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AZwriter and Tod Williams: IF you're a trophy hunter, stepping out of a truck and having the game take off, is part of the challenge. Follow it, stalk it, etc. If just meat hunting, and shot from a truck, like in a cull hunt, what difference does it make. I have set up on a trail, etc., waiting for deer, know the game, though never from a tree stand, which I'd like to see outlawed. When hunting that way, though, still amounts to ambushing. When you've spotted a deer, or whatever, at a couple 100 yds, and worked your way in close, you've hunted it. Hunt means to go out and look for, not set in a tree, in full camo, in a box that the animal can't see into, and just wait. Oh, yeah, you have to have scent blocker on too. Hunting doesn't mean getting a shot, let alone game every time you go out, or even every year. There are a lot more deer now than there used to be, so probably possible to get one every year, or season, but I can remember when 1 deer a year all that was allowed, and few folks got one every year. Now we have folks bragging about how many they've "shot", which is just what they've done, shot them. Where I live, we are now allowed 40 deer per hunter per year, they are so numerous. When I started hunting, we weren't even sure we'd see a deer every year, and when we did, had to be a buck. But same thing with Africa. Get out of the truck and start walking and stalking. I can't see any challenge shooting something from a truck, or a blind. That's just where I come from, and the way I hunt. | |||
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Where does hunting starts? I have heard people complain of hunters: Shooting from the truck Shooting on waterholes Using scopes Using rifles Shooting from a blind Using the services of a professional hunter Shooting at long distance Using baits | |||
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In most safari areas it is necessary to use a hunting car, because the concessions are so large. IMO the proper use of a hunting vehicle is to transport hunters along the two-tracks till either game is spotted then drive on and stalk back through the bush to look them over, or to find tracks crossing the road, and set off on the spoor till the animals are found then look them over for quality. The fact is the vehicle is the most valuable as a time saver and to transport the downed game back to the skinning shed. Even the very wealthy of hunters are limited in “TIME” to hunt, and without the use of a vehicle for the purposes I described above then, again IMO, it is being properly used. Anyone who thinks hunting cars will disappear is poking his head in the sand! Simply because you use the vehicle to cover more ground doesn’t make it un-fair chasse! You find cape buffalo or elephant tracks crossing the road that is as little as one hour old, you may still be on those tracks 5-6 hours later, and not find a shooter among them! Was that an unfair advantage because you found those tracks from a hunting car? ............................................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Saeed the hunting people are objecting to STARTS at their keybords in most cases! Every one of those people, me included, have done and do some of the things all others object to! So that leaves if it is legal and you agree with it do it, if you don't agree with it don't do it! If it is illegal then don't do it whether you agree with or not! ........................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I watched Northwest Hunter last evening. I am definitely disapointed in Pat Boyer, the host of Northwest Hunter, for shooting springbok and black wildebeast from a truck. Yes, it is legal in RSA. Yes, it does provide a stable shooting platform. But, it is not hunting but merely shooting. I say get your a$$ out of the truck and get dirty. The PH claimed it was difficult to stalk in that terrain. Hell, get that PH over here to eastern MT and show him some real difficult terrain to stalk. Someone earlier in this thread said "when in Rome...do as the romans would do". "To hell with the romans and any PH that would detail me to shoot from the truck! I am an able bodied 64 year old man who can walk upright and crawl damn well. I assume that the host of Northwest Hunter can do the same. After he took each animal the PH had the truck driven right up to the animal. All jumped from the truck and walked right up to the downed animals for the photo op. None seemed to have any disabilities or inability to walk. IMO only, I say this is not right in my book. My rant! MTG | |||
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I'll take critisism from a guy who hunts with a rock or sharp stick.(not bow & arrow) Other than that, I don't care how others do it & don't care what they think about how I do it. I don't push my values on you, please refrain from pushing yours on me. GOOD LUCK & GOOD HUNTING LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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Bwana cecil, if you are refering to me I say this is my opinion. I cannot control how other act on their hunt. Altho', when something of this nature is put up for public viewing it paints us all in a poor light. This is what the anti-hunting society wants to us against hunting as a sport. Hunt as you see fit. But you only have to please the person in the mirror. MTG | |||
