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Originally posted by Saeed:
What is the difference between shooting off the back of a horse and shooting off the back of the truck?

The horse will usually leave you lying on the ground with your ass up in the air.

Hunter: But I thought you said I could shoot off that horse?

Guide: That I did. You didn't ask me what would happen, though.

Horses inhale & exhale, fidjit around, shake & their emergency brake won't stay engaged.
And a good horse can still act stupid every now & then.
A truck is a much more steady rest.
Oh, we're talking about ethics here, aren't we?
Then use the horse, many more chances for things to go wrong giving the critter being pursued more chances to get away.
But personally, I like things to be in my favor.

Ethics are Individual concepts, shoot from the truck/don't shoot from the truck, same with a horse, and if stories are to be believed, from the back of a tracker/gun bearer as Bell is alleged to have done. As long as it is legal and the person doing it is content with their decision, Then In The Grand Scheme Of Things, That Is All That Matters.

I have a hard time finding fault with this statement:

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"A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact." Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac

Internet anonymity allows individuals to make claims of higher ethical standards than those that admit to taking advantage of opportunities that may present themselves during a hunt. I have no problem deciding which individuals I would prefer to hunt with.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

I have a hard time finding fault with this statement:

That must be a first!

My question was in relation to hunters in the old days before trucks.

They used to chase animals all over the place and shoot from thee back of the horses.

I did not hear anyone complaining about that.

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That must be a first!

Do you find fault with Leopold's statement??????

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My question was in relation to hunters in the old days before trucks.

They used to chase animals all over the place and shoot from thee back of the horses.

I did not hear anyone complaining about that.

That all took place before the days of enlightenment and ethics were invented!

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Originally posted by Outdoor Writer:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
What is the difference between shooting off the back of a horse and shooting off the back of the truck?

The horse will usually leave you lying on the ground with your ass up in the air.

Hunter: But I thought you said I could shoot off that horse?

Guide: That I did. You didn't ask me what would happen, though.

O W I heard this basic question and answer in the Saddleback Mountains of New Mexico! However it went like this! Hunter from his position on the ground; "I thought you said I could shoot off the horse! guide's answer; I did say you could shoot off the horse, but you shot ON the horse!
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It is my understanding that it is OK to hunt from horse back if you use 4 to 8 bore muzzleloaders and black powder in Africa or in the case of bison if you use a long bow, wear mocasins and have at least one feather in your hair. Hunting from an ox drawn wagon is definately frowned on though.



465H&H

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Originally posted by Saeed:
What is the difference between shooting off the back of a horse and shooting off the back of the truck?

no matter Landrover or horse, apparently even leaving your mode of transport "vehicle" to take your shot is still not considered a sporting challenge by some.

I don't think Roosevelt actually "hunted" that Rhino, he simply walked up and shot it....

non the less he fulfilled the requirements that some here deem necessary for it to be considered hunting rather than shooting....

As Roosevelt stands over a freshly shot eland, a native guide approaches with the news of a rhinoceros sighted near by. Roosevelt follows the guide accompanied by Captain Arthur Slatter, an Englishman who runs an ostrich farm and an excellent hunter despite earlier losing his right hand......

"Slatter and I immediately rode in the direction given, following our wild-looking guide; the other gun-bearer trotting after us. In five minutes we had reached the opposite hillcrest, where the watcher stood, and he at once pointed out the rhino. The huge beast was standing in entirely open country, although there were a few scattered trees of no great size at some little distance from him. We left our horses in a dip of the ground and began the approach; I cannot say that we stalked him, for the approach was too easy. The wind blew from him to us, and a rhino's eyesight is dull. Thirty yards from where he stood was a bush four or five feet high, and through the leaves, it shielded us from the vision of his small, piglike eyes as we advanced toward it, stooping and in single file, I leading. The big beast stood like an uncouth statue, his hide black in the sunlight; he seemed what he was, a monster surviving over from the world's past, from the days when the beasts of the prime ran riot in their strength, before man grew so cunning of brain and hand as to master them. So little did he dream of our presence that when we were a hundred yards off he actually lay down.

"Walking lightly, and with every sense keyed up, we at last reached the bush, and I pushed forward the safety of the double-barreled Holland rifle which I was now to use for the first time on big game. As I stepped to one side of the bush so as to get a clear aim, with Slatter following, the rhino saw me and jumped to his feet with the agility of a polo pony. As he rose I put in the right barrel, the bullet going through both lungs. At the same moment he wheeled, the blood spouting from his nostrils, and galloped full on.

"Before he could get quite all the way round in his headlong rush to reach us, I struck him with my left-hand barrel, the bullet entering between the neck and shoulder and piercing his heart. At the same instant Captain Slatter fired, his bullet entering the neck vertebrae. Ploughing up the ground with horn and feet, the great bull rhino, still head toward us, dropped just thirteen paces from where we stood. "This was a wicked charge, for the rhino meant mischief and came on with the utmost determination."

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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That must be a first!

Do you find fault with Leopold's statement??????

