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originally quoted by Chuck Nelson:
This cracks me up. You all have to walk around with hot chambers so that you can save everyones lives when a charging beast comes barreling out of the forest. When it does happen we have documented cases of some shooting someone in the caravan instead. Then better still, some are hiring cameramen to document their feats of bravery and what is he armed with exactly? His saving grace is that he is at least behind the hero with the hot chamber. The poor tracker you send in after your episode of crappy shooting is the luckiest of all. He gets to stand between your loaded chamber and the beast you shot in the guts.

this is the most accurate post on this entire thread, perhaps even the entire forum. Amen.

How does this grab everyone. After the sport has taken his/her shot and possibly botched the deal, they are escorted back to the vehicle, and the professionals go in and sort things out?

Or how about anytime a hunter shows up with a videographer in tow, no DG is hunted?

I don't get the videographer comment at all.

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

On the other hand - the guys flying helicopters will tell you that it is only a matter of time before you have a crash. they also tell you that they learn a lot more from a crash experience than from actual training.

Only the ones that survive tell you that

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
I don't get the videographer comment at all.

Me either Larry!

Not to mention that the cameramen I've used have not "shown up in tow" but have been supplied by the outfitter themselves!

Once again, completely irrelevant to George taking it upon himself to just shoot when he gets ready, planning to disregard the PH's instructions from the get go, then attempting to blame the PH afterward, then further bragging about obtaining camp meat on his own because he didn't have faith in the PH's abilities, and completely leaving out the fact that the camp meat he DID shoot was shot in error incurring a fine for shooting the wrong sex buffalo! Of course, now the story is that the camp meat was a lowly guinea fowl. And of course we know that's just additional bullshit as well since I can only imagine how much meat would be remaining for the camp after shooting a guinea with a 458 Lott, or was it the 300WM?

What the hell does a videographer "in tow" have to do with that scenario?

Todd, you mean you don't think a guinea fowl would feed the camp staff??? shitaway sure seemed to think so......

If any of you have had one of Rene Vincent's guinea fowl curries, you would be salivating at the thought of someone shooting some for that dish!

but can she make a curry from 1 bird that will feed 20+ people??? after all, George stated he shot A( singular) guinea fowl for camp meat.....

Shootaway:

For your next starring role in a video production, I wish you better luck: Merde! ... Merde or get off the pot.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
If any of you have had one of Rene Vincent's guinea fowl curries, you would be salivating at the thought of someone shooting some for that dish!

Saeed,
now that sounds like the ultimate game dish,I would be all over that,I am off to Zim in five weeks,hope I can find enough spices etc in Harare to attempt a guinea fowl curry

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

quote:

originally quoted by Chuck Nelson:
This cracks me up. You all have to walk around with hot chambers so that you can save everyones lives when a charging beast comes barreling out of the forest. When it does happen we have documented cases of some shooting someone in the caravan instead. Then better still, some are hiring cameramen to document their feats of bravery and what is he armed with exactly? His saving grace is that he is at least behind the hero with the hot chamber. The poor tracker you send in after your episode of crappy shooting is the luckiest of all. He gets to stand between your loaded chamber and the beast you shot in the guts.

this is the most accurate post on this entire thread, perhaps even the entire forum. Amen.

+1
...Hot Chambers require really cool-heads, lest they end up cause much more catastrophe than they were intended to prevent.

Shootaway can, like the hunting celebs, just shrug it all off and plan his next hunt......

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Originally posted by eagle27:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

On the other hand - the guys flying helicopters will tell you that it is only a matter of time before you have a crash. they also tell you that they learn a lot more from a crash experience than from actual training.

Only the ones that survive tell you that

I was taught that they can bite,and when they do,
they will usually bite you really hard like an enraged lion,
and be rather impartial & most unforgiving of ones transgression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wVzRQMV6lE ...
Hence,there are old pilots and there are bold pilots,
but rather few Old & Bold pilots....

Its rather apparent that some people dont feel the same way about firearms.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
but can she make a curry from 1 bird that will feed 20+ people??? after all, George stated he shot A( singular) guinea fowl for camp meat.....

Shootaway may have performed the miracle of Jesus with the loaves and fishes in the wilderness.jc

What would Shootaway do?

WWSD.

From now on anytime I've committed an act so stupid and illogical that I don't know how to proceed. I'll leave it the hands of Shootaway my guidance and faith in times of stupid.

WWSD.

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Originally posted by John Chalmers:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
but can she make a curry from 1 bird that will feed 20+ people??? after all, George stated he shot A( singular) guinea fowl for camp meat.....

