Hey folks, remember this one?? Rhino that was premeasured and offered to the highest bidder Over on the Bowsite, the one owned and run by the "Canned Lion" hunter, just posted as being taken by a bow hunter and is the new #1 SCI.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

World's biggest loser in my book.

so you order your lions and rhinos on Bowsite and not from Cabelas? damn i guess my Cabelas gift card won't do me much good. at least 2th doc can now do all his trophy shopping in one place.

Has it accually been accepted as SCI #1?

If so, it will leave no doubt in my mind of what GREAT things SCI is doing to improve our lot as hunters!

If they did not accept canned lions, while do they accept canned rhino?

A real WIMP sent me a message saying that I have been asking for what has SCI done in Africa.

This is "one of their better known" programs! He said.

He added "I don't have a rhino skin like yours to take on SCI and their supporters"!

Really a shame someone would actually do this you dont even earn the right to harvent the animal because no work is invovled only thing that entitles you to this rhino is your check book

thors460, there are those that post here that already know what a check book can "earn".

I should have known?? I posted this information to let everyone know that somebody took the bait and shot the Rhino that was put up for sale, very sad indeed. Immediately some jump on this and start an immediate slam of SCI. This is not an SCI issue. They didn't put up the money for this person to shoot this Rhino. It's the same old thing of someone buying their supposed trophy instead of really earning/hunting it. Most likely the person will also put the animal in Rowland Ward as well? Don't blame the record keeping organizations, put the blame if you will on the one who choose to go this route.

Here we go again DOJ, more from the bash'em crowd heh?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
thors460, there are those that post here that already know what a check book can "earn".

Very true.

Just imagine, if people did not havr to pay for their trophies, there would not be any SCI INNER CIRCLES

Does anyone know what the bowhunter paid for the number 1 SCI awarding winning trophy of the year?

In addition, the upcoming SCI awards banquet will be honoring the bowhunter with a gold-platinum rhino horn statue. You can also purchase an atuograph copy of the hunt on DVD for $19.95.

There are douchebags everywhere from the whitetail woods to the plains of Africa.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
I should have known?? I posted this information to let everyone know that somebody took the bait and shot the Rhino that was put up for sale, very sad indeed. Immediately some jump on this and start an immediate slam of SCI. This is not an SCI issue. They didn't put up the money for this person to shoot this Rhino. It's the same old thing of someone buying their supposed trophy instead of really earning/hunting it. Most likely the person will also put the animal in Rowland Ward as well? Don't blame the record keeping organizations, put the blame if you will on the one who choose to go this route.

Here we go again DOJ, more from the bash'em crowd heh?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

So maybe SCI should put an asterix next to it like they suggest for Barry Bonds homerun record.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
I should have known?? I posted this information to let everyone know that somebody took the bait and shot the Rhino that was put up for sale, very sad indeed. Immediately some jump on this and start an immediate slam of SCI. This is not an SCI issue. They didn't put up the money for this person to shoot this Rhino. It's the same old thing of someone buying their supposed trophy instead of really earning/hunting it. Most likely the person will also put the animal in Rowland Ward as well? Don't blame the record keeping organizations, put the blame if you will on the one who choose to go this route.

Here we go again DOJ, more from the bash'em crowd heh?

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Larry,

SCI has brought this upon themselves.

They have made BIGGER is BETTER the holy grail of hunting, regardless of how one gets his "trophy"!

I would guess that many of the higher ups on the trophy list only care about "mine is bigger than yours".

And not hunting for the love of it.

I believe I remember seeing this hunt for 130,000 last year Im not bashing sci but I think it is still on the old system of the super elite circle and who can afford to buy their way into the books but thats why I choose not score my animals and just worry about the hunt the moment

thors460, good for you. I do find it funny that in say Texas every hunting store runs their BIