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To Michael's point-
I am a Life Benefactor Member, and have been a President's Council Member, and Golden Eagles contributor in addition to ILA and Whittington raffles.

NO MORE. And every funding request I receive I write on the contribution form: "no more contributions until WLP retires, hired officers and elected officers replaced and reorganized, Board substantially reduced to a manageable size, and age75, and TERM LIMITS placed on all positions, with ALL LITIGATION RESOLVED."... and return it in the postage paid envelope....

I will NOT be attending the Annual meeting or any Friends of NRA functions!!

We need change. I come from a long corporate career. I know what would have happened in a similar situation on a good Company!! In the event of wrong doing, you are also on the hook for your own defense!!


Look at it from our oppositions perspective.

They had us eating our own on the SCI issue. Now, here we are consuming the NRA in front of everyone to see.

Not saying anything we are doing or saying is wrong or inaccurate in any way. But here we are.

The progressives tend to circle their collective wagons when their side has warts. They won't, under any circumstances attack one of their own. Regardless how bad the optics are.



The only reason we are we are with both the NRA and SCI because of this attitude.

We have been told time and time again to "don't criticize our own organizations"

When these originations are being run by total idiots.

Whose sole purpose in life was turning the organization into their own person little banana republics.

If people listened, and the people with unacceptable behavior were replaced, we would not be where we are.

And the silly circles continue.



And what attitude exactly are you referring to?

Mine? My attitude is the problem? My post only points out that we don't need opposition, we do just fine consuming ourselves.

I actually pointed out, in my post you quoted, that there is nothing we are doing wrong or inaccurate.

I am simply pointing out facts.

To add, I resigned from the BOD of the Phoenix Chapter of SCI over my differences and I will not renew my NRA membership either...But my attitude is the problem?


Not you in particular, but many others who refuse to point out what is wrong when they see it.

Keeping quiet is what got us here.


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To Michael's point-

NO MORE. And every funding request I receive I write on the contribution form: "no more contributions until WLP retires, hired officers and elected officers replaced and reorganized, Board substantially reduced to a manageable size, and age75, and TERM LIMITS placed on all positions, with ALL LITIGATION RESOLVED."... and return it in the postage paid envelope....


I’m with you 100%. Except that we need the courts to keep the executive and legislative branches in check. So not all litigation can or should be resolved just yet.

I guess there goes my Ring of Freedom and Golden Eagles cred.

We need to reform our organization.

We need another Harlon Carter.


Mike

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Larry Poterfield came out strong and breathing fire in support of WLP.

Larry Poterfield and by extension Midway is sheltering WLP and his mismanagement of the NRA. See below.

In short, Larry can go straddle a Billy goat.

https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/nra-new-leadership/
 
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Seventy six (76) members on the board of directors!

And in the latest, June/July 2021, edition of American Rifleman, I am solicited to vote for them!?!

After all of the negligence and dereliction of duty of the past several years!

I will vote that they all fire LaPierre, reform the articles of organization and bylaws so that this never happens again, and then resign!

We need to take back our organization.


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First of all, Wayne needs to go, either on his saddle or across it. His guilt or innocence is only part of the equation. He has damaged the brand, and brought reproach on the organization. I have supported him for over 25 years, but no longer. The African hunt of nearly a decade ago was partially aired on the NRA sponsored television show, "Under Wild Skies." It was one of the best shows on television, and I watched every episode. Subsequent to the airing of that show, I encountered Wayne on the floor of a convention, and told him that I was glad that he managed to get away from his office to hunt occasionally. His reply to me was that the African trip was a PR event, not a vacation. He is NOT a dedicated hunter, as the videos show. I agree with what has been posted here, that the leaking of the elephant debacle is due to the rift between NRA leadership and their former PR firm Ackerman-McQueen, and probably others who will remain nameless. I have not attended most Friends of NRA dinners, and have donated my time as a shooting instructor, rather than my money. Larry Potterfield's Midway USA has not just donated millions to the NRA through their Roundup program, (which is a small administrative expense), but they contribute half of all their company profits to youth shooting programs. The NRA Convention in Houston will greatly benefit the businesses there, as well as the vendors. Boycotting the Convention and Midway is equivalent to the old saying, "...cutting off one's nose to spite one's face." I believe that the NRA will be placed in receivership, with a restructuring of the BofD as well. As for the late Neal Knox, he was perceived by many members to be at least partially motivated by a desire to gain access to the NRA's endowment, which at that time stood at approximately $90million. True or not, it is not for me to say, but WLP won the support of the Board. "Nuff said!"
 
