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Originally posted by larryshores:
It might be fun antagonizing those foaming at the mouth whack jobs.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Aaron:

Post these idiots e mail address. We should send them a ton of e mails.

This sounds like fun!

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Originally posted by jolouburn:
Aaron,

Is this response not just a little bit childish? Lowering yourself to the level of someone abusing you for your life choices i thought was beneath you!
I have placed a warning on FB that you intend to share the email of those contacting you with members of this forum. It is their choice then whether they feel strongly enough to still contact you.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Jo, I believe we have been through all of this before. Judging by your Lion-Aid page, the childish posting of my website originated from your organization, not myself.

I also don't recall emailing this goofball, with vulgar language and the only rhetoric ever displayed by grossly uneducated anti-hunters, which is personal attacks, name calling, empty threats, and the like. But, considering it's the only argument one has against legal/legit hunting, I guess we can't expect much more.

Your organization ignores the foremost lion experts in the world, to include Dr. Packer, Dr. White, Dr. Begg, Dr. Hunter, etc - who ALL agree that regulated, controlled and selective hunting/harvesting of the African Lion has it's rightful/necessary place in prolonging the longevity of the wild lion. But, like most bleeding heart liberals, your organization chooses to never let facts get in the way of a good cause! A cause driven strictly by emotion, and little else.

When the aforementioned experts (who you know darn good and well i have talked to them all) tell me that the best/only way forward for the lion is to discontinue lion hunting all together, I'll join Lion-Aid and rally for the cause, and that's a promise. Until then, I will champion the factual/scientific - conservation minded efforts for the lion, and you folks can play on the sympathy of the grossly uneducated, blind by choice to the facts, liberals who must have a cause to justify their worth.

Unlike most, I can argue legit points/facts, relate my experience across all of southern/eastern Africa, while spending hundreds of days hunting, observing and even studying the lion with Dr. White (in the field) more so than anyone you could ever find. I've personally seen firsthand the benefits to the lion/ other species in managed/conserved hunting blocks, and I've personally seen what wildlife destruction takes places when a once thriving wildlife population is lost, to encroachment, poaching and the likes. I've witnessed lions killed in snares, have you? I've returned years later to areas that once held lions and other game, only to see hoards of people, and the habitat/wildlife completely gone!

I tried my best to help educate you, regardless of your personal feelings, but your emotion wouldn't allow you to clearly see the facts. When you've spent the past 17 yrs in every single country where the lion still remains in generally good numbers, and have seen what I've seen, then maybe you would have a greater appreciation for my position. Your heart is good, your choice of action however, is blinded by emotion, period!

If you wish to prove me wrong, then get real experts listed above to state clearly, that they whole heartedly agree - lion hunting should be closed all across the African continent, and this will be the way forward for all wild lions. Let me see them say that controlled/legal/conservation minded lion hunting is nothing but a detriment to wild lions, then I'll join your team.

You know, just as I, hunting is what you target, because the real problem is something that will garner you no support. To close hunting, is a much easier feat, than to control millions of Africans, their governments, and their corrupt ways, which all do nothing for the lion other than destroy him, the game he needs, and the environment in which he needs to thrive.

I told you once before, you are invited with me to Africa, and I will show you in person - exactly what I am talking about. You can see, and judge for yourself, what takes place outside of tightly controlled national parks, and the battle that hunter/conservationists are fighting all the time. I'll show you what 150 dead animals look like, loaded up in barrels, headed to town, for the illegal/commercial poaching trade, cause I've seen it with my own two eyes!!! I'll introduce you to Dr. Paula White, and you listen to what she has to say, from a trained scientific expert who has spent the past 7 yrs operating the ZAMBIAN LION PROJECT. A project funded almost exclusively by conservation minded hunting organizations, because they care about the longevity of the lion.

So, it's really up to you and LIONAID. Come and experience it for yourself, or use emotional rhetoric to further your cause? My offer stands.

As I am not on FACEBOOK, I hope you post this message, I really do.

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Below is the first intelligent message I just got. Man, these folks are really evolved.


Hello Dickhead, just to let you know that the whole planet is going to shut you down. Your life is worth shit so do everyone a favor and suck on your riffle HaHa.

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Originally posted by jolouburn:
Aaron,

Is this response not just a little bit childish? Lowering yourself to the level of someone abusing you for your life choices i thought was beneath you!
I have placed a warning on FB that you intend to share the email of those contacting you with members of this forum. It is their choice then whether they feel strongly enough to still contact you.

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Originally posted by jolouburn:
Aaron,

Is this response not just a little bit childish? Lowering yourself to the level of someone abusing you for your life choices I thought was beneath you!
I have placed a warning on FB that you intend to share the email of those contacting you with members of this forum. It is their choice then whether they feel strongly enough to still contact you.

