another and very logical way to look at protecting the lion or whatwever as you say is the "flavor of the month".

Mark

I appreciate the message of concern fielded by Steve but if no hunter stands up to voice the conservation benefit of sustained harvest then the leaders on Lion aid and such groups will simply fleece the "Sheeple" out of their donation dollars all the while using us and our hunting heritage as the falsely represented fund raising tool.

If only those dollars actually went to the people presently co-existing with wild Lions giving the Lion its ability to pay its way a donation would be worthwhile. Unfortunately those dollars donated do little more than support the lifestyle of people requesting the donations.

Mark,
Yep, can't argue that, my point is, and has always been, fight them directly, and not to engage in useless debate, it gives them sympathy with the Facebook, youth oriented people who have had the "hunter gatherer" instinct bred from them. A debate with an anti-hunting or anti-gun individual or group is counterproductive. We as civil people will always feel that "if we can just convince the convincible" we can put one in the win column.

Compromise is the word they like. I call it incremental loss, like the NRA giving a little to keep a lot. The anti's will gain incrementally and before we know what happened, we cant kill, Lions, Jumbo's, Leopards, Bongo's LDE's, Sable, and the like.

Whether we win or loose, I feel the way forward is direct engagement in Africa, with the Governments. The Golden Rule $$.

This exercise is exactly the reason Randall, (CHC) is wise beyond his words. He understands how counterproductive useless spats between likeminded people are, and how they can foul our own collective nests'.

The potential financial power of this forum and other, all used in a positive, focused manner rather than the petty squabbling I read on here daily, is what we need to keep Africa a viable resource for not just us, but our heirs and future generations of Americans.

I am going to Australia in a few weeks, the GIGANTIC and sheer repetitive stupidity of the paperwork, permits and licenses to bring in a firearm is where we are all going if we can't turn the tide of this attitude we are facing. Make no mistake, Firearms into Australia and Lions in TZ, are the same fight.

We are fighting a specific mindset.

Good thread, I've enjoyed reading and participating in it.

Steve

They have deleted Brett's contact info and have been silent for a bit over there. I suspect Dr. Kat is having a bit of a conversation with his minions. For his own credibility he should probably post under his own alias.

Oh dear, my post (couldn't help myself) was deleted and I have been banished from Lion Aid.
Simply because I called him a coward...So much for being honest.
Maybe he is trying to figure how to take legal action against a Zimbabwean...

Welcome to the club David.



John

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:
Oh dear, my post (couldn't help myself) was deleted and I have been banished from Lion Aid.
Simply because I called him a coward...So much for being honest.
Maybe he is trying to figure how to take legal action against a Zimbabwean...

David,

If you are loosing sleep over this mate then try half a glass of whiskey before sundown.

Mike McFall and Brett are also in the club. Ashok is just a post away from joining IMO.

They have shown how immature they are as an organization over the last few days. By purporting to discuss lion conservation and when it doesn't go there way they attack the user and ultimately deleting them.

Conversely AR members provided reasonable and cogent arguements in support of there views and did not "take the bait" to degenerate the conversation.

It is sad when someone with the education required to get a Phd and years of experience doing scientific research steps away from that and lowers themselves to what Lion Aid is becoming.

John

Here's another angle:

Those of you that have made the time to debate on the LionAid page, why don't you start a new Page called "Stop LionAid Now" or something similar and place all your factual posts against their arguments there? This way your posts won't get deleted and any one doing a related search on LionAid should end up viewing this page too.

I was thinking the same until I checked there performance stats. Turns out they have about 35 people a week checking out there site EXCEPT for when sport trophy hunters contribute. Then it spikes the usage up over a hundred.

They need us to keep the spark alive amongst there zealots. If we check out they will have a much more difficult time getting traction. Ironically by banning us they are hurting themselves in the process. Another indication of there immaturity as an NGO.