Shootaway may have performed the miracle of Jesus with the loaves and fishes in the wilderness.jc

funny thing, John. after i posted that, i re read it and thought the same thing! i started to amend the post but was too lazy. anyway, since George thinks he can walk on water, maybe he can also pull off the fishes and loaves thing.....

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:

Shootaway may have performed the miracle of Jesus with the loaves and fishes in the wilderness.jc

funny thing, John. after i posted that, i re read it and thought the same thing! i started to amend the post but was too lazy. anyway, since George thinks he can walk on water, maybe he can also pull off the fishes and loaves thing.....[/QUOTE]

How do you pull off a fish?

Oh....... wait a minute..... I misunderstood. You meant loaves & fishes. Sorry about that!

quote:

Originally posted by surestrike:
What would Shootaway do?

WWSD.

From now on anytime I've committed an act so stupid and illogical that I don't know how to proceed. I'll leave it the hands of Shootaway my guidance and faith in times of stupid.

WWSD.

Sorry, I think you left out a "D". I thought it was WWSDD, What Would Shootaway Do-Do?

surestrike,you need to get over all your complexities.Go hunting and post a report with some pictures and videos.That will do you good.You need also to go hunt with CMS and enjoy a hunt for once in your life-that will put you in good spirits! also,if you are ever lucky enough to hunt in Makuti with CMS you would OD for sure.

once again shitaway demonstrates that he is lost in the ozone. please George, remember the old adage about opening one's mouth and removing all doubt( about being a fool, in case you attention span is short)......

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Originally posted by jdollar:
once again shitaway demonstrates that he is lost in the ozone. please George, remember the old adage about opening one's mouth and removing all doubt( about being a fool, in case you attention span is short)......

I recommend the same medecin for you jdollar.YOU definately need some healing.

hell, George, since you can feed the multitudes with a single guinea fowl and presumably walk on water, you should be able to heal me and save me a trip to Zim

I am sure constantly inebriated celeb. gun-handlers like Ruark,CrapStick,Hemingway,-
would have really appreciated having someone who could have turned their camp water into Wine.
Miracle Healers would come in really handy for those PHs & Trackers who get shot by their client.
...

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Originally posted by Trax:
I am sure constantly inebriated celeb. gun-handlers like Ruark,CrapStick,Hemingway,-
would have really appreciated having someone who could have turned their camp water into Wine.
Miracle Healers would come in really handy for those PHs & Trackers who get shot by their client.
...

Light weight

Please give us one example of an injury caused by one of those you mentioned to the rest of their hunting party with a fire arm---

And where did you get your hunting experience and expertise , since you know so much about everything? Be nice to have some background on the one that showers down so much enlightenment on us--

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

Please give us one example of an injury caused by one of those you mentioned to the rest of their hunting party with a fire arm-

The fact that they didnt kill or seriously injure someone with their firearm while regularly intoxicated with alcohol,
is all part of the miracle process.

Are you an advocate of mixing heavy-drinking with firearms?

quote:

And where did you get your hunting experience and expertise

Staying away from alcohol when handling firearms or flying aircraft doesnt take expertise,
to most people it just requires basic common sense.

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

Originally posted by Sean Russell:

Please give us one example of an injury caused by one of those you mentioned to the rest of their hunting party with a fire arm-

The fact that they didnt kill or seriously injure someone with their firearm while regularly intoxicated with alcohol,
is all part of the miracle process.

Are you an advocate of mixing heavy-drinking with firearms?

quote:

And where did you get your hunting experience and expertise

Staying away from alcohol when handling firearms or flying aircraft doesnt take expertise,
to most people it just requires basic common sense.

Just answer the questions--

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

Just answer the questions--

A demand rather than a polite request,
Your friends and family might stupidly accommodate a fool with attitude like that,
- but not this Black Duck.
You can enjoy your 'mix of alcohol and guns' attitude, all by yourself.
Your defence of chronic alcoholic celebrity gun-handlers says enough.
How sad...Well at least it asserts the fact that there is no fix for being stupid.

Shootaway,Herald,Russell,... would make an interesting but potentially tragic mix as a hunting group.

Hot chambers/poor gun handling,selective Hearing and Alcohol,...what more could a guy ask for.
...in essence a true fools paradise!

Trax

As usual you dont take any responsibility for your self and make baseless assertions-

I said nothing defending anything-I merely questioned your assertions, and it turns out you cant back them up.

You are nothing more than a troll-a real person has an address and a background that they arent ashamed of. You methodology of insulting anyone who questions you got old in the third grade-wake up boy.

You post pictures of guns you dont own, you assert facts you cant back up, and claim expertise you cant give provenance to.

