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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Hello AR members.

Please stop calling jolo names. She is "one of us".

She agrees that hunting is good for conservation.

She agrees that Kenyan conservation is worse off by stopping hunting.

She agrees that hunters have contributed more to starting national parks and reserves than bunny huggers.

She is not against banning ALL hunting. Just lions for now. She is still making up her list for the future.

She does not associate with Bunny hugging hate sites! Just Lion aid - so lion hugging hate site is ok!

Hey guys - we have converted her! She is now one of us! WE DID IT!


NOW - Who is going to take her on her first hunt?

How about a nice mountain lion hunt in British Columbia - without a collar of course!

I offer to take her into some real wilderness in India - no hunting. But lots of true wilderness experience - walking for days, sleeping under the stars, in village sheep pens, drinking stream water. Lots of thorns, mosquitos, nettle, corns and blisters. Oh and very hot weather too with very high humidity.

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Firstly before you make the accusation that I am anti-hunting know what you're talking about. Have a look at the posts in this thread, you know the one you're participating in and see what i say about hunting!!

The rest i'm not sure what you're rambling on about. I wasn't aware i had disagreed about who established many national parks!! I wasn't aware i had said that park rangers weren't hunters! Im not aware that i had disagreed that wildlife in kenya had dropped since the banning of hunting! I wasn't aware id said i wanted a ban on all hunting! I wasn't aware i associated with bunny hugging hate sites!

And as for the BIG point well surely all the more reason you should start your own website / campaign and get your point out there. Create your own platform for your own beliefs. There are free website sites or you can get one from about £9.99 a month. Surely worth spending if you are so keen to be able to get your message out there.

Awww shucks Naki, thanks

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Hello AR members.

Please stop calling jolo names. She is "one of us".

She agrees that hunting is good for conservation.

She agrees that Kenyan conservation is worse off by stopping hunting.

She agrees that hunters have contributed more to starting national parks and reserves than bunny huggers.

She is not against banning ALL hunting. Just lions for now. She is still making up her list for the future.

She does not associate with Bunny hugging hate sites! Just Lion aid - so lion hugging hate site is ok!

Hey guys - we have converted her! She is now one of us! WE DID IT!


NOW - Who is going to take her on her first hunt?

How about a nice mountain lion hunt in British Columbia - without a collar of course!

I offer to take her into some real wilderness in India - no hunting. But lots of true wilderness experience - walking for days, sleeping under the stars, in village sheep pens, drinking stream water. Lots of thorns, mosquitos, nettle, corns and blisters. Oh and very hot weather too with very high humidity.

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Firstly before you make the accusation that I am anti-hunting know what you're talking about. Have a look at the posts in this thread, you know the one you're participating in and see what i say about hunting!!

The rest i'm not sure what you're rambling on about. I wasn't aware i had disagreed about who established many national parks!! I wasn't aware i had said that park rangers weren't hunters! Im not aware that i had disagreed that wildlife in kenya had dropped since the banning of hunting! I wasn't aware id said i wanted a ban on all hunting! I wasn't aware i associated with bunny hugging hate sites!

And as for the BIG point well surely all the more reason you should start your own website / campaign and get your point out there. Create your own platform for your own beliefs. There are free website sites or you can get one from about £9.99 a month. Surely worth spending if you are so keen to be able to get your message out there.

I'll throw in a float trip during the Salmon run to observe (and not kill) those lovable furry Brown Bears. I really will have no idea how the bacon fat ended up on her tent.

Thanks Frostbit, this gave me a good ole giggle.

On the serious side though yet another showing of true colours and double standards!

Hunters are outraged by antis various ways of saying hunters should die but its ok to imply the same about me?

Priceless!!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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You are a bad advertisement for hunting and one of the people who i feel has no place in hunting!

Oh boy!

You really ARE so obsessed with your own self importance!

Who cares what you feel?

Not self importance no!
The importance of preventing animal cruelty.

And as for who cares what i think,, well as much as you'd hate to admit it - you do!
You wouldn't spend so much time finding hilarious news items etc and trying to piss me off otherwise.

Just so you know though i love the links you put up, keep em coming. The names though, well im bored of them now could you attempt to be inventive and come up with something new?