Absolutely not! It happens to be one of my favourite hunting quotes. Words to live by...

Just curious, I have always subscribed to it.

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Originally posted by Trax:

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Nitrox:
One shoots from a truck.

One hunts on foot.

and one shoots lion and leopard from a blind/over a bait,...real lion hunting is done by tracking on foot, correct?

and one is not truly a hunter/worthy of a trophy if they track and finish off a wounded cat[or buff] from a helicopter, but according to some doing same from the relative safety/advantage of a vehicle is OK.[compared to on foot]..others think using the land vehicle in pursuit of wounded DG is also a no-no, or discrediting choice of action.

Then again if its the PH who's actually required to find and finish off the beast, is it really the clients success/trophy?

When your hunting animals for personal pleasure or trophy you have the luxury of implementing all sort of ethical boundaries ideologies that you may choose operate from.
Put yourself in a situation where you were essentially required to regularly take animals for survival/food and I bet one would devise/implement methods to make ones task as easy as possible.

I was wondering where I'd seen the "Trax" alias, and now remembered, you're the guy we at NitroExpress have been watching pinching for a couple of years UNIQUE photos nowhere else on the web (exclusive permission from the gunmakers arranged), and posting them claiming the firearms as your own.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

I was wondering where I'd seen the "Trax" alias, and now remembered, you're the guy we at NitroExpress have been watching pinching for a couple of years UNIQUE photos nowhere else on the web (exclusive permission from the gunmakers arranged), and posting them claiming the firearms as your own.

Nitrox,
show us the appropriate link to support your claim, otherwise don't clutter this thread with your nonsensical crap.

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Originally posted by Trax:
Nitrox,
show us the appropriate link to support your claim, otherwise don't clutter this thread with your nonsensical crap.

Sure funny for someone that refuses to answer any questions to be demanding info--

Just saying-----

SSR

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Originally posted by Cross L:
Sure funny for someone that refuses to answer any questions to be demanding info--

Just saying-----

SSR

Since Nitrox has made an accusation, it seems only reasonable that he should back it up.
and what NitroExpress.com has to with the discussion of "shooting from a truck"in the AR-AHF, I don't really know.
You'd think a moderator from another site would know better.

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Originally posted by Trax:

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Originally posted by Cross L:
Sure funny for someone that refuses to answer any questions to be demanding info--

Just saying-----

SSR

Since Nitrox has made an accusation, is seems only reasonable that he should back it up.
and what NitroExpress.com has to with the subject of "shooting from a truck"in the AR-AHF, I don't really know.
You'd think a moderator from another site would know better.

Trax I'm not taking sides because I have no dog in this pit fight,nor do I have an opinion one way or the other with you and NitroX's little disagreement, but would like to make one correction! NitroX is not only a moderator, but the owner of NitroExpress.com

.....................................................................................................................Now back to the shooting!
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As I posted before

The topic on this thread was dead already.

We know exactly where the collection of photos came from. As one of our members obtained exclusive permission to post them.

Later he found one troll posting them as claiming them as his own firearms. I believe Trax you have recently been questioned here about this sort of thing, and not by me but by astute members of AR.

We never followed up the falsehoods previously as some of the gunmakers are very classy and don't like to be associated with fights and crap. Or be posted on forums where fights are common.

You can fool some of the people, some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Again

PS This troll is definitely being shot from the truck and with a spotlight. Trolls don't like the spotlight being shined on them. Ha ha.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

Later he found one troll posting them as claiming them as his own firearms.

Your boss of NitroExpress, so instead of making lame excuses,have some gumption and post the NE link that would back up your accusations.
Your incapacity to provide any proof, reflects very poorly on your standing as moderator/owner of NE.
This thread has to do with "shooting from trucks", but you decide to disrupt it by bringing up a subject thats totally irrelevant to it.
Why do you have that deranged compulsion?

ha ha ha

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Originally posted by MacD37:
O W I heard this basic question and answer in the Saddleback Mountains of New Mexico! However it went like this! Hunter from his position on the ground; "I thought you said I could shoot off the horse! guide's answer; I did say you could shoot off the horse, but you shot ON the horse!
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Mac,

Yup, that's another variation.

In my MUCH younger days, circa mid 70s, I owned a lodge at Vallecito Lake just outside of Durango, Colo. and guided elk & deer hunters on horseback hunts into the Weminuche Wilderness. As a result, the "Can I shoot off the horse" question often came up on the first day in camp.

A couple other responses to the question:

"Sure can. It's always better to get off them to shoot because you can't hit a dang thing sitting on one."

"Yeah, once." This one usually prompted the follow-up question of "Why's that?" and the follow-up answer of "Because once you shoot, you'll be picking your ass up off the ground."

Now, that said, I strictly PROHIBITED hunters from shooting off their mounts even if the horse would stand for it. Why? Because of the possible inherent danger for the hunter's well-being and the possible damage to the horse's ears.

Anyone who has ever had a large caliber rifle fired close to their head will quickly tell you it ain't a pleasant experience.