Insulting those you know nothing about says worlds about your character-none of them good- You didn't know Capstick, Hemingway, Ruark or any of the others you so casually denigrate. Those men may have drunk more than you like but they did more for hunting in Africa than you ever dreamed of.You didn't know Bell, Selby or Hunter,and have no standing to expound on them. Absent any background you are just a troll.

When you can show you have sweated blood and drunk water from a muddy track then you can cast aspirations- till then you are nothing but a troll. Before you ask-yes i have been the miles and can name names places and times -unlike you.

We will pass lightly over how little you know about American Jurisprudence,politics, hunting in general and aviation-none of your pronouncements serve you well.

Oh and by the way, most of what you know about religion just isn't so.

When you can grow up, get a spine and let the world know who you are then we might start listening-till you do--you are just a troll

(and a terrorist sympathizer (Noam Chomsky))

Have a good day--

SSR

Sean-

No sense wasting your time with Trax. I put him on my ignore list quite awhile ago, for many of the reasons you expound. It is a fact that he has never, ever hunted africa and is simply full of shit.

so true, Mike, so true. he makes George look smart...

JERRY - you're killin' me here!!! They're a pair of nuts!

The farce is strong with both trax and shootaway.

quote:

The farce is strong with both trax and shootaway.

Shootaway, "Trax I Am Your Father, Come With Me And We Will Rule The Empire"!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
The farce is strong with both trax and shootaway.

the only problem is it is difficult to tell which is more "lost in space"....for those of you old enough to remember, these 2 remind me of a rock band from years ago- Commander Cody and The Lost Planet Airmen

quote:

Originally posted by Sean Russell:
Trax

As usual you dont take any responsibility for your self and make baseless assertions-

I said nothing defending anything-I merely questioned your assertions, and it turns out you cant back them up.

Baseless assertions? ...really?

I cannot back them up?...really?

R.Ruarks own writings very well confirm how drunk he regular was on Safari and around firearms.

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You didn't know Bell, Selby or Hunter,and have no standing to expound on them

No I never met Bell or Selby,... or Craptick or Ruark for that matter.
-Do you know many people on AR that have?

However, I tend to put some faith that there is truth in what Bell & Selby wrote,
-should people not do so?

I also put some faith in the fact Ruarks own personally writings say that he was a heavy daily drinker on Safari,
as being true.
-Do you have disbelief in what Ruark himself says?

quote:

Originally posted by Sean Russell:
(and a terrorist sympathizer (Noam Chomsky))

Reading Chomsky makes someone a terrorist? ...Wow! you draw a looong bow!
If someone also reads the Torah,Bible and Koran all out of interest, does that make them confirmed followers of all three religions?

Keep in mind that successive US administrations from Reagan to Obama, have been heavily supporting Islamic-terrorist groups for several decades.
Reagan referring to them as the moral equal of Americas founding Fathers, and personally greeting them in the WhiteHouse.
Yet you are paranoid about someone simply reading Chomsky....typical village mindset and perspective.
Its makes it easy to understand how easy it was for Bush to scare naive-paranoid Americans into believing that the Patriot-Act
and invasion of the MiddleEast as being necessary for their own freedom and safety....pure suckers by the truckload.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

When you can show you have sweated blood and drunk water from a muddy track then you can cast aspirations-

Sweat blood?. & drink muddy water?...how f**ck*n Hilarious.... , please enough of the highly imaginative melodramatics.

Ruark writes that he struggled till about midday on a 'hard' mornings hunt,
before leisurely being driven back to camp to quickly consume more copious amounts of Gin, before sitting down to lunch.
NO Blood-sweat or muddy-track water for him,..instead just clear cool mind-numbing Firewater.
He pretty much lead the charmed-life,..the part that ever worked or suffered the most in him, was his poor innocent liver.

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Before you ask-yes i have been the miles and can name names places and times -unlike you.

I didnt ask and neither did anyone-else,...but somehow you still felt the desperate need to tell everyone that you have done some miles,
Since you feel your life story is superior to other peoples, then maybe you should try finding someone who really cares,
good luck with that since....

R.Ruarks last writing to be published was titled: "Nothing Works and Nobody Cares." ...

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You post pictures of guns you dont own

Thats OK since I have NEVER claimed to own rifles that I dont personally own.
[If you believe otherwise, then be a man and back up your accusation - and quote the examples]
Myself and many other AR people do enjoy and appreciate those photos of fine custom rifles, as evident by numerous positive responses.
If you personally dont like looking at them, then dont look, its that simple.
Saeed has not expressed a problem with photos of custom rifles being posted.