Now on the serious side, please could you tell me what the difference is between the following :-

A) a lion caught in a poachers snare.

B) an elephant beaten and tortured every day of its life to get it to perform.

C) a a rhino poached for its horn.

D) a dog held up by its throat and repeatedly punched in the face.

Just remember before answering this Saeed that you advocated cruelty to animals and you stated that animals were put on this earth for man to make use of!

I'll give you the opportunity to make your reply before i state what i see in the above even though you won't as you never do.

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Originally posted by jolouburn:

Now on the serious side, please could you tell me what the difference is between the following :-

A) a lion caught in a poachers snare.

B) an elephant beaten and tortured every day of its life to get it to perform.

C) a a rhino poached for its horn.

D) a dog held up by its throat and repeatedly punched in the face.

Four unrelated sentences about different animals.

Matt,

Every time he/she/it opens its mouth it utters something even more stupid than the previous time.

I keep repeating, logic and common sense means absolutely nothing to them.

All these idiot want is to give animals the same rights as humans.

I would love to see them watching a pride of lions eating the rear end of a buffalo while the buffalo is chewing the cud.

Then imagine them going to defend the buffalo from the nasty lions

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Matt,

Every time he/she/it opens its mouth it utters something even more stupid than the previous time.

I keep repeating, logic and common sense means absolutely nothing to them.

All these idiot want is to give animals the same rights as humans.

Thanks Saeed - sometimes I do just need a slap across the face!!!

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by jolouburn:

Now on the serious side, please could you tell me what the difference is between the following :-

A) a lion caught in a poachers snare.

B) an elephant beaten and tortured every day of its life to get it to perform.

C) a a rhino poached for its horn.

D) a dog held up by its throat and repeatedly punched in the face.

Four unrelated sentences about different animals.

WRONG!!

They all have one thing in common!
They all show abhorrent cruelty to animals.

You (generic) all claim you are conservation minded and love / care for animals but when it boils down to it you have no concern unless it suits your agenda.

In your own words Saeed animals are put here for the use of man.

It stands to reason (your twisted reason) then that it is ok for man to poach rhino for its horn, lion for its bone, torture animals for enjoyment.

AR must be so proud of your attitude! Oh hang on they're not, my email inbox tells me that.

You are the one full of self importance Saeed but unfortunately it is misplaced, even hunters are appalled by your attitudes.

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You are the one full of self importance Saeed but unfortunately it is misplaced, even hunters are appalled by your attitudes.

And how many hunter do you know?

Without the protection of the LAND none of the wildlife species will survive. Screw the Lion and what would Africa be without the Impala and Warthog?

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Originally posted by jolouburn:
WRONG!!

They all have one thing in common!
They all show abhorrent cruelty to animals.

You (generic) all claim you are conservation minded and love / care for animals but when it boils down to it you have no concern unless it suits your agenda.

In your own words Saeed animals are put here for the use of man.

It stands to reason (your twisted reason) then that it is ok for man to poach rhino for its horn, lion for its bone, torture animals for enjoyment.

AR must be so proud of your attitude! Oh hang on they're not, my email inbox tells me that.

You are the one full of self importance Saeed but unfortunately it is misplaced, even hunters are appalled by your attitudes.

You know there are plenty of Facebook groups where you can get together with other like-minded bunny-huggers and cry about dogs being punched in the face.

Their next agenda is banning the ownership of dogs as pets!

Yep, that is right.

Give them an inch, and they want a mile!

Hey Jellybrain, I bet my dog has a better life than you do judging by your behavior towards others!


All these antis do is trying to make something out of their miserable lives by pretending to do something noble.

Sadly, losers will always be losers!

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Their next agenda is banning the ownership of dogs as pets!

I am curious to know what their views are on the training process to create "working" dogs and by that I do not mean a Collie on a sheep farm.

In particular do the antis know anything about drug dogs and how they are trained?

The PETA morons are campaigning for the elimination of horse racing now.

And not to forget all the cries they have been making about racing pigeons!

Apparently some racing pigeons get lost, and the PETA morons don't like that.

Anyone with an IQ of 10 can see how stupid this lot is.

I am absolutely gob smacked that you seem to want to dig yourselves further and further into a hole!