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I see a lot of the big names on AR decided not to touch this subject. NRA Benefactor Life Member RMEF Life member Pheasants Forever life member National Trappers Assn. life member WTA member Boone and Crocket club member Wild Sheep Foundation member | |||
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MTG My post was not aimed at you, but everyone that thinks their way of hunting is the right or only way it should be done. There are things other hunters do that I disagree with, I just try not to judge them. Yes, some of what I do is way more shooting than hunting, I understand that & am OK with it. Where I deer hunt we are required to hunt from stands or sitting on the ground in an area that you are sighned into because of landowner liability & that's their rule & if I want to hunt there I must abide by it. I much prefer spot & stalk,, but try that in the swampy area I hunt & you'll make so much noise that you won't see anything let alone a whitetail deer. I'm not mad at anyone & ask forgiveness of those that I might offend, just please don't think your way is the only way & everyone should hunt as you do. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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Tissue: I'm sure glad there are "experts" like yourself to educate me on how I've been hunting incorrectly for the last 43 years. I'll try to live up to YOUR expectations from now on! | |||
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Because it is a dead horse issue,  , simple as that.We all have our own individual concept of what is and what is not ethical, and that is the way it should be. At some point individual freedom of choice, as long as it is legal, will take precedent over "group" ethics. If the person that is paying for the hunt does not want to shoot from a vehicle, it is that persons Responsibility, to express that to the guide/PH. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Bwana cecil, you are correct. My way is not the only way. Thanks for your honesty and common sense. Spot and stalk is my way to hunt. This pleases me in my quest for the game animals that I hunt. Indeed I am not successful all the time. But, I do have the adventure and the memory of the hunt. Call it what you may. I love it! MTG | |||
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No, that is not photoshopped. A guy on one of the leases my boss manages has something similar and the first time he used it he spent a cpouple of hours in it after dark because he did not know how to let it down.
Texas is not the only state in the US that does allow the use of blinds and feeders, it is just the one where it is more prevelent. Also, not taking real offense at your remark about Texas and how Texans feel about their home, but, the map of America would look damn funny if Texas was not part of it. Now, I am willing to say that I don't have any trouble with the rest of America, Do You Have A Problem With Texas/Texans? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC, I've lived and hunted in Texas all my life, and I never saw a tree stand or blind till I was 40 years old. That method started in south and east Texas but one rarely sees even ntoday those things in the Western half of Texas. The tree stands started in the southern states of Louisiana to the east coast below the Mason Dickson line. Now at least tree stands are used in most eastern states. In Texas the feeder and pop-ups have spread fatrther west in Texas but not practiced by most hunters in the western half of Texas even today. In the transition zone where there is a mix of Muledeer, and Whitetails the country tends to be canyon country and where tre stands or feeders would do you little good, because the whitetails have stared acting like muledeer and do not use game trails that much but tend to roam about like muleys! Friends, Texas seems to be thought of by folks who have never even been to Texas, and certainly not hunted Texas, to be nothing but high fence game ranches, and with a feeder behind every bush. It just "ain't so"! I was born in Texas and have lived in Texas most of my 75 years, and I never saw a high fence till I was 30 years old while traveling through East Texas going to louisiana and didn't know why it was there till someone told me about the Y-O Game ranch. I never used a tree stand till I hunted black bear in Canada, So I guess Canada must be one of the counties of Texas.  I would say the misconception comes from hunting magazines printing articles about their writers on group hunts on places like the Y-O and because all of Texas is privately owned people simply assume because the land is privately owned they must be high fence game breeding ranches. Gentlemen it is 890 mile across Texas east to west, and 1100 mile across it from south to north, and that my friends is a lot of land to paint with the same wide brush! ........................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Mac: Interesting trivia question...What is the halfway mark when you drive from Houston to LA? Ans: El Paso. Houston is very nearly the halfway mark when you drive from El Paso to Jacksonville, FL A big state indeed! | |||