Frankly I think Dr. Kat knows that he isn't getting a lot of traction for his efforts. He knows that attendance at his big conference was a complete failure (our local zoo has more lions then one of the attending country's) When he has to write a puff piece on meeting the head of interpol by chance at a school graduation ceremony they they are hitting near bottom.

Maybe he will return to the science of lion conservation and rejoin his peers in forging a lion policy on concensus (his and others, not just his). Until then he is turning himself into a bit of a joke. Losing his hard earned dignitas.

quote:

Originally posted by JohnHunt:
I was thinking the same until I checked there performance stats. Turns out they have about 35 people a week checking out there site EXCEPT for when sport trophy hunters contribute. Then it spikes the usage up over a hundred.

They need us to keep the spark alive amongst there zealots. If we check out they will have a much more difficult time getting traction. Ironically by banning us they are hurting themselves in the process. Another indication of there immaturity as an NGO.

Frankly I think Dr. Kat knows that he isn't getting a lot of traction for his efforts. He knows that attendance at his big conference was a complete failure. When he has to write a puff piece on meeting the head of interpol by chance at a school graduation ceremony they they are hitting near bottom.

Maybe he will return to the science of lion conservation and rejoin his peers in forging a lion policy on concensus (his and others, not just his). Until then he is turning himself into a bit of a joke. Losing his hard earned dignitas.

JohnHunt,
That is my exact point, why engage when all it does is rally their troops. We need to just STFU, and continue our hunting, conservation efforts.

Steve

I gues the idea of Lions dying of AIDS didn't make Lionaid enough cash

He must be hoping blaming hunter/conservationists is more profitable.


"They have concluded that lion AIDS is much more significant than previously believed.

During their research they identified 104 cubs born within the prides but fewer than 10 reached adulthood.

The pair are setting up a charity in Britain, Lion Aid, to seek funding for a field laboratory at their camp to try to build up a clearer understanding of the virus."

I finally went and check out Lion Aid's website and facebook page and they are pretty pathetic. If you say anything on their facebook page that does not fit in their scheme of things they ban you and delete all related posts.

I see they claim to be a not for profit organization but I can't find on their website or facebook page what % of the donation actually go to lion conservation. My bet that this is just another one of these typical "animal lovers" organization that 90% of donations go to administrative expenses (you know salaries and benefits) and only maybe 10% of donations actually go to what they claim to be all about.

A few weeks ago down in the conservation forum, I asked if anyone had any financial info on Lion Aid. Nobody responded and with this last nonsense they did with Aaron’s web site, I decided to see what I could turn up on the Internet. Simply took the position of asking questions I would ask if I were a potential donor, or investor in a company or background checking a potential employee. In other words – normal due diligence. All I did was use the Internet and several search engines to see what public information was openly available via government sites and news articles and various web sites.

I started with trying to find out if Lion Aid is actually a registered charity in the UK – It is. As a condition of being a registered charity, they have an obligation to report their financial info to the UK government annually. I found two web sites that listed simple summaries of the organizations financial status they themselves reported to the UK government.

Company Check - UK
Companies In The UK

Surfing through the various links contained on these two sites you can see from the first link, the publicly reported summery, as of May 31, 2011 but not reported until February 29, 2012, Lion Aid Ltd reported a negative net worth of 12,008 pounds and only 500 pounds cash. Pretty slim for a “Leading Organization” of any kind.

Both sites include lists of current and past “Directors” at or near the bottom of the pages. First was Ms. MacSween and was directed to this page within the UK Company Check site. Ms. MacSween It shows that is she has, or has had, Directorships or Secretary positions in 16 different UK registered companies, 13 of which have been “Dissolved”, one of which she resigned her Directorship, and maintains current Director status on two companies listed as “Active” by the UK, Lion Aid Ltd and one named Dynamic Business Management Ltd.

