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Originally posted by L. David Keith:

My friends and fellow hunters: It's all public now and if we are to save the NRA, the 2nd Amendment, hunting...we best learn how to work together, not against ourselves. Just sayin'. LDK

A lot of truth to what was said.

If it was legal then it is good and should be supported.

If you cannot say something positive about hunting, shooting and gun collecting then you should not say anything. Any negative will be used against the hunting, shooting and collectors in out community.

Are we supposed to condone something we see is done wrong in our name??

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Are we supposed to condone something we see is done wrong in our name??

We are not in the "Right or Wrong" business.

It comes down to was it legal or was it illegal.

You may have to hold your nose some times when it is legal.

Saeed, of course not. But at the same time if some thought were given before commenting, it might not appear as if we were agreeing with anti-hunting sentiment or "joining their cause." If we hunters don't police ourselves, our enemies will police for us.

Very WELL SAID, David!! Thank you.

Truth be known, there are two independent suits going now by very knowledgeable and well placed and intended PRO NRA and its members, or Board Member.

We should be standing up behind these two to try to salvage the wreck, and protect the MEMBERS. Right now, no one is representing the members!! I am saying WITH OUR WALLETS!!

I would ask Saeed for permission to identify these two pursuits so that these patriots can receive support?

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
Very WELL SAID, David!! Thank you.

Truth be known, there are two independent suits going now by very knowledgeable and well placed and intended PRO NRA and its members, or Board Member.

We should be standing up behind these two to try to salvage the wreck, and protect the MEMBERS. Right now, no one is representing the members!! I am saying WITH OUR WALLETS!!

I would ask Saeed for permission to identify these two pursuits so that these patriots can receive support?

You can post whatever you wish.

Texas says No to NRA bankruptcy
Texas says NO!

Wayne should enter his elephant "hunt" in one of the glorified SCI Circles.

He might win First Prize!

As to this hunt, if Wayne had any sense of "optics" then the recording would have been destroyed the evening after the hunt took place, in the campfire.

470Eddy, very sorry to hear that his wife is said to have Parkinson's. That's just awful.

May be he did not even know that there was something wrong!

He seems to be totally clueless about how to handle a rifle!

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If you cannot say something positive about hunting, shooting and gun collecting then you should not say anything. Any negative will be used against the hunting, shooting and collectors in out community.

In TOTAL disagreement with this statement, in fact I consider it in poor taste.

When fellow hunters are doing things wrong, and in this case choose to film it for obvious release via film (although this never was), I feel obligated to voice my opinion,no matter how positive or how negative that opinion is deemed.

I have pride in my profession and pride in the sport of hunting. I will not stand aside while some dimwit brings my industry into disrepute through shoddy skills, and I will also not stand aside because I'm told "negative" comments are considered bad for hunting. To hell with that shit. If he can't do it with a decorum of skill, and then want it shown to the world, in his position with NRA, then I will call him out,or anyone else for that matter.

One sure fire way of killing hunting is having your attitude towards such comments. We MUST stand against idiots like this.

Have a good day. Hope that's positive enough for you !!!!!

I have been saying this all along.

If we do not stand against what we see is clearly wrong, everyone will assume we condone it.

And we are part of the problem.

Can someone explain how Wayne LaPierre has such a stranglehold on the NRA? This has been going on to long. Wayne has become a empty suit. Can we not make him fade into the sunset?

You might call it hand picked senior management and a stranglehold on many of the Board!! The smart ones have left due to potential liability, and a very few are fighting behind the scenes .... IMHO??

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Can someone explain how Wayne LaPierre has such a stranglehold on the NRA? This has been going on to long. Wayne has become a empty suit. Can we not make him fade into the sunset?

When there was the big fight in the NRA years ago between WLP and gentleman named Knox, WLP won. The composition and size of the board changed . This made it incredibly difficult to get rid of WLP. The board size is absurd.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
Can someone explain how Wayne LaPierre has such a stranglehold on the NRA? This has been going on to long. Wayne has become a empty suit. Can we not make him fade into the sunset?

When there was the big fight in the NRA years ago between WLP and gentleman named Knox, WLP won. The composition and size of the board changed . This made it incredibly difficult to get rid of WLP. The board size is absurd.

Larry, that makes sense.
Could there not be a membership petition to send him down the road? Surely people like Larry Potterfield and other major donors are tired of seeing their contributions wasted on litigation defending Wayne LaPierre instead of Second Amendment rights? Wayne has become a Poster Boy for the other side. Obviously Wayne has no conscious.
4WD

Knox got most of the reforms he desired through and lost the vote for EVP. Then got banished, like so many who challenge WLP. Knox lead reforms actually cut a lot of throats.

I am biased in my point of view is from the Knox camp. You can find the competing narratives online.

I do not know WLP, but the fact anyone tries to curtail his mismanagement and power gets exiled is all I need to know about him.

The day he and his cronies. Specifically, the guy who now runs the Legislative program. I will renew my NRA membership.

As for this Elephant hunt. I have stated a thousand times my dislike for all things WLP. I have never hunted elephant and the nerve wrecking that comes with elephant hunting. We do not always perform our best; even, when our best is most required. I was willing with that in mind, to not condemn him for his performance on this elephant hunt.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Knox got most of the reforms he desired through and lost the vote for EVP. Then got banished, like so many who challenge WLP. Knox lead reforms actually cut a lot of throats.

I am biased in my point of view is from the Knox camp. You can find the competing narratives online.

I do not know WLP, but the fact anyone tries to curtail his mismanagement and power gets exiled is all I need to know about him.

The day he and his cronies. Specifically, the guy who now runs the Legislative program. I will renew my NRA membership.

As for this Elephant hunt. I have stated a thousand times my dislike for all things WLP. I have never hunted elephant and the nerve wrecking that comes with elephant hunting. We do not always perform our best; even, when our best is most required. I was willing with that in mind, to not condemn him for his performance on this elephant hunt.

Jason Ouimet? What did he do ?

I have a lot less faith in WLP after filing bankruptcy without board knowledge. Also, the choice of lawyers is disturbing.

I was thinking of Chris Cox.

List of all those most recently purged by WLP.

https://www.thetrace.org/2020/...line-wayne-lapierre/

This thread has gone way off-topic now.

What started off as an "Embarrassing Elephant Hunt" has turned into a debate about the NRA.

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Originally posted by Neil-PH:
This thread has gone way off-topic now.

What started off as an "Embarrassing Elephant Hunt" has turned into a debate about the NRA.

Well, if you look at it from the beginning, the whole point of this sorry affair WAS about the NRA and the idiot who is running it.

It was supposed to be a glorifying episode in his illustrious hunting career!

Some members here did complain about him before this, and others told them to shut up.

Don’t criticize the NRA!

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Originally posted by Neil-PH:
This thread has gone way off-topic now.

What started off as an "Embarrassing Elephant Hunt" has turned into a debate about the NRA.

This is AR you know!

I started the off track ness of you will. I did so to place my comments in context being I do not like WLP. However, I am not going to kill him over this. No matter how hard we try sometimes we do not perform as we need to. There are real issues with the man to discuss.

This video was no doubt released as part of the fight between the NRA and Ackerman McQueen. In fact, WLP has told some people specifically who released it . I see the NRA discussion as relevant under these circumstances.

Who cares if he was not representing the NRA!

His name is associated with NRA for years.

And by the looks of it he has been milking the NRA for his own benefit!

I have no idea if this true, but one report says he has billed the NRA for $300,000 just for his clothes??!!

Man I've been in Alaska a over a week, back home and this thread is still at the top?

No wonder so many folks have given up these forums!

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Originally posted by bwanamrm:
Man I've been in Alaska a over a week, back home and this thread is still at the top?