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In fact El Paso is closer to LA than to Dallas/Fort Worth, and there is 200 miles of Texas east of D/FW to the louisiana line. .............................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Mac, I live 30 miles north of the Mason-DIXON line. I have hunted in Texas once for spring gobblers, I do like Texas I travel from Pa to go to the DSC. and some people on here paint the whole of the US with a wide brush. All that said after 10yrs posting here that are just not too many NEW subjects. Like most states and countries Texas has some people that are not very likable. | |||
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No arguement with your statements Mac, but just to give a little non important info, but at 75 your right at 14 years older than me. I killed my first deer in 1970, I was 20 years old by 2 months. It wasn't until 1975 or 76 that I started seeing stands of any kind, no one I knew of fed corn, does were not legal, limit was 1 deer buck only, and I did not know anyone that bow hunted. Jump into the 1980's and things really started changing. Stands/blinds, automatic feeders, then all the accoutrements we have now. the first 20 or 30 thead of deer I killed were all done spot and stalk. This was in Young county texas, around Graham. Places at that time were $1.00 an acre and the land owners did not care how many folkss hunted the place or what they killed. In that area, many ranchers/farmers look on deer liker it was a pest. I did not really start hunting from blinds until the early 90's and part of the reason for that, is that Lora is not able to shoot offhand, so spot and stalk for her was out of the question. As for west Texas, from the panhandle to the Big Bend area, things have changed out there. while the majority of places still do without stands, many have gone to using feeders and every year when I make my trip out to Pecos county to do the javelina hunts, from San Angelo to fort Stockton, I see more and more stands sprouting up every year, same with the eastern half of the Panhandle from Childress up thru Canadian. While the white tails are picking up some of the muleys habits, the muleys have learned real fast what feeders are for. You are correct, at least for the time being, but over the majority of the state, spot and stalk/still hunting is fading away. In 2010, I killed my first bear from a tree stand overlooking a bait pile in Idaho county, and that definitely ain't part of Texas. Just to run this topic a little farther off course, it never ceases to amaze me, when talking to fellow Texans about hunting methods, how many of them find shooting a bear from a stand over a bait pile as reprehensible, but have no trouble killing deer coming in to a timed feeder like Pavlov's dog. About the only thing the above nonsense proves is that me and you are old and have seen days that will not be seen again. My hat is off to you Sir.   Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Crazy: Since we are so far off topic, your post reminds me how much hunting in TX has changed since the great John Wootters penned his classic "Hunting Trophy Deer" - together with "Safari Rifles" (CB) and "The Modern Rifle" (Carmichel) one of my favorite books of all time. | |||
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It really has changed, and in my opinion, not for the better, as far as Hunting is concerned. As far as being Big business and providing part of my income it is great, but as far as the feel and the spirit of the old deer camps and the idea that any deer killed was quality. The stuff those of us that were there and experienced it has died and is waiting for us to join it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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There seems to be quite a bit more game in Texas than when I was young; Deer, Bobcats, Fox, Coyotes and especially our nemesis (PIGS). Our quail are the exception and there are all sorts of "professors" trying to figure that one out. All sorts of ideas; pigs, ants, disease, habitat, raptors, drought.. None of these has really hurt any other animal save the drought last year. Some things are better here. | |||
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Some will dispute this, but anyone that can remember how things were here, there appears to be a direct correlation between the increased demand for deer and managing for that pecies and the decline in quail numbwers. That is one reason many of the "Experts" do not want to say anything, deer are too big a business. JMO!!!!!!! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Absolutely, just like every other state in the union, and in fact the world, including PA! It seems to me that the unlikable people are always someplace other than where the speaker/poster is from! This thread is a fine example of that fact, with the little rift between Zim and RSA that started this little donnibrook! ....................................................................  BYE!....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I have been hunting in Africa for 30 years. All my hunts have been in either Zimbabwe or Tanzania, except two, which were in South Africa. I remember clearly the first shooting from the truck came up. We were driving along, and saw some zebra we were looking for. I jumped out of the truck and shot one. The PH with me was laughing; "you don't need to jump from the truck, you could have shot him from up there" "I thought we are not supposed to shoot from the truck?" "Not here, you can shoot from anywhere you like!" Having hunted for so long, I have learnt one thing. Animals make the hunt very hard sometimes. In fact, they can make it impossible to get a shot when you think everything is going to be so easy. So I take it as it comes. I will gladly follow a buffalo, lion, elephant, etc all day and get back to camp empty handed. As has happened to me on many occasions. I will gladly jump out of the truck and shoot an animal we have seen as we drive along. Last year we were driving along mid-morning, and we saw a lone buffalo bull standing a few hundred yards away. We stopped the truck, and thought a short stroll will bring us close to him. We would shoot him, load him up, and head back to camp to have our lunch. 