Clicking on the Dynamic Business Management Ltd link takes you to this page. Dynamic Business Management Ltd According to this site, Dynamic Business Management Ltd has zero assets and zero debt and zero net worth. Clicking on the subsequent links to other businesses she was a Director on, they all list a guy by the name of a Mr. Cameron Angus Charles MacSween. A Goggle search of this name turned up this new article Dover Newspaper Art According to this article he and Christine were married at the time the article was published – July 23, 2010.

I went back and did a Goggle search on Ms. MacSween and came up with this LinkedIn Bio. C. MacSween Bio. I printed it out as a PDF file so that the info was captured for posterity. As a person who is an accountant and is a“Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Management Accountants”, she seems to have had a pretty unsuccessful or just unlucky business track record.

I am guessing the two other Directors listed with the last name “MacSween” might be Christine’s kids as all the Internet turns up on them are associations to Lion Aid Ltd.

I do find it curious that the address listed for Lion Aid Ltd and Dynamic Business Management Ltd are the same and it appears to be a residence in a residential area.

Companies at 16 CT

As just some general Goggleing and surfing I found this UK published article. At first I didn’t understand the Goggle link between the lady in this article and our good doctor until after the mid way point in the article – makes one wonder who actually founded the original Lion Aid. I won’t spoil the surprise; you’ll have to read the entire article.
Dailymail Art. It also mentions at the bottom the termination of the good doctor's research permit in Botswana, but might cause inquiring minds to wonder if there was more to it then stated and if it has any relevance? Botswana First Lion Workshop

A Goggle search for “Dr. Pieter W. Kat” and Pieter W. Kat, PHD and peer reviewed and published scientific papers was somewhat hit and miss. One site claimed he had published “more than 70” papers and reports. Seems like those that were published/peer reviewed he was listed as one of the collaborators, mostly on mollusks, Grants Gazelles, and wild dogs. The lion papers seemed to be all self published via his wed site and if they run that like they do the FB page, any negative peer review/comments are probably just deleted. It also seems that his “research” on Lions is generally only accepted without question by the ARA and anti hunting communities. I wonder why Dr. Packer and Dr. White etc., or other equally “accredited” scientists who have spent their entire careers and academic studies in lion research don’t make comments on his sites? Anyway…..I encourage others to Goggle away. Maybe others will find additionally intriguing info on Lion Aid to add to the collection.

quote:

Originally posted by m3taco:
A few weeks ago down in the conservation forum, I asked if anyone had any financial info on Lion Aid. Nobody responded and with this last nonsense they did with Aaron’s web site, I decided to see what I could turn up on the Internet. Simply took the position of asking questions I would ask if I were a potential donor, or investor in a company or background checking a potential employee. In other words – normal due diligence. All I did was use the Internet and several search engines to see what public information was openly available via government sites and news articles and various web sites.

I started with trying to find out if Lion Aid is actually a registered charity in the UK – It is. As a condition of being a registered charity, they have an obligation to report their financial info to the UK government annually. I found two web sites that listed simple summaries of the organizations financial status they themselves reported to the UK government.

Company Check - UK
Companies In The UK

Surfing through the various links contained on these two sites you can see from the first link, the publicly reported summery, as of May 31, 2011 but not reported until February 29, 2012, Lion Aid Ltd reported a negative net worth of 12,008 pounds and only 500 pounds cash. Pretty slim for a “Leading Organization” of any kind.

Both sites include lists of current and past “Directors” at or near the bottom of the pages. First was Ms. MacSween and was directed to this page within the UK Company Check site. Ms. MacSween It shows that is she has, or has had, Directorships or Secretary positions in 16 different UK registered companies, 13 of which have been “Dissolved”, one of which she resigned her Directorship, and maintains current Director status on two companies listed as “Active” by the UK, Lion Aid Ltd and one named Dynamic Business Management Ltd.

Clicking on the Dynamic Business Management Ltd link takes you to this page. Dynamic Business Management Ltd According to this site, Dynamic Business Management Ltd has zero assets and zero debt and zero net worth. Clicking on the subsequent links to other businesses she was a Director on, they all list a guy by the name of a Mr. Cameron Angus Charles MacSween. A Goggle search of this name turned up this new article Dover Newspaper Art According to this article he and Christine were married at the time the article was published – July 23, 2010.

