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That picture makes me nervous for more than one reason. | |||
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yeah... anyone can shoot a lion, but to do this... well... | |||
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I think Buzz nailed it from a practical point of view. | |||
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As of this (2011) season, Tanzania Ministry/Natural Resources & Tourism started giving us phs more paperwork: now we must fill out a new "MONITORING OF LION TOURIST HUNTING form. its quite easy now, but in near future we will need to also collect & submit blood & skin samples, exact measurements, and 7 close up detailed photos of each lion! also, details of how many lions seen (males, females, sub adults, cubs), days hunted, GPS location of kill, and condition of the lion (healthy, thin, wounds, snares). they are getting quite serious regards lions. | |||
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Basically we are feeding them free information - shouldn't they be out in the field verifying it for themselves as true researchers? They do also say "Thank You for your assistance" (or words to that effect). The questionnaire for the moment requires the PH to submit full data to include photos of the animal showing full features, mane (2 angles), nose and canines. Blood and skin samples when they eventually get their act together and supply appropriate vials for their preservation. These questionnaires are to be completed regardless of a Lion having been taken or not. I might be wrong. | |||
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It looks like 12 years do mate. I hope when I am 12 in lion years I still can also. | |||
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Can somebody age this lion for me. | |||
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He has a full mane, he must be old enough to shoot.... | |||
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...nose is still a little pink. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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......and wet........and cold...... Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I think there's something to be said for that. If you're telling people up front what your policy is there's no ambiguity. If they don't like it they'll hunt somewhere else. Lane from what I've read of all the current models in place the Niassa seems to be the best. The quota system is open to government metalling as proof with TZ and recent problems in some Zim blocks that have come to light. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Thank you sir...after all the heat I take...I really appreciate that! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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So am I to understand the "Niassa Model" for Lions was developed by Dr. Easter? ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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Of course NOT. Just the plan I endorse! Dr. Colleen Begg (a grad student of Dr. Craig Packer) along with other members of the Niassa Carnivore Project...sanctioned by the authorities of Mozambique...developed that plan. It is working well and is a good way forward for the wild lion. We (LCTF) advocated it for TZ. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That was my original understanding. Your "thank you" and "really appreciate that!" just seemed out of the ordinary seeing you had nothing to do with developing or implementing the plan. However, your endorsing and advocating does not go unnoticed. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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I GOTTA THINK IT WILL BE HARD TO SUPPLY THE PICTURES REQUIRED(NOT TO MENTION BLOOD AND SKIN SAMPLES) IF A LION ISN'T SHOT! THEN AGAIN, MAYBE TZ PH'S ARE CAPABLE OF AMAZING FEATS OF MAGIC. GOOD LUCK TO THE POOR SOB'S THAT HAVE TO FURNISH THE DATA "REGARDLESS OF A LION HAVING BEEN TAKEN OR NOT". Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Sounds just like what is required in the Niassa Reserve and if I'm not mistaken, Colleen from Niassa when to a meeting in Dar in 2010 about this topic. | |||
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[/QUOTE] I GOTTA THINK IT WILL BE HARD TO SUPPLY THE PICTURES REQUIRED(NOT TO MENTION BLOOD AND SKIN SAMPLES) IF A LION ISN'T SHOT! THEN AGAIN, MAYBE TZ PH'S ARE CAPABLE OF AMAZING FEATS OF MAGIC. GOOD LUCK TO THE POOR SOB'S THAT HAVE TO FURNISH THE DATA "REGARDLESS OF A LION HAVING BEEN TAKEN OR NOT".[/QUOTE] When a Lion is not taken data is obviously not available (to some but not others). PHs however are still required to fill in the other fields on the questionnaire ie. sightings: how many, in which concession,trophy males,sub-adult males, prides, etc. etc. etc. LVDM could possibly confirm. | |||
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This form has been posted in the Lion Conservation forum. It is self explanatory to even the least literate of people. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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No, I'm not a magician, and (thankfully) I dont have to draw blood from live lions!! I dont know why the confusion? I guess I probably should have wrote "photos/blood of each lion SHOT". From what my company tells me, we must fill out the form (all, or in part) if lion is on the permit, (regardless if one was hunted, or not). Example: Some of my safaris this year had lion on permit, but the hunter did not wish to shoot a lion. If no lion is hunted, the form is only filled out in part. If a lion IS SHOT then they will require more info, (plus detailed photos & blood & skin samples). i have the form in front of me, and on page 3 has four boxes: 1) INFO (PH, company & client name, etc) 2) COURSE OF THE SAFARI, 3) IF LION WAS HARVESTED 4) REMARKS. In the "Course of the safari" box, they also want to know info on number of prides/lions seen. Hope really this clears things up for you..... | |||
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I said thank you because for close to a year now...Aaron and I have been holding this model up as THE WAY FORWORD FOR THE LION and Brett finally analyzed it and agreed it is a good plan. A small recognition of our efforts. I thought a simple thank you was in order. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Tanz-PH: Unfortunately this world is made up of quite a few smart ass SOB's who have nothing better to do or say in life and no matter how one tries, the message doesn't get through. Achana nae! | |||
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Truer words were never spoken!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It takes the positives from the "quota crowd" and mates it with 6yr science, rewards for good management, and punishes for indescriminate shooting without decapitating for the occasional mistake. I can't even see a close second, but that's just my opinion. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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reread the original post by fujotupu, mich and the rest of you guys. i quote: " the questionaire for the moment requires the PH to submit full data to include photos, etc., etc., etc. these questionaires are to be be completed REGARDLESS OF A LION HAVING BEEN TAKEN OR NOT( caps added by me). so who is illiterate?? i have many shortcomings but thank God, illiteracy isn't one of them. not so sure about others. i would never presume to "know" what an African "means" by ANY regulation as opposed to what the regulation states. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Indeed, REGARDLESS if it were shot or not and provided it was included in the license. It stands to reason (that's if you wish to apply some simple logic whether you are illiterate or not) | |||
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As in most any questionnaires, application forms, etc. where certain fields cannot be complied with, the norm is to 'X' or N/A the box - quite simple really! And the paperwork HAS to be completed - whether it was shot or not, regardless if it was turned down because the mane was ginger and not black; regardless if a Lion and the rest of his gender were sighted or not - the form gets completed and submitted. If you wish, take a moment and revisit the "African Lions Hunting Management & Ecology forum further down the page (First page, First item). | |||
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I tried posting awhile back, but I had poor service on my IPad in eastern Colorado. Shoot him, period! Collar or no collar, I shoot him!! Not sure what all the controversy is, but I haven't read through it all either? | |||
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