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You are on a 21 day lion hunt, on the 10th day you track this guy and your PH says shoot:

a. Is it over 6 years old?
b. Would you shoot it?

You have a few seconds to make a decision, what do you do?

 
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PH says shoot and that is what you do...period.
Where is this lion from? Nice with lots on top to go with the black.


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check his ID Big Grin
 
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At that range and the PH says "shoot", you're going to say "Naw, I want one bigger/older."? You might not make it...

In my mind, when I finally get the resources to hunt DG, if my PH says "shoot" the only thing I want to hear is "Okay, stop shooting now.".
 
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good picture and i think most people on a lion hunt probably would shoot fast. I would hesitate only because of the way the question was asked. I would guess he may not be over six because of the question but it is a fair thing to ask because it could happen. If you try and look for reasons not to shoot i can give some.
1. His face looks a little narrow but could just be the picture
2. his face is not all that scared up but he may not like to fight
3. while his mane is really nice he does not have that middle linebacker look

after all that the answer is I would take the chance.
Do you know exactly how old this lion is or a guess?
 
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If my PH, who is a cat guy and very experienced said shoot, I shoot. Especially when we are talking seconds to make the call.

After looking at the photo for several minutes, I dunno.

The shoulder width is not very big.

The skull looks narrow.

The mane looks way too "clean" for a wild lion of age. Also, is that a hint of "Mohawk" from the front view, its just too hard to judge.

He just "looks" young to me, at least from this angle, but I am no expert at aging lions. My initial reaction was he looked good, but after a bit of study, I would want a side view of him before committing.
 
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You are on a 21 day lion hunt, on the 10th day you track this guy and your PH says shoot:

I personally don't like to shoot lions when it is light out, but, beggars can't be choosers...
 
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You are on a 21 day lion hunt, on the 10th day you track this guy and your PH says shoot:

I personally don't like to shoot lions when it is light out, but, beggars can't be choosers...


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If I have booked a lion hunt, I am booked with someone as knowledgeable as possible about his area, his lions and lions in general.

As the words are coming out of the PH's mouth, I am taking up the slack on the trigger.


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As the words are coming out of the PH's mouth, I am taking up the slack on the trigger.

you have slack in your trigger? shame
 
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Bottom line-- I've paid big money to hunt with a professional. I do what he says.
 
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Shoot.
 
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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


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Mike tu2

My thought is it is the PH's responsiblity to know that it is a "shooter". If he says to shoot--start aiming and squeezing. That's why we have the PH there . . . .

SHOOT quickly!!!!


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Shoot.


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we have all heard the advice about don't shoot until the PH gives the OK. WELL, IF HE SAYS SHOOT, HE BETTER PLUG HIS EARS. the buffalo in the background makes me think that this guy is in a game park


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In a word, BANG!


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I think the PH would only get out "SH" before the shot went off.
 
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You don't need a ph to tell you to shoot a lion like that!! Big Grin
 
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My wife would want to know where it had its hair done.

Way too pristine a lion for me to ever come across it.
 
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shoot........ if you are sufficiently certain there are no lactating or pregnant females or dependant young around. You did lure him to the bait didin't you? Cool


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Let him finish ... he might be saying "Shoot ... I left my Lion Aging Guide back in camp!" animal
 
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Mike I would not even wait for PH to tell me.

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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


If we want to be honest with ourselves. I have not seen anything critical posted about a lion on AR that did not need some talking about. I think if you are ashamed to put a trophy on AR...you must be ashamed of it yourself. sofa


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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


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shoot........
so are you stating that you know for a fact that lion is greater than 6 yrs old?
if you are sufficiently certain there are no lactating or pregnant females or dependant young around.
Don't you also require an oral and prostate exam?
You did lure him to the bait didin't you?
Umm, actually I think the story was that they tracked this lion, read and retain Michael, read and retain. Cool

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Shoot and hope he was not going to say shite its too small!!
 
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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


Starting to agree with you here.

The lion that started all of this was a 2 yr old. Not good for lion...not good for hunters. I for one am proud of those that stood up and called a spade-a-spade and quit powdering everybodies butt.


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we have all heard the advice about don't shoot until the PH gives the OK. WELL, IF HE SAYS SHOOT, HE BETTER PLUG HIS EARS. the buffalo in the background makes me think that this guy is in a game park


Spot on about the game park. This lion is known as Goose by the lion research team in Hwange and by all the guides alike. He is 12 years old and still holding his area. Interestingly he is one of the few lions in Hwange that has a territory that at no place goes into the hunting area as he is surrounded on all sides by other territories. He is as feisty now as he ever was and he has always been feisty..
 
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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


Starting to agree with you here.

The lion that started all of this was a 2 yr old. Not good for lion...not good for hunters. I for one am proud of those that stood up and called a spade-a-spade and quit powdering everybodies butt.


And we are all proud of you too.


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we have all heard the advice about don't shoot until the PH gives the OK. WELL, IF HE SAYS SHOOT, HE BETTER PLUG HIS EARS. the buffalo in the background makes me think that this guy is in a game park


Spot on about the game park. This lion is known as Goose by the lion research team in Hwange and by all the guides alike. He is 12 years old and still holding his area. Interestingly he is one of the few lions in Hwange that has a territory that at no place goes into the hunting area as he is surrounded on all sides by other territories. He is as feisty now as he ever was and he has always been feisty..


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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


Starting to agree with you here.

The lion that started all of this was a 2 yr old. Not good for lion...not good for hunters. I for one am proud of those that stood up and called a spade-a-spade and quit powdering everybodies butt.


And we are all proud of you too.


Do you have a mouse in your pocket?


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


Starting to agree with you here.

The lion that started all of this was a 2 yr old. Not good for lion...not good for hunters. I for one am proud of those that stood up and called a spade-a-spade and quit powdering everybodies butt.


And we are all proud of you too.


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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


Starting to agree with you here.

The lion that started all of this was a 2 yr old. Not good for lion...not good for hunters. I for one am proud of those that stood up and called a spade-a-spade and quit powdering everybodies butt.


And we are all proud of you too.


Do you have a mouse in your pocket?


I am confident that I speak for hunters everywhere.


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I would shoot . . . and never post a picture on AR.


...you must be ashamed of it yourself.


Yes, and I have many other feelings of inadequacy that I would love to discuss with you since you are doctor (of sorts) due to the fact that I was potty trained too young.


Starting to agree with you here.

The lion that started all of this was a 2 yr old. Not good for lion...not good for hunters. I for one am proud of those that stood up and called a spade-a-spade and quit powdering everybodies butt.


And we are all proud of you too.


Do you have a mouse in your pocket?


I am confident that I speak for hunters everywhere.


I do believe that you believe that. Cool


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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