11 kilometers later, and having seen that they were actually 3 bulls, we had to head back to our truck empty handed. A few days later, we saw the same three bulls coming towards us from across the river just before sun down. We had to run and meet them, and managed to shoot all three. This is what I call hunting. And one has to accept what comes his way. | |||
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I miss wild quail. I became a big game hunter because of the lack of quail. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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"Totally" is not true in many instances. Just a few examples. Other than bears, it's quite legal to bait deer and other big game in AZ. In Idaho, baiting bears is even legal, and of course, Texas allows baiting for deer and turkey. There are also exceptions to the no shooting from vehicles as long as the vehicle/shooter is not on a maintained right-of-way. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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Aaron, Just for accuracys sake, the Indians shoot from vehicles while hunting off reservation on the Nez Perce National Forrest and according to 2 Fish and Game officers of my acquaintance it is legal. They also shoot Bighorns from jet boats on the Snake in November when the season is closed to every other color of person. This too is off reservation. So when discussing the rules of hunting in the west it's important to understand there are 2 sets of rules based on skin color. It's a good lesson for us on how unfair the old Jim Crow laws in the south were. | |||
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So the old JC laws of the past make this present practice right? Who would have guessed. | |||
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When Lora and I were in Idaho in 2010 on my bear hunt, the outfitter and his wife told us about a cow and calf moose that had been hanging out along a stretch of the Clearwater I think, outside of Elk City or down by Red River, somewhere in that area. The locals had been watching the calfs progress all summer, what with the wolf problem in that area. Then one afternoon, two guys in a truck with Nez Perce tribal plates on the truck pulled up, shot the cow and calf, loaded them up and left. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Lets throw the paddle in the creek. You been hunting Kudu for days now seen some real nice bulls and one bull in a certain area keeps giving you the slip. Youve walked your ass off up the mountain down the mountain even tried waiting for him up high overlooking a valley. Then one morning/Afternoon on your way back to try again youre in thick cover come round a corner and there he is 80-100yds of to the side. . . just as startled as you are. your in the jump seat rifles in your hands. If you move hes gone. . . . . whats your next move  Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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"your in the jump seat rifles in your hands. If you move hes gone. . . . .whats your next move" Dave - He's given me the slip again. It is up to each man to set his own ethical standard. Whatever his standard is he needs to live by it. If he compromises once he will compromise again. The result is that he no longer has a set of rules that he lives by. Instead, anything goes if it is more convenient or more accommodating. Once that happens he has no ethical standard, i.e. no ethics. . | |||
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I would look at him, probably curse, probably sight on him through my scope...and then let him go. If I shoot him, I have robbed myself of the chance of ever taking him in what I think of as the "proper" manner, and every time I look at the mount or the picture, or even think of the event, I will be a little disappointed in myself. I once passed on a big whitetail buck, one I knew and had pursued for two years, in just this fashion. He was shot the next year by a neighbour. I have also succumbed to the temptation of the moment and, without taking the time to think, shot a deer in just this way. He is one of the two or three biggest deer I have ever taken, and yet his mount now hangs on the back of the garage. I don't see it unless I go out of my way to look. You've got to satisfy yourself. p.s. While I painfully pecked this out on the keyboard, Grenadier beat me to it...and said it better! | |||
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Yes sir, I have seen those kind of ethics in action and it is really surprising how values/ethics for man y individuals change as the end of the hunt draws near and the reality of the situation hits you between the hairy eye balls. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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