One thing I did to greatly discourage it was set up their rifle scabbards where the butts faced rearward and sat along the horses' left flanks. In that position, it was virtually impossible to remove the rifle without dismounting. Plus, it prevented the rifle from snagging bushes, etc. if the horse brushed up against one too closely.

The guys hunting lion or elephant on horseback sometimes got eaten or stomped.

Horseback hunting for lion was often done to induce a lion charge, ride away, then when the lion stopped, dismount to shoot it.

A far different proposition from shooting from a Landcruiser.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

ha ha ha

The fact that you are unable provide any NE based evidence, proves you have no substance or credibility as a person.

I guess there are people who are comfortable with an existence like that.

Taking DG from a truck doesnt seem anywhere near as weak & cowardly.

But I'm confident you will post again, and again provide no evidence of your NE accusation.

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Originally posted by Trax:

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Originally posted by NitroX:

ha ha ha

The fact that you are unable provide any NE based evidence, proves you have no substance or credibility as a person.

I guess there are people who are comfortable with an existence like that.

Taking DG from a truck doesnt seem anywhere near as weak & cowardly.

But I'm confident you will post again, and again provide no evidence of your NE accusation.

The above sounds like a troll whom operates from an anonymous alias pinching unique photos and posting them elsewhere without even any credit. I think you are looking in a mirror when you make those comments.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/6241064951

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/1481006161


Reportedly that is just two examples of many. If those examples are followed up to the original sources there are posted comments of emails supplying them by the gunmaker and not to some BSer called 'Trax'.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

I was wondering where I'd seen the "Trax" alias, and now remembered, you're the guy we at NitroExpress have been watching pinching for a couple of years UNIQUE photos nowhere else on the web (exclusive permission from the gunmakers arranged), and posting them claiming the firearms as your own.

My own rifles, really?
concerning those AR posts of D&D rifles that you refer to, where do I state/claim to personally own those rifles?...

You do have a really vivid imagination there,..alcohol/substance abuse?,..or may be you have simply lost your marbles!
voices in your head responsible for telling you to post such unfounded nonsensical crap?

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Originally posted by NitroX:

The above sounds like a troll whom operates from an anonymous alias pinching unique photos and posting them elsewhere without even any credit. I think you are looking in a mirror when you make those comments.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/6241064951

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/1481006161

Wrong retard,

I clearly gave credit and acknowledgement to D&D as the makers of those rifles.
Those images originate from the D&D website, they were in no way exclusive to your NE forums.
Im sure you will remain the rash assuming fool that you have revealed yourself to be, but at least try getting over your irrelevant self importance.

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Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

Originally posted by NitroX:

I was wondering where I'd seen the "Trax" alias, and now remembered, you're the guy we at NitroExpress have been watching pinching for a couple of years UNIQUE photos nowhere else on the web (exclusive permission from the gunmakers arranged), and posting them claiming the firearms as your own.

My own rifles, really?
concerning those AR posts of D&D rifles that you refer to, where do I state/claim to personally own those rifles?...

You do have a really vivid imagination there,..alcohol/substance abuse?,..or may be you have simply lost your marbles!
voices in your head responsible for telling you to post such unfounded nonsensical crap?

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Originally posted by NitroX:

The above sounds like a troll whom operates from an anonymous alias pinching unique photos and posting them elsewhere without even any credit. I think you are looking in a mirror when you make those comments.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/6241064951

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/1481006161

Wrong retard,

I clearly gave credit and acknowledgement to D&D as the makers of those rifles.
Those images originate from the D&D website, they were in no way exclusive to your NE forums.
Im sure you will remain the rash assuming fool that you have revealed yourself to be, but at least try getting over your irrelevant self importance.

I don't see attribution on either thread-giving the name of the maker says nothing about the owner-
And it is assumed when you post pics that if not otherwise stated then they belong to you--


where did you say you were from?

SSR

So, has the Shooting From The Truck issue officially died and this is now a thread concerning character assassinations???????

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
So, has the Shooting From The Truck issue officially died and this is now a thread concerning character assassinations???????

Was it ever anything else?

Welcome to the Internet.

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Originally posted by Trax:
Those images originate from the D&D website, they were in no way exclusive to your NE forums.

Incorrect. The images were provided by EMAIL to only two persons.

One of who was provided them to post on NE.

Funny you posted reportedly a number of sets of photos all which originate from NE, and again the owners of the rifles or the gunmakers, provided them all DIRECTLY to NE. Some of the sets of photos are privately owned and not on any gunmaker website. Only on NE.

But I see from your other posts you will just bluster, insult and carry on with your trolls behaviour. I've proved my accusations and am finished with exposing and feeding this anonymous troll titled "Trax".

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
So, has the Shooting From The Truck issue officially died and this is now a thread concerning character assassinations???????

Character assasination? No. Exposing crooks and trolls. Steal copyrighted material (without even any acknowledgement of the source) and expect at least to get exposed publicly.