You cannot claim to be conservation minded and care for / love animals and then not care that there are atrocious cruelties happening giving the excuse animals were put here for mans use.

You cannot moan about others wishing death on you and then wish death on others.

You cannot claim that someone shows no concern for others when you yourselves are incapable of treating others with even just a little bit of common courtesy.

You have proved time and again (some of you) that your only care is for yourselves and that you will support whatever benefits your agenda.

Many of you are even unable to answer basic questions and anything you dont want to answer because it doesnt fit in with your 'conservation' agenda.

I know a few hunters and have had outside of here contact with quite a few members of AR who all hope that i will not lump them in with the likes of yourself Matt and Saeed. They may not agree with me on hunting but they certainly dont want me to think they stand by you in your attitudes to animal cruelty and use.

Tell me, whathas PETA to do with this discussion with me, have i any links with PETA? Have i quoted PETA? Have i said i agree with anything PETA have to say?

Horse racing - no interest in this sport and no reason for me personally to want it banned.
Pigeon racing - again, no interest and cant see any reason to ban it.

Dog ownership - i feel for your dog Saeed because if you cant treat humans decently in a conversation, how do you treat your poor dog who was apparently put on this planet for you to use?

I myself have two dogs, a wonderful chocolate lab and a gorgeous whippet. I love them both dearly and treat them well. I don't think they were put on this planet for me to make use of, they have their own personalities and i allow them freedom to do as they please. They are both fully trained, reward trained and are very contented.

Border collies are pastoral dogs so not the same entity as those i assume you mean, ie gun dogs. And yes i have seen a couple of breeds trained to work. A friend of mine breeds whippets for hare/rabbit hunting and the farm where we bought our labrador trains them as gun dogs. If you are implying there is some cruelty in the training methods, i saw none. However as we all know this doesn't necessarily equate to it not going on. Oh hang on a minute, no you dont do you? You think all hunters and people involved in hunting are perfect!!

Sadly Saeed you and a few others have shown your true colours.

Are you aware that others who will do more than just read this site are actually reading all this? Or are you too stupid to realise you do yourself and other hunters no favours in your arrogance and stupidity?

So Saeed, this land you wanted to evict the Maasai off, did you really not care that they would just go off and ruin other land? Did you not think to try and make some kind of provision for the Maasai or try to work with them? Or as is plainly obvious did you just not care they would ruin other land as long as you got what you wanted?

I don't expect you to answer. As one of your fellow hunters said attacking me is the only form of defence you have!

The only contribution you have made to this thread is to show other antis reading it that their views of hunters as inhuman and monsters is certainly correct, at least where you and a few others are concerned.

Bravo Saeed

Hey - I don't promote or accept animal cruelty... I just don't follow your twisted logic.

PETA, HSUS, Lionaid, all are organizations which have absolutely no respect for animals.

All they care about is getting donations from ignorant Joe public.

One of the hosts of the kwasi science show "Mythbusters" has his own proverb:

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I reject your reality and substitute my own!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Their next agenda is banning the ownership of dogs as pets!

Yep, that is right.

Give them an inch, and they want a mile!

Hey Jellybrain, I bet my dog has a better life than you do judging by your behavior towards others!


All these antis do is trying to make something out of their miserable lives by pretending to do something noble.

Sadly, losers will always be losers!

It's worse than that, we have a regulatory czar in the Bam-Bam administration who advocates that pets should be able to sue their owners.

Congress is the least of our problems with the likes of Cass Sunstein adding thousands of new rules, regulations, fees, penalties, and permits weekly to the Federal register without Congressional or voter knowledge.

Our White House is in bed with every wacko group there is. This is why we're circling the drain.

well, the guy did promise change- he just didn't specify if it would be for the better! face it, the nutters are hell bent on everyone becoming a vegan whose life is controlled by Big Brother... remember- PETA KNOWS BEST!

One does not need to look very far to see the vast difference between us normal humans and the idiots who run places like lionaid.

Jellybrain is given every opportunity to post his/her/its stupid remarks her3e without getting banned.

Compare that to what happens to our friends who posted on lionaid facebook page!

If anyone had any doubts who is telling the truth and who is lying, here it is.