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Originally posted by MJines:
Price the service anyway you choose, the buyer can decide to take it or leave it based on their perceived value for your services. But don’t expect that doing one deal entitles you to fee off the buyer in perpetuity even if the buyer chooses to not avail themselves of your services.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
What about the ethics of signing a non-disclosure agreement on the hunt keeping a hunter from discussing the hunt in a negative light on the hunting forums?

Is that ethical?

There was a chat post about this very thing. I can't remember who was involved.

Who the heck would try to pull that? That sounds unethical.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Price the service anyway you choose, the buyer can decide to take it or leave it based on their perceived value for your services. But don’t expect that doing one deal entitles you to fee off the buyer in perpetuity even if the buyer chooses to not avail themselves of your services.

Do feel you are entitled to a discount equal to the commission amount?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Price the service anyway you choose, the buyer can decide to take it or leave it based on their perceived value for your services. But don’t expect that doing one deal entitles you to fee off the buyer in perpetuity even if the buyer chooses to not avail themselves of your services.

Do feel you are entitled to a discount equal to the commission amount?

. . . asked and answered.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Price the service anyway you choose, the buyer can decide to take it or leave it based on their perceived value for your services. But don’t expect that doing one deal entitles you to fee off the buyer in perpetuity even if the buyer chooses to not avail themselves of your services.

Do feel you are entitled to a discount equal to the commission amount?

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
What are the responsibilities of the agent in regard to hunts?

And is it the case that someone books a hunt via an agent but never, until they show up, communicate with the PH? If an agent is involved, is the expectation that all comms will be brokered through the agent?

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Originally posted by KMG Hunting Safaris:

Pay the agent his dues. If the hunter tries to book directly with you for a second hunt, you have an obligation to inform the agent. If it was not for the agent, you would never have had the booking in the first place.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Found the link on non-disclosure agreements for hunting forums, and double indemnity clauses.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/1901019122/p/1

What wonder's exist, the agent asking about ethic's is the same one this discussion was about.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:

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The advantage oF a good agent is financial security.

If your safari goes tits up then who are you going to call?

I had one go south and there was not a single damn thing that the booking agent could do, but to not use that outfitter again. He could not and did not get any monies back for me. The only offer was to go back with the outfitter and he would add a couple of extra days for free. Screw that!

Here's another hypothetical (but factual) situation. What if a fishing guide takes you fishing to some great areas that are known to him, but not many others, and are on public property and you have a successful fishing trip with the guide? What if you go back to that area and fish it on your own? Are you obligated to only fish there if you have booked through the guide again? That same hypothetical could also apply to hunts on public lands.

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Originally posted by MJines:
It is a fee for services business. If no services are rendered, no fee should be payable. So I hire a real estate agent to find me a house in a nice neighborhood. She identifies a house in a great neighborhood that I was previously unaware of and earns his/her commission. Several years later I decide to move to another house in the same neighborhood using no agent. Is the original agent entitled to another commission since she identified and introduced me to the neighborhood initially. Of course not. No one would even suggest such a stupid idea. No services were rendered and no commission is due. If you do not value the services provided by an agent, and choose not to use one, whether it is your first trip or your fifteenth trip the agent is owed nothing in my view.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Well all are fond of saying that AR is the best resource for vetting our PHs, outfitters, etc.

Some time ago I had an idea to create a "booking co-op" where members paid a small fee (perhaps $25/year) to cover basic website expenses, but also to "be an owner." It would contain a forum site similar to AR, but allow members to write trip reports on hunts they had been on. Since the Co-op would be a booking agency, any hunt booked would result in a 15%, to be split perhaps 10% to the hunter who booked, and 5% to the guy who posted the original report. If the new hunter writes a report, then the second trip booked would result in a split between the two of the 5% fee. I have too many other irons in fires and never thought much about the idea.

The booking agent model has remained virtually unchanged in the last 50 years. Perhaps its time has come. Oh wait, it already has - many outfitters advertise directly on AR. I have booked several hunts this way and never had a bad one.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Found the link on non-disclosure agreements for hunting forums, and double indemnity clauses.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/1901019122/p/1

What wonder's exist, the agent asking about ethic's is the same one this discussion was about.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The whole idea of a client going directly to a PH, after he had hunted with him through an agent, so he can get the agent's fee as a discount, is dishonest.

No two ways about it.

We deal with many international companies, who we represent, some customers try to go behind us directly, those companies have always turned them down, and sent them back to us.

Never had a single one who tried dealing directly with the customer.

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To me, the two things that are most important in any human relationship, including any business relationship, are honesty and loyalty.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:
What if we come at this from a different angle. What happens if the client does not care to do business with the booking agent, but likes to hunt with the outfitter? Can the client never hunt with the outfitter again without going through the booking agent? Is the outfitter expected to lose the client if the client refuses to do business with the booking agent?

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Originally posted by MJines:
If you book travel through a travel agent and have a great trip, are you obligated to use that travel agent on the next trip? The agent got paid for his services on the first trip, if his services are not needed or desired on the next trip, why is he entitled to be paid regardless just as a result of having booked a prior trip?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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To me, the two things that are most important in any human relationship, including any business relationship, are honesty and loyalty.

Exactly!

I no longer deal with anyone I do not know and trust.

If I need any product, or service, I do not personally anyone who provides it, I talk to trusted people I deal with, and get recommendations.

Works like a charm.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I have always stayed with the agent who made the initial arrangements, unless I had good reason not to do so.

The key factor for me is that without the agent who helped me in the first place, I would likely have missed the opportunity.

To me, the two things that are most important in any human relationship, including any business relationship, are honesty and loyalty.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:





I’ll stick to agent(s)

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I have always stayed with the agent who made the initial arrangements, unless I had good reason not to do so.

The key factor for me is that without the agent who helped me in the first place, I would likely have missed the opportunity.

To me, the two things that are most important in any human relationship, including any business relationship, are honesty and loyalty.

Exactly. If a PH is actively attempting to get me to circumvent the agent who brought me to him, that tells me all I need to know about the PH.

I have used several agents . Some I would never go to again under any circumstance. There are two that collectively I have used many times. Their services have been invaluable to me over the years. I would not dream of cutting them out. While I may not have a legal obligation to use them, I have a higher obligation, a moral one, to use them.