I went back and did a Goggle search on Ms. MacSween and came up with this LinkedIn Bio. C. MacSween Bio. I printed it out as a PDF file so that the info was captured for posterity. As a person who is an accountant and is a“Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Management Accountants”, she seems to have had a pretty unsuccessful or just unlucky business track record.

I am guessing the two other Directors listed with the last name “MacSween” might be Christine’s kids as all the Internet turns up on them are associations to Lion Aid Ltd.

I do find it curious that the address listed for Lion Aid Ltd and Dynamic Business Management Ltd are the same and it appears to be a residence in a residential area. Companies at 16 CT fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&q=16+SALISBURY+ROAD+DOVER+KENT+CT16+1EU&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x47debad5d7891f25:0x10c07b1bed85e137,16+Salisbury+Rd,+Dover+CT16+1EU,+UK&gl=us&ei=EMG-T8GRFIiA2gXlgN25Cg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ8gEwAA" target="_blank">Lion Aid Goggle Reported Address

As just some general Goggleing and surfing I found this UK published article. At first I didn’t understand the Goggle link between the lady in this article and our good doctor until after the mid way point in the article – makes one wonder who actually founded the original Lion Aid. I won’t spoil the surprise; you’ll have to read the entire article.
Dailymail Art. It also mentions at the bottom the termination of the good doctor's research permit in Botswana, but might cause inquiring minds to wonder if there was more to it then stated and if it has any relevance? [URL=http://www.africanconservation.org/forum/research-articles-reports-talks/6619-botswana-holds-first-national-lion-workshop ]Botswana First National Lion Workshop[/URL]

A Goggle search for “Dr. Pieter W. Kat” and Pieter W. Kat, PHD and peer reviewed and published scientific papers was somewhat hit and miss. One site claimed he had published “more than 70” papers and reports. Seems like those that were published/peer reviewed he was listed as one of the collaborators, mostly on mollusks, Grants Gazelles, and wild dogs. The lion papers seemed to be all self published via his wed site and if they run that like they do the FB page, any negative peer review/comments are probably just deleted. It also seems that his “research” on Lions is generally only accepted without question by the ARA and anti hunting communities. I wonder why Dr. Packer and Dr. White etc., or other equally “accredited” scientists who have spent their entire careers and academic studies in lion research don’t make comments on his sites? Anyway…..I encourage others to Goggle away. Maybe others will find additionally intriguing info on Lion Aid to add to the collection.

M3taco,
Truly an outstanding effort. It only goes to substantiate what I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, If WE want to save lion hunting, the African governments will need to see more financial impact from us, the hunting lobby that them, the anti hunting lobby. Accurate Reloading has to date 42790 members, granted most are not active but 42790 members none the less.

How many members does 24 hour have? how about African hunting? perhaps 100,000 all total? how much would YOU donate directly as a conservation donation to the Tanzanian Game dept. 10.00? 50.00? 100.00 perhaps, you do the math. Lion Aid has 500 measly dollars. We as a loose group of hunters need to stop the pissing match's and stop this insane bullshit with our $$$$

Curriculum Vitae: Pieter W. Kat
DOB - 27 January, 1954
Citizenship – Netherlands
Education:
1971-1975 University of Rochester, NY BS (Biology/Geology)
1975-1978 University of Delaware, DE MS (Marine Biology)
1979 Johns Hopkins University, MD MA (Ecology & Evolution)
1979-1983 Johns Hopkins University, MD PhD (Ecology & Evolution)
Experience:
1984-1993 Head, Department of Malacology & Genetics, National Museums of
Kenya, Nairobi and Senior Research Scientist, Biology Section
1988-1990 Advisor, Global Environment Small Grants Program, UNEP
1993-1994 Research Scientist, Veterinary School, University of California,
Davis
1994-1995 Research Scientist, US Centers for Disease Control, Atlanta
1995-2006 Director, Okavango Lion Research Program, Botswana
Partial publication list:
Kat PW. 1981. Shell shape changes in Gastropoda: shell decollation in Rumina
decollata (Pulmonata: Subulinidae). Veliger 24(2):115-119.
Kat PW. 1982. Effects of population density and substratum type on growth and
migration of Elliptio complanata (Bivalvia: Unionidae). Malacol. Rev.15:119-27.
Kat PW. 1982. Relationship between heterozygosity for enzyme loci and
developmental homeostasis in peripheral populations of aquatic bivalves
(Unionidae). Amer. Nat. 119: 824-832.
Kat PW. 1982. Reproduction in a peripheral population of Cyrenoida floridana
(Bivalvia: Cyrenoididae). Malacologia 23: 47-54.
Kat PW. 1982. Shell dissolution as a significant cause of mortality for Corbicula
fluminea (Bivalvia, Corbiculidae) inhabiting acidic waters. Malacol. Rev. 15: 129-
134.
Kat PW. 1983. Genetic and morphological divergence among nominal species of
North American Anodonta (Bivalvia, Unionidae). Malacologia 23: 361-374.
Kat PW. 1983. Sexual selection and simultaneous hermaphroditism among the
Unionidae (Bivalvia: Mollusca). J. Zool., Lond. 201: 395-416.
Kat PW. 1983. Conchiolin layers among the Unionidae and Margeritiferidae
(Bivalvia) – microstructural characteristics and taxonomic implications.
Malacologia 24: 298-311.
Kat PW. 1983. Fossil evidence from Fish House clays for the origin and changes
in species composition through time of the northern Atlantic Slope Unionid fauna
(Mollusca: Bivalvia). Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. Phil. 135: 85-101.
Kat PW. 1983. Morphological divergence, genetics, and speciation among
Lampsilis (Bivalvia, Unionidae). J. Moll. Stud. 49: 133-145
Kat PW. 1983. Patterns of electrophoretic and morphological variation in a widely
distributed unionid – an initial survey. Neth. J. Zool 33: 21-40.
Kat PW, GM Davis. 1984. Molecular genetics of peripheral populations of Nova
Scotian Unionidae (Mollusca, Bivalvia). Biol. J. Linn Soc. 22: 157-185.
Kat PW. 1984. Parasitism and the Unionacea (Bivalvia). Biol. Rev. 59: 189-207.
Kat PW, GM Davis 1984. Speciation of mollusks from Turkana basin. Nature
304: 660-661.
Signor PW III, PW Kat. 1984. Functional significance of columellar folds in
turritelliform gastropods. J. Paleontol. 58: 210–216
Kat PW. 1985. Historical evidence for fluctuation in levels of hybridization.
Evolution 39: 1164-1169.
Kat PW. 1985. Convergence in bivalve conchiolin layer microstructure. Malacol.
Rev. 18: 97-106.
Kat PW. 1986. Hybridization in a unionid faunal suture zone. Malacologia 27:
107-125.
Kat PW. 1987. Biogeography and evolution of African freshwater mollusks:
implications of a Miocene assemblage from Rusinga Island, Kenya.
Palaeontology 30: 733-742.
Fuller, TK, AR Biknevicius, PW Kat. 1988. Home range of an African wild cat,
Felis silvestris (Schreber) near Elmenteita, Kenya. Z. Säugetierk. 53:380-381.
Wayne, RK, B Van Valkenburgh, PW Kat, TK Fuller, WE Johnson, SJ O’Brien.
1989. Genetic and morphologic divergence among sympatric canids. J. Hered.
80: 447-454.
Fuller TK, AR Biknevicius, PW Kat, BV Valkenburgh, RK Wayne. 1989. The
ecology of three sympatric jackal species in the Rift Valley of Kenya. Afr. J. Ecol.
27: 313-323.
Wayne, RK, B Van Valkenburgh, PW Kat, TK Fuller, WE Johnson, SJ O’Brien.
1989. Genetic and morphologic divergence among sympatric canids. J. Hered.
80: 447-454.
Wayne RK, A Meyer, N Lehman, B Van Valkenburg, PW Kat, TK Fuller, D
Girman, SJ O'Brien. 1990. Large sequence divergence among mitochondrial
DNA genotypes within populations of east African black-backed jackals. Proc.
Natl.Acad.Sci USA 87: 1772-1776.
Fuller TK, PW Kat. 1990. Movements, activity and prey relationships of African
wild dogs (Lycaon pictus) near Aitong, southwestern Kenya. Afr. J. Ecol. 28: 330-
350.
Georgiadis N, PW Kat. 1990. Gnu races across the Rift Valley. Swara 25: 21-23
Georgiadis N, PW Kat, H Oketch, J Patton. 1990. Allozyme divergence within the
Bovidae. Evolution 44: 2135-2149.
Fuller TK, AR Biknevicius, PW Kat. 1990. Movements and behavior of large
spotted genets (Genetta maculata Gray 1830) near Elmenteita, Kenya
(Mammalia Viverridae). Trop. Zool. 3: 13-19.
Kat PW, S Njuguna, J Grootenhuis. 1990. Wildlife research for sustainable
development. Swara 26: 12-14.
Grootenhuis, JG, SG Njuguna, PW Kat. (Eds) 1991. Wildlife Research for
Sustainable Development: Proceedings of an International Conference held by
the Kenya Agricultural Institute. Nairobi.
Michel AE, AS Cohen, KA West, MR Johnston, PW Kat. 1992. Large African
Lakes as Natural Laboratories for Evolution: Examples from the Endemic
Gastropod Fauna of Lake Tanganyika. Mitt. Internat. Verein. Limnol.23:85-99.
Fuller, TK, PW Kat, JB Bulger, AH Maddock, JR Ginsberg, R Burrows, JW
McNutt, MGL Mills. 1992. Population dynamics of African wild dogs. In: Wildlife
2001: Populations (Ed. D.R.Mc-Cullough & H.Barrett), London: Elsevier Science
Publishers.
Alexander, KA, PW Kat 1992. African wild dog distribution in Kenya. Workshop
on the Conservation & Recovery of the African Wild Dog, Lycaon pictus, Arusha,
Tanzania.
Fuller TK, MGL Mills, M Borner, K Laurenson, PW Kat 1992. Long distance
dispersal by African wild dogs in East and South Africa. J. Afr. Zool. 106: 535-
537.
Alexander, KA, PA Conrad, IA Gardner, C Parish, M Appel, MG Levy, N. Lerche,
PW Kat. 1993. Serologic survey for selected microbial pathogens in African wild
dogs (Lycaon pictus) and sympatric domestic dogs (Canis familiaris) in Masai
Mara, Kenya. J. Zoo Wildl.Med. 24: 140-144.
Girman, DJ, PW Kat, MG Mills, JR Ginsberg, M Borner, V Wilson, JH Fanshawe,
C Fitzgibbon, LM Lau, RK Wayne. 1993. Molecular genetic and morphological
analyses of the African wild dog (Lycaon pictus). J. Hered. 84: 450-459.
Alexander KA, NJ MacLachlan, PW Kat, C House, SJ O’Brien, NW Lerche, M.
Sawyer, LG Frank, K. Holekamp, L. Smale et al. 1994. Evidence of natural
bluetongue virus infection among African carnivores. Am. J. Trop. Med. Hyg. 51:
568-576.
Alexander KA, PW Kat, RK Wayne, TK Fuller. 1994. Serologic survey of selected
canine pathogens among free-ranging jackals in Kenya. J. Wildl. Dis. 30: 486-
491.
Alexander KA, PW Kat, LG Frank, KE Holekamp, L Smale, C. House, MJG
Appel. 1995. Evidence of canine distemper virus infection among free-ranging
spotted hyenas (Crocuta crocuta) in the Masai Mara, Kenya. J. Zoo Wildl. Med.
26 201-206.
Kat PW, KA Alexander, JS Smith, L Munson. 1995. Rabies and African wild dogs
in Kenya. Proc. Biol. Sci. 262: 229-233.
Alexander KA, PW Kat, J House, C House, SJ O’Brien, MK Laurenson, JW
McNutt, BI Osburn. 1995. African horse sickness and African carnivores. J. Vet.
Microbiol. 47: 133-140.
Osburn BI, PW Kat. 1995. Orbiviruses in Southern Africa and North America: a
comparative overview. In: Joint Southern African – United States Orbivirus
Workshop. Strategies for Orbivirus Research, Control and Trade for the Year
2000.
Fuller TK, TH Nicholls, PW Kat. 1995. Prey and estimated food consumption of
African wild dogs in Kenya. S. Afr. J. Wildl. Res. 25: 106-110.
Ginsberg, JR, KA Alexander, S Creel, PW Kat, JW McNutt, MGL Mills. 1995.
Handling and survivorship of African wild dog (Lycaon pictus) in five ecosystems.
Cons. Biol. 9: 665-674
Kat PW, KA Alexander, JS Smith, JD Richardson, L. Munson. 1996. Rabies
among African wild dogs (Lycaon pictus) in the Masai Mara, Kenya. J. Vet.
Diagn. Invest. 8: 420-426.
Alexander, KA, PW Kat, LA Munson, A Kalake, MJG Appel. 1996. Canine
distemper-related mortality among wild dogs (Lycaon pictus) in Chobe National
Park, Botswana. J. Zoo Wildl. Med. 27: 426-427.
House, C, KA Alexander, PW Kat, SJ O’Brien, J Mangiafico. 1996. Serum
antibody to Rift Valley fever virus in African carnivores. Ann. NY Acad. Sci.
791:345-9.
Arctander, P, PW Kat, RA Aman, HR Siegismund. 1996. Extreme genetic
differences among populations of Gazella granti, Grant’s gazelle, in Kenya.
Heredity 76: 465-475.
House, C, KA Alexander, PW Kat, SJ O’Brien, J. Mangiafico. 1996. Serum
antibody to Rift Valley fever virus in African carnivores. Ann. NY Acad. Sci. 791:
345-349.
Arctander, P, PW Kat, BT Simonsen, HR Siegismund.1996. Population genetics
of Kenyan impalas - consequences for conservation. In Wayne, R.K. & Smith,
T.B. (eds.) Molecular genetics in conservation. Oxford University Press, Oxford.
Kat PW, C Harvey. 2000. Prides: The Lions of Moremi. Washington, DC:
Smithsonian Institution Press.
Girman DJ, C. Vila, E. Geffen, S. Creel, MG Mills, JW McNutt, J Ginsberg, PW
Kat, KH Mamiya, RK Wayne. 2001. Patterns of population subdivision, gene flow
and genetic variability in the African wild dog (Lycaon pictus). Mo.l Ecol. 10:1703-
1723.
Kat PW 2002. Male movements, territories, and lion mortality in the Okavango
region. Proceedings of the National Strategic Conference on Predator
Conservation and Management. KCS and DWNP, Gaborone, Botswana.
Lorenzen ED, BT Simonsen, PW Kat, P Arctander, HR Siegismund. 2006.
Hybridization between subspecies of waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus) in zones
of overlap with limited introgression. Mol. Ecol.
Nicholls K, JL Ward, PW Kat. African lion trophy hunting policy cannot be based
on a site-specific model. Submitted, J. Zool., Lond.
Nicholls K, JL Brown, PW Kat. Reproduction in free-ranging lions (Panthera leo)
assessed by fecal steroid analysis. Submitted Cons. Biol.