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Oh and by the way, most of what you know about religion just isn't so.

not surprisingly, Radical Muslims and Radical Evangelists seem to say the same thing,
-that only their interpretation is the correct one.

quote:

Originally posted by Sean Russell:

We will pass lightly over how little you know about.... hunting in general and aviation-

We?...who are the specific 'we' that you claim to be speaking for?
What aspect of aviation do you believe me to be wrong about?
IF you have military or commercial Fixed or rotaryWing PIC experience, please indicate what it to be.

I get the distinct feeling you would be a part-time private pilot at best,
or have just spent too much time playing flight-simulator on ones home computer.

well, now that the religious right has been heard from again, it's time for the lunatic left to jump in. there is a big difference between drunk and having a drink....i really can't recall reading where Ruarke, Hemingway, etc. admitted to being drunk while hunting. but you are the expert...can i get a BIG AMEN????

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
i really can't recall reading where Ruarke, Hemingway, etc. admitted to being drunk while hunting.

Then you clearly missed something in Ruarks writings.

History also notes he wasnt a big tough whitehunter who happened to be killed by a Rhino,Ele or Lion,
but instead shows he died aged 49,of chronic alcohol induced liver failure in a London hospital,
his once wife Virgnia who also suffered a personal drinking problem, died six months later.

In contrast to H.Selby who gave up hunting after 53 full seasons, only because of an ongoing knee problem following surgery.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

I said nothing defending anything-I merely questioned your assertions, and it turns out you cant back them up.

MY assertion simply was that Ruark was a chronic alcoholic that drank heavily on Safari.
I never claimed he shot or injured anyone with a firearm.
I clearly said that it was most fortunate that he didnt end up injuring anyone with a firearm...after heavily consuming alcohol on a daily basis,
while on Safari.

His own writings confirm that alcohol had hold on his life- to the extend that alcohol killed him.
If you missed it then you have either have not properly read Ruark, or you have very selective memory.

For both shootaway and Trax, I only click on the "Show Post" over at the right of the screen when there is a flurry of activity.
Once again, I am sorry I looked.
No redeeming social value again!

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
The farce is strong with both trax and shootaway.

Mr.Graham,

most people would be glad when illegal poachers and illegal trespassers with guns, get caught out and investigated by Police authorities.
You however, got all uptight & upset when I posted about NSW gov.GameCouncil acting executive McFarland, being investigated and charged for such.
You called it being 'anti guns/hunting'....WTF?.....what a bizzare view you have on the matter.
-Why would weeding out the dishonest-underhanded trash falsely representing the hunting community, be anti-Guns/hunting????
It intrigues as to why you would see it in such a strange light.

Another matter that makes me seriously wonder about you is the Boddington Banteng hunt.
You seem to be vocal on several things concerning hunting and related issues,
Yet when it involves SCI, celebrity Boddingtons and an illegal Banteng hunt,..you seem all so strangely quiet.
Why are you so silent about a subject that involves your own bread & butter hunting grounds in the far North?

IF my trusted sources are correct, Both You and Karl Goodhand believe that particular Banteng hunt to be an illegal affair.
But you appear to say next to nothing about the subject.
Does rocking the Boddington boat at SCI make you fearful of scaring away potential American hunter-CB fans, who might spend-up big
to hunt on your lucrative concession?

You would not be putting money before being vocal about known law breakers & illegal hunting operators,..or would you?

It really seems all so pathetic that:

1./ C.Boddington came on AR to vindicate himself over the Banteng hunt,but conveniently
failed to point out that it was actually his wife that was directly implicated in the Banteng issue.

2./ That CBs wife did not herself feel compelled to come to AR in defence of Craig.B,
when she knew very well that she was the Boddington on the questionable Banteng hunt.
Why no interest by her to quell the false rumours & confusion concerning an allegation toward Mr.CB?
A celebrity name hunter openly admitting that she may have been involved in an illegal hunt,
is just too much to hope for.

3./ That Matt Graham would be so publicly silent on a matter that seriously involves illegal hunting & trespass with firearms,
in his own lucrative corner-region of the hunting world.


It would seem that some people are more interested in protecting their own personal interests & public image,
than actually discussing the truth or being open and transparent about certain things, that they fear might adversely
effect how the world views them.

Look at T.Herald for example, if he had a sincere interest to help Stu Taylor as much as possible,
He would have had something posted in his personal home-webpage about the fund raising going on for Stu Taylor.
But I guess that having something that reminds the public about the fact that He shot someone,
does not gel nicely with the commercial sponsors on the same page.
...Sorry Stu Taylor,that you dont rank very highly on Heralds priority list, after the catastrophic damage he caused you.
His own superficial glossy commercial image comes first.

trax, you are a complete ass

yep. but the "good' news is that he has taken the pressure off George. maybe there should be a "1 idiot/thread" rule.