No wonder so many folks have given up these forums!

Mate go to any topic and read the last post. It has very little resemblance to the original topic!

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Originally posted by Neil-PH:
This thread has gone way off-topic now.

What started off as an "Embarrassing Elephant Hunt" has turned into a debate about the NRA.

Disagree.

Wayne LaPierre is the NRA and the face of guns(2nd Amendment) and hunting (yes elephant hunting).
If Wayne LaPierre went elephant hunting then the NRA went elephant hunting.
Wayne LaPierre continues to make Bad decisions basically on everything he has been involved in.Being the face of the NRA , everything WLP chooses to do has consequences. Deciding to film his elephant hunt is just another one of his bad decisions. Nothing wrong with being inexperienced and going on your first DGH in this case being a elephant hunt. To much can go wrong, again in his case it was terrible. WLP is the face of hunting and guns in the USA. His incompetence in his attempt to elephant hunt all done on video for the whole world to see is a reflection on the entire hunting community world wide. Filming his first elephant is another case of his blatant bad judgement, lack of common sense,narcissism, and extraordinary ego.
Wayne Lapierre has done more to derail the greatest pro gun and hunting organization in the world . The damage he has done and continues to do will have consequences to world wide hunting that we will all suffer from. Wayne Lapierre is a embarrassment to the entire hunting and firearms community.

Don't forget that we NRA members paid for this elephant hunt.

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
FYI, his wife is said to have Parkinson's disease these days.
There is indication that WLP is showing some symptoms as well....

I wanted to update my information with some new input-
I was wrong on the victim of Parkinson's disease, it is NOT WLPs wife, it is said to be NRA President Carolyn Meadows.... and she was considered to be frail enough to NOT travel or testify during the last court proceedings.

Now that the Bankruptcy is behind, the NY proceedings will move ahead... it is becoming more and more clear NYAG is being guided and directed by some powerful outsiders we all know NOT to be gun friendly from NY!!

Sorry for the confusion.

The NRA is absent when we need them most with this new Administration. This needs to get put behind, reorganize and refresh with a new team and smaller, manageable Board with Term Limits for All.

Nothing against Carolyn Meadows but she is in her early 80’s.

I have contributed new car money to the NRA over the years.

I am on the verge of notifying them that not another penny will be forthcoming from me or mine until LaPierre leaves or is removed.

I am not happy about that, but so be it.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Nothing against Carolyn Meadows but she is in her early 80’s.

Yes, and I hear also with NO COLLEGE DEGREE.... but she came from a lofty position of a State RNC position!!

To Michael's point-
I am a Life Benefactor Member, and have been a President's Council Member, and Golden Eagles contributor in addition to ILA and Whittington raffles.

NO MORE. And every funding request I receive I write on the contribution form: "no more contributions until WLP retires, hired officers and elected officers replaced and reorganized, Board substantially reduced to a manageable size, and age75, and TERM LIMITS placed on all positions, with ALL LITIGATION RESOLVED."... and return it in the postage paid envelope....

I will NOT be attending the Annual meeting or any Friends of NRA functions!!

We need change. I come from a long corporate career. I know what would have happened in a similar situation on a good Company!! In the event of wrong doing, you are also on the hook for your own defense!!

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
To Michael's point-
I am a Life Benefactor Member, and have been a President's Council Member, and Golden Eagles contributor in addition to ILA and Whittington raffles.

NO MORE. And every funding request I receive I write on the contribution form: "no more contributions until WLP retires, hired officers and elected officers replaced and reorganized, Board substantially reduced to a manageable size, and age75, and TERM LIMITS placed on all positions, with ALL LITIGATION RESOLVED."... and return it in the postage paid envelope....

I will NOT be attending the Annual meeting or any Friends of NRA functions!!

We need change. I come from a long corporate career. I know what would have happened in a similar situation on a good Company!! In the event of wrong doing, you are also on the hook for your own defense!!

Look at it from our oppositions perspective.

They had us eating our own on the SCI issue. Now, here we are consuming the NRA in front of everyone to see.

Not saying anything we are doing or saying is wrong or inaccurate in any way. But here we are.

The progressives tend to circle their collective wagons when their side has warts. They won't, under any circumstances attack one of their own. Regardless how bad the optics are.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
To Michael's point-
I am a Life Benefactor Member, and have been a President's Council Member, and Golden Eagles contributor in addition to ILA and Whittington raffles.

NO MORE. And every funding request I receive I write on the contribution form: "no more contributions until WLP retires, hired officers and elected officers replaced and reorganized, Board substantially reduced to a manageable size, and age75, and TERM LIMITS placed on all positions, with ALL LITIGATION RESOLVED."... and return it in the postage paid envelope....

I will NOT be attending the Annual meeting or any Friends of NRA functions!!

We need change. I come from a long corporate career. I know what would have happened in a similar situation on a good Company!! In the event of wrong doing, you are also on the hook for your own defense!!

Look at it from our oppositions perspective.

They had us eating our own on the SCI issue. Now, here we are consuming the NRA in front of everyone to see.

Not saying anything we are doing or saying is wrong or inaccurate in any way. But here we are.

The progressives tend to circle their collective wagons when their side has warts. They won't, under any circumstances attack one of their own. Regardless how bad the optics are.

The only reason we are we are with both the NRA and SCI because of this attitude.

We have been told time and time again to "don't criticize our own organizations"

When these originations are being run by total idiots.

Whose sole purpose in life was turning the organization into their own person little banana republics.

If people listened, and the people with unacceptable behavior were replaced, we would not be where we are.

And the silly circles continue.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
To Michael's point-
I am a Life Benefactor Member, and have been a President's Council Member, and Golden Eagles contributor in addition to ILA and Whittington raffles.

NO MORE. And every funding request I receive I write on the contribution form: "no more contributions until WLP retires, hired officers and elected officers replaced and reorganized, Board substantially reduced to a manageable size, and age75, and TERM LIMITS placed on all positions, with ALL LITIGATION RESOLVED."... and return it in the postage paid envelope....

I will NOT be attending the Annual meeting or any Friends of NRA functions!!

We need change. I come from a long corporate career. I know what would have happened in a similar situation on a good Company!! In the event of wrong doing, you are also on the hook for your own defense!!

Look at it from our oppositions perspective.

They had us eating our own on the SCI issue. Now, here we are consuming the NRA in front of everyone to see.

Not saying anything we are doing or saying is wrong or inaccurate in any way. But here we are.

The progressives tend to circle their collective wagons when their side has warts. They won't, under any circumstances attack one of their own. Regardless how bad the optics are.

The only reason we are we are with both the NRA and SCI because of this attitude.

We have been told time and time again to "don't criticize our own organizations"

When these originations are being run by total idiots.

Whose sole purpose in life was turning the organization into their own person little banana republics.

If people listened, and the people with unacceptable behavior were replaced, we would not be where we are.

And the silly circles continue.

And what attitude exactly are you referring to?

Mine? My attitude is the problem? My post only points out that we don't need opposition, we do just fine consuming ourselves.

I actually pointed out, in my post you quoted, that there is nothing we are doing wrong or inaccurate.

I am simply pointing out facts.

To add, I resigned from the BOD of the Phoenix Chapter of SCI over my differences and I will not renew my NRA membership either...But my attitude is the problem?

My only hope is that some of the "followers " will see these admonitions and STOP DRINKING THE KOOL AID!!

Nothing said here is not already figured out by the antis!!

They can't hurt what is already lips to the pavement!!

HERE'S HOPIN!!

CheerZ,

I am still an SCI Chapter member and I remain an NRA life member.

Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican — Ronald Reagan.

But we never learned.

Well, as Steve pointed out...the Liberals paid heed to what Ronnie had to say back in ‘66.