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Until Potterfield is forced from his support of WLP, WLP is not going anywhere anytime soon. Leaving yesterday is too late.

Sorry, but anybody given cover to WLP needs to be thrown out with him.
 
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Don't you suppose that the NYAGs attack on NRA is being "handled"by very competent and wealthy handlers such as SOROS and BLOOMBERG??
These cases are VERY EXPENSIVE to fund, even if you are New York State, and do you think they would be pursuing these purported deeds of criminal activity on the State Budget?? I don't think so??
I too received my ballot in the JUNE/JULY AMERICAN HUNTER. I also see that MIDWAY USA is the SPONSOR of the next convention..... SOOOOOO??
I am overwhelmed with the selection of candidates we are presented with.... especially a re-nomination of Wayne Ross-
Please check this link-
http://nraontherecord.org/wayne-anthony-ross/
Also use it to check out other candidates!!
I agree with Mike on WLP and numbers on the Board, should be no more than 15, with both age 75 and 2 term limits, and a mandatory retirementage age- 65 of Exec Director, just like most US CORPORATIONS, including family dominated companies!! These changes must be made by changes of the by-laws... and we should be now starting to letter the NRA SECRETARY with voting member proposals...
That said, to start the downsizing, I am only going to vote for 10 Board Members, NO INCUMBENTS, including the current President.... and I will annotate my ballot that this is intentional and my desire intended to downsize the Board.....
DON'T GIVE UP!! WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR ORGANIZATION!!

CHEERz


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470EDDY: I couldn't agree more!


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We need CLOROX to disinfect the NRA and start from scratch!

Just like politics!


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We need CLOROX to disinfect the NRA and start from scratch!

Just like politics!


Positively Saeed!


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NRA Benefactor
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Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262
Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142
Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007
16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409
Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311
Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941
10 days in the Stormberg Mountains
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322
Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson

Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......

"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
 
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Don't you suppose that the NYAGs attack on NRA is being "handled"by very competent and wealthy handlers such as SOROS and BLOOMBERG??
These cases are VERY EXPENSIVE to fund, even if you are New York State, and do you think they would be pursuing these purported deeds of criminal activity on the State Budget?? I don't think so??
I too received my ballot in the JUNE/JULY AMERICAN HUNTER. I also see that MIDWAY USA is the SPONSOR of the next convention..... SOOOOOO??
I am overwhelmed with the selection of candidates we are presented with.... especially a re-nomination of Wayne Ross-
Please check this link-
http://nraontherecord.org/wayne-anthony-ross/
Also use it to check out other candidates!!
I agree with Mike on WLP and numbers on the Board, should be no more than 15, with both age 75 and 2 term limits, and a mandatory retirementage age- 65 of Exec Director, just like most US CORPORATIONS, including family dominated companies!! These changes must be made by changes of the by-laws... and we should be now starting to letter the NRA SECRETARY with voting member proposals...
That said, to start the downsizing, I am only going to vote for 10 Board Members, NO INCUMBENTS, including the current President.... and I will annotate my ballot that this is intentional and my desire intended to downsize the Board.....
DON'T GIVE UP!! WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR ORGANIZATION!!

CHEERz


I hear you and agree with much of what you say. I do take exception to some.

The Board is too large. However, it will take a bylaw change for this to change. An event such as this Will not be easy to achieve nor can it be done quickly.

I think voting for 10 only will not accomplish your goal. It will accomplish nothing more than you having less of a say in matters. If every voting member only voted for 10, it won't change the size of the Board. The by laws will still say the same thing.

Without Larry Potterfield's support, like him or not, we gun owners would be in a much worse place today.
 
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Without Larry Potterfield's (and…the NRA’s) support, like him or not, we gun owners would be in a much worse place today.


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NRA’s political power is at an all time low. Clean it, purge it and start over.

Anyone who continues to support WLP is no friend of the NRA.

Larry Poterfield should be part of the solution and help remove WLP. Instead he has chosen to side with WLP. Therefore, he needs to go with him.

I will say no more on the subject.
 
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Larry,
I think you are right!!

I will eliminate the oldest incumbents including Meadows and Ross and three others to vote my will!!

I will also send a letter to the Secretary to initiate by-law changes....
* Mandatory retirement age of 65 for EX Dir, similar to most large Corporations.
* Limit the Board to 15 to make it manageable, with one celebrity and one politician included, one shooting sports icon, the rest qualified business people .... accountants, lawyers and business owners or company executives.
* Term Limits for Board Members, 2 terms or age 75.

Maybe some who know Larry Potterfield should have a sit down chat for the mutual benefit of OUR ORGANIZATION??


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Larry,
I think you are right!!

I will eliminate the oldest incumbents including Meadows and Ross and three others to vote my will!!

I will also send a letter to the Secretary to initiate by-law changes....
* Mandatory retirement age of 65 for EX Dir, similar to most large Corporations.
* Limit the Board to 15 to make it manageable, with one celebrity and one politician included, one shooting sports icon, the rest qualified business people .... accountants, lawyers and business owners or company executives.
* Term Limits for Board Members, 2 terms or age 75.

Maybe some who know Larry Potterfield should have a sit down chat for the mutual benefit of OUR ORGANIZATION??


470EDDY, I agree with you, but I also want the same in Washington.

I’m an NRA member mainly because it’s the best organized group to protect our 2A. Once again, we have infighting amongst ourselves.

Does WLP need to go? It’s about time. I missed how Larry Potterfield got bashed, but we need more like him.

Oh, I’m about to watch a Mark Sullivan video…


I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.

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Larry Potterfield got drug into this by me, because he gave a strong, endorsing National News statement in support of and defense of WLP. I linked the article.

Here is the rub. WLP ain’t going anywhere, anytime soon until the big shot donors of the NRA force the issue. As long as Larry Potterfield is giving cover to WLP, the organization cannot correct and right itself.

Also, anyone who thinks WLP needs to stay, did not thing wrong, is just a moron who does not need to be in a position of stroke within the NRA. However, money allows influence and access.

Either Larry Potterfield publicly removes support for WLP and begins working to his removal, or I will continue to state the obvious about Larry Potterfield’s association with WLP.
 
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LHeym500 is correct. The outfit NEEDS CHANGE ASAP !
 
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Fr9m all the evidence, Wayne is not desirable!

Anyone supporting him after all the negatives he has brought, must have an agenda of his own!


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Heym,....it is time to have a face to face wake up chat with Larry Potterfield!! He is a wise and reasonable man!!

We are NOT fighting amongst ourselves, we are just reading the charges and the testimony... and witnessing 9 or more Board Members resign, and two more withdraw from the election.... this isn't coming out of thin air!!

Most organizations and corporations go thru reorganizations from time to time.... it is time for NRA!!


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470Eddy:

I think we agree with each other. I add,I hope you are right.

Call me when Larry Potterfield publicly calls for WLP’s removal, and removes his support of WLP within the organization. When that happens, I will praise Larry Potterfield.
 
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Here is the Intervening Case for Members that has just been filed. This is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to NRA and all Members-

https://iapps.courts.state.ny....e2MFB7ET/H_PLUS_rQ==

As soon as I get permission, I will post the filing attorney contact information and his letter to "Friends of the NRA"

I will be personally contributing to this action. This may be our saving grace??


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470Eddy: Thank you.
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Here is an email from the filing counsel surrounding the intervening case that I posted yesterday.
I believe this is a VERY POSITIVE case that will bring Members of the NRA to the forefront and to have a SAY in the action filed by NYAG. Right now, members are NOT even recognized, let alone notified in any of this litigation!!
I am going to personally contribute to this legal pursuit that has been filed without financial support from Members or others. May I encourage you to read this and support it financially so that we ALL WILL PREVAIL for the BETTER in the end!!

From: George Douglas <georgedouglas@fastmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:40 PM
Subject: NRA New York dissolution case - motion to intervene FILED June 17, 2021
To: George Douglas <georgedouglas@fastmail.com>


Dear friends of the NRA,

You are receiving this email because you previously expressed an interest in the New York Attorney General's suit to dissolve the NRA. Earlier today we filed a motion to intervene in this case on behalf of Frank Tait, Mario Aguirre, and the rest of the NRA's 5 million members. If we are allowed to intervene we will oppose dissolution, seek to disqualify the NRA's present counsel (the Brewer firm), request that the NY Attorney General be directed to notify all NRA members of her lawsuit, and pursue the other injunctive and monetary relief detailed in our proposed answer to the AG's complaint.Â

You can view the NY electronic case file for this action with this link. There is no log-in or personal information required to view the file.
https://iapps.courts.state.ny....IBZzF/pYP8WVQ4Sfw==& ;display=all&courtType=New%20York%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1

The link is good indefinitely so anyone interested in following the case can use it to periodically view the file. Â We do not plan to maintain any sort of ongoing update list.

Our filing begins on page 4 of the case file with Doc. # 243 and goes through Doc. # 260. Our Memorandum of Law, Doc. # 244, and Proposed Answer with Counterclaims and Crossclaims, Doc. # 249, explain our position in detail. Copies of these two documents are also attached to this email, but to view the exhibits you will need to use the case link above.

Cordially,

George

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I will post the attachments in a subsequent message although I posted the first yesterday with the full document listed as Item 244 in the long list of filings....

Thank you,


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Attachment 1-

file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/2021.06.17,%20Doc%20%23%20244,%20Memorandum%20of%20Law.pdf


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Attachment # 2

file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/2021.06.17,%20Doc%20%23%20249,%20Proposed%20Answer.pdf

FYI, there has also been a legal action by a Nashville NRA Member who has been assigned as US BOARD of TRUSTEES in the NYAG action. He is a major donor and has funded this independently to obtain a voice for NRA Members.

I believe these actions show the VERY STRONG membership and donor support FOR THE SURVIVAL and VITALITY of Our Organization. If we didn't have members like this, the Organization would founder under its own weight!!

Please join me in supporting these positive and supportive endeavors against the pursuits of the NYAG and her "handlers!!"


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file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/2021.06.17,%20Doc%20%23%20249,%20Proposed%20Answer.pdf

FYI, there has also been a legal action by a Nashville NRA Member who has been assigned as US BOARD of TRUSTEES in the NYAG action. He is a major donor and has funded this independently to obtain a voice for NRA Members.

I believe these actions show the VERY STRONG membership and donor support FOR THE SURVIVAL and VITALITY of Our Organization. If we didn't have members like this, the Organization would founder under its own weight!!

Please join me in supporting these positive and supportive endeavors against the pursuits of the NYAG and her "handlers!!"


What does "assigned as US Board of Trustees" mean?

In spite of all of this, from what I am told the NRA is getting a lot of new members. I wonder what this means? Does it mean WLP still has a lot of support ? I don't pretend know.
 
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I think any NRA membership increase is due to a general fear among gun owners that the current WH policy will lead be to limit/restrict gun ownership, not to any belief in the quality of WLP leadership....


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I think any NRA membership increase is due to a general fear among gun owners that the current WH policy will lead be to limit/restrict gun ownership, not to any belief in the quality of WLP leadership....


I agree.

I've had 7 solicitation calls from the NRA in the past 2 weeks. I'm a life member but each time, told the caller, not a single cent more from me until WLP is removed or resigns.
 
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Larry,
Well, as you know, Trustees usually means the new leaders taking management reign during reorganization!!
I do not now the details but I have asked for more information as to who assigned the Trustees and their governance?? Seems early to me unless the NYAG case has been dismissed with Trustees assigned to carry on??
Interesting??


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I really don't think most NRA members have any idea of the turmoil that is going on inside or the funds that have been squandered on legal fees??!!


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Yep. I think most of the membership is clueless.


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Larry,
Well, as you know, Trustees usually means the new leaders taking management reign during reorganization!!
I do not now the details but I have asked for more information as to who assigned the Trustees and their governance?? Seems early to me unless the NYAG case has been dismissed with Trustees assigned to carry on??
Interesting??


Actually, many organizations are governed by a board of trustees in the normal course of business. In other cases, it might indicate something else. A bankruptcy trustee for example. I am curious what it means in this case.
 
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Interesting development. Thanks for the info, 470EDDY.


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New members? Yes, the NRA is spending Beaucoup of coin to solicit new members. I get constant emails, snail mail and phone calls to donate, join or buy raffle tickets. I, like many others will not post another dime until WLP is gone and the board with him. A scant few resigned when this began, wise decision as I'm not going to support anyone that remained on this sinking ship; they are not helping our organization. I do not base my decision loosely, nor on hearsay. Facts stand on their own.


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NAHC Life Member
Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer
Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262
Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142
Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007
16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409
Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
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Please join me is sending contributions to cover EXPENSES generated in the George Douglas law suit. Here is what George sent to me as to how to make out the checks-

Thank you too for whatever you send in support of this. You can mail the check to my office address below, made out to "George Douglas, Attorney". In the memo section you can put "Expense advance - NRA case", and then on the back in the endorsement section write
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Here is another pursuit lead by Tennessee NRA major donor, David Dell'Aquila, and I think deserves attention as well. Within this link you will find a well thought out transition plan, as well as a list of NRA Top "TONE DEAF" List
It is worth a read in our pursuit to Right Our Ship!!

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How the Head of the N.R.A. and His Wife Secretly Shipped Their Elephant Trophies Home

The couple had their names removed from the shipment, and placed an order for the animals’ feet to be turned into “stools,” an “umbrella stand,” and a “trash can.”

By Mike Spies

July 29, 2021


After Susan LaPierre killed an elephant in Botswana, video shows, she touched the creature’s feet and said, “A podiatrist would love working on him.”

This story was published in partnership with The Trace, a nonprofit news organization covering guns in America.

In the early fall of 2013, an export company in Botswana prepared a shipment of animal parts for Wayne LaPierre, the head of the National Rifle Association, and his wife, Susan. One of the business’s managers e-mailed the couple a list of trophies from their recent hunt and asked them to confirm its accuracy: one cape-buffalo skull, two sheets of elephant skin, two elephant ears, four elephant tusks, and four front elephant feet. Once the inventory was confirmed, the e-mail stated, “we will be able to start the dipping and packing process.” Ten days later, Susan wrote back with a request: the shipment should have no clear links to the LaPierres. She told the shipping company to use the name of an American taxidermist as “the consignee” for the items, and further requested that the company “not use our names anywhere if at all possible.” Susan noted that the couple also expected to receive, along with the elephant trophies, an assortment of skulls and skins from warthogs, impalas, a zebra, and a hyena. Once the animal parts arrived in the States, the taxidermist would turn them into decorations for the couple’s home in Virginia, and prepare the elephant skins so they could be used to make personal accessories, such as handbags.

The LaPierres felt secrecy was needed, the e-mails show, because of a public uproar over an episode of the hunting show “Under Wild Skies,” in which the host, Tony Makris, had fatally shot an elephant. The N.R.A. sponsored the program, and the couple feared potential blowback if the details of their Botswana hunt became public. Footage of their safari, which was filmed for “Under Wild Skies” and recently published by The Trace and The New Yorker, shows that Wayne had struggled to kill an elephant at close range, while Susan felled hers with a single shot and cut off its tail in jubilation. Plans to air an episode featuring the LaPierres’ hunt were cancelled.

Records obtained by The Trace and The New Yorker show that Susan leveraged the LaPierres’ status to secretly ship animal trophies from their safari to the U.S., where the couple received free taxidermy work. New York Attorney General Letitia James, who has regulatory authority over the N.R.A., is currently seeking to dissolve the nonprofit for a range of alleged abuses, including a disregard for internal controls designed to prevent self-dealing and corruption by its executives. In a complaint filed last August, James’s office asserted that trophy fees and taxidermy work “constituted private benefits and gifts in excess of authorized amounts pursuant to NRA policy to LaPierre and his wife.” The new records appear to confirm those allegations. The N.R.A.’s rules explicitly state that gifts from contractors cannot exceed two hundred and fifty dollars. The shipping and taxidermy of the Botswana trophies cost thousands, and provided no benefit to the N.R.A.—only to the LaPierres. In the complaint, James’s office alleged that the LaPierres also received improper benefits related to big-game hunting trips in countries including Tanzania, South Africa, and Argentina. The attorney general declined to comment further on the details of the case.

Taxidermy work orders containing the LaPierres’ names called for the elephants’ four front feet to be turned into “stools,” an “umbrella stand,” and a “trash can.” At their request, tusks were mounted, skulls were preserved, and the hyena became a rug. The episode represents a rare instance in which the gun group’s embattled chief executive is captured, on paper, unambiguously violating N.R.A. rules; the e-mails show that Susan directed the process while Makris’s company, Under Wild Skies Inc., which received millions of dollars from the N.R.A., picked up the tab.

Andrew Arulanandam, the N.R.A.’s managing director of public affairs, said, over e-mail, that the LaPierres’ “activity in Botswana—from more than seven years ago—was legal and fully permitted.” The couple’s safari trips, he added, were meant to “extol the benefits of hunting and promote the brand of the N.R.A. with one of its core audiences.” Moreover, he claimed, “Many of the most notable hunting trophies in question are at the N.R.A. museum or have been donated by the N.R.A. to other public attractions.”

The LaPierres’ effort to keep their taxidermy work secret spanned four months and involved multiple individuals, companies, and countries. On September 27, 2013, the shipping company in Botswana sent its first e-mail to the LaPierres and informed them that the animal parts would be sent to a different company, in Johannesburg, South Africa, before making their way to the United States. “We will be keeping you advised on the progress of this shipment as it moves along these processes,” the message said. In early October, after multiple phone calls with Susan, the American taxidermist wrote to one of the shipping agents involved in the exportation process. He explained that there had been a recent controversy involving Makris, and that the LaPierres “can not afford bad publicity and a out cry.” The taxidermist added, “That is why they are trying not to have there names show up on these shipments so the information does not fall into the wrong hands.” Two months later, the taxidermist checked in with Makris, and asked what he should do with the items once he received them. “W and Susan will tell you how they want theirs mounted,” Makris replied, before reminding the taxidermist that “they said you could handle the import discreetly.” Makris then informed the taxidermist that he would pick up the couple’s tab.


Throughout December, 2013, e-mails show that the taxidermist negotiated with both export companies on the couple’s behalf, with Susan, and also others, copied. “AS requested by the LaPierre’s in a earlier email there name and contact information is to be replaced with my name and contact information,” one note to the Botswana company read. The organization replied that trophies “can only be exported from Botswana in the name of the licensee,” and that “it’s been that way for years, and the export regulations stipulate this.” The taxidermist replied, “This request was only made by Susan and Wayne LaPierre and understand you need to follow the law were applicable.”

The taxidermist then turned his attention to the company in South Africa. On December 10th, the taxidermist told Susan that, once the hunting trophies arrived in Johannesburg, an agent would generate a new air waybill to attach to the shipment and enter the taxidermist’s name on it as the consignee, instead of the LaPierres’. When the trophies arrived in the United States and were cleared through government agencies, it would look as though they belonged to the taxidermist. “Awesome,” Susan replied.

Once the shipping crates landed in Johannesburg, another contact of the taxidermist’s drove two hours to check if the LaPierres’ names were written on the containers. When the friend discovered that they were, he scrubbed them off. In late January, 2014, the taxidermist told Susan that the shipment had arrived. “Looks like everything is here and no protestors,” he wrote.

After Susan killed the elephant in Botswana, video shows, she was fixated on the creature’s feet. As she touched them, she said, “He’s so wrinkly. . . . Wow. A podiatrist would love working on him.” Photographs of the taxidermied appendages show that the animal’s wrinkled gray skin, the light coating of hair, and the massive, cracked toenails are all preserved, and, in the case of the stools, topped with wooden rings and black leather seating pads.

The taxidermist had successfully completed a highly sensitive, laborious project. Two years later, in 2016, he reached out to Susan because he was trying to buy a boat from someone she and Wayne knew, and he hoped that Wayne could connect them. In an e-mail, the taxidermist said it was fine if she could not help, noting that “life will go on.” Still, he asked for the courtesy of a reply, one way or the other. He did not receive one.

Arulanandam, the N.R.A spokesman, alleged that “communications” with the taxidermist stopped after he “appeared to make threats against members of an N.R.A. delegation that participated in the Botswana excursion. He also sought benefits and payments to which he was not entitled.”

The taxidermist wrote a parting e-mail three months later, expressing his frustration at the lack of response. It wasn’t so long ago, he said, that Susan had “begged” him over the phone to remove the LaPierres’ names from their “harvested Elephants” and promised him “ ‘A BIG FAVOR’ ” in return. In case she had forgotten, he reminded her, “you could not afford protesters” and a “media shit storm.”


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The Trace is another rag that pursues it's own agenda, that of over stuffed drama with an anti-hunting agenda. Key words (anti-hunting) throughout the above report should sting the ears of any pro-hunting supporter. Every report posted touts the same sentiment; "show hunters/hunting in a bad light." Quoting words by Susan LaPierre is a perfect example of intent. This sideshow of their Elephant hunt really isn't the point of WLP's self serving greed and lust for power. I could care less how he and his wife handled their hunt in Botswana. I care about the NRA, it's management and performance as the #1 gun rights organization in the world. Wayne needs to go; willingly or drummed out, gone! His self serving cronies that refuse to take a stand against all the mismanagement and greed need dismissed...period. The NRA is spending millions when it could stop if WLP and board would resign and new officers and a much reduced board took over. LDK


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