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Originally posted by jolouburn:


As for my beliefs on conservation i'm still researching when i can and will sit on the fence for now. Such an important issue cannot be rushed and my decision on where i stand will be an educated, rational one.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Jo, I believe we have been through all of this before. Judging by your Lion-Aid page, the childish posting of my website originated from your organization, not myself.

I also don't recall emailing this goofball, with vulgar language and the only rhetoric ever displayed by grossly uneducated anti-hunters, which is personal attacks, name calling, empty threats, and the like. But, considering it's the only argument one has against legal/legit hunting, I guess we can't expect much more.

Your organization ignores the foremost lion experts in the world, to include Dr. Packer, Dr. White, Dr. Begg, Dr. Hunter, etc - who ALL agree that regulated, controlled and selective hunting/harvesting of the African Lion has it's rightful/necessary place in prolonging the longevity of the wild lion. But, like most bleeding heart liberals, your organization chooses to never let facts get in the way of a good cause! A cause driven strictly by emotion, and little else.

When the aforementioned experts (who you know darn good and well i have talked to them all) tell me that the best/only way forward for the lion is to discontinue lion hunting all together, I'll join Lion-Aid and rally for the cause, and that's a promise. Until then, I will champion the factual/scientific - conservation minded efforts for the lion, and you folks can play on the sympathy of the grossly uneducated, blind by choice to the facts, liberals who must have a cause to justify their worth.

Unlike most, I can argue legit points/facts, relate my experience across all of southern/eastern Africa, while spending hundreds of days hunting, observing and even studying the lion with Dr. White (in the field) more so than anyone you could ever find. I've personally seen firsthand the benefits to the lion/ other species in managed/conserved hunting blocks, and I've personally seen what wildlife destruction takes places when a once thriving wildlife population is lost, to encroachment, poaching and the likes. I've witnessed lions killed in snares, have you? I've returned years later to areas that once held lions and other game, only to see hoards of people, and the habitat/wildlife completely gone!

I tried my best to help educate you, regardless of your personal feelings, but your emotion wouldn't allow you to clearly see the facts. When you've spent the past 17 yrs in every single country where the lion still remains in generally good numbers, and have seen what I've seen, then maybe you would have a greater appreciation for my position. Your heart is good, your choice of action however, is blinded by emotion, period!

If you wish to prove me wrong, then get real experts listed above to state clearly, that they whole heartedly agree - lion hunting should be closed all across the African continent, and this will be the way forward for all wild lions. Let me see them say that controlled/legal/conservation minded lion hunting is nothing but a detriment to wild lions, then I'll join your team.

You know, just as I, hunting is what you target, because the real problem is something that will garner you no support. To close hunting, is a much easier feat, than to control millions of Africans, their governments, and their corrupt ways, which all do nothing for the lion other than destroy him, the game he needs, and the environment in which he needs to thrive.

I told you once before, you are invited with me to Africa, and I will show you in person - exactly what I am talking about. You can see, and judge for yourself, what takes place outside of tightly controlled national parks, and the battle that hunter/conservationists are fighting all the time. I'll show you what 150 dead animals look like, loaded up in barrels, headed to town, for the illegal/commercial poaching trade, cause I've seen it with my own two eyes!!! I'll introduce you to Dr. Paula White, and you listen to what she has to say, from a trained scientific expert who has spent the past 7 yrs operating the ZAMBIAN LION PROJECT. A project funded almost exclusively by conservation minded hunting organizations, because they care about the longevity of the lion.

So, it's really up to you and LIONAID. Come and experience it for yourself, or use emotional rhetoric to further your cause? My offer stands.

As I am not on FACEBOOK, I hope you post this message, I really do.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Guys, as you see above Jo has posted her email/phone number, please be respectful!!! I do believe her heart to be in the right place, besides, although she has frustrated all of us from time to time, I give her more credit than any of the others. She at least tried to see the other side of the coin. I do respect her for the effort.

Bwanamich makes an excellent point too. The photographic industry does/can play a vital role in lion conservation. We are NOT the only ones paying for/fighting for lion conservation. We are however the only ones paying for/fighting for lion conservation in much of Africa's wild hunting blocks. A stronghold of the lion, that cannot be lost.

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Posted 11 May 2012 18:01 Hide Post
Guys, as you see above Jo has posted her email/phone number, please be respectful!!! I do believe her heart to be in the right place, besides, although she has frustrated all of us from time to time, I give her more credit than any of the others. She at least tried to see the other side of the coin. I do respect her for the effort.

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Aaron
This ones for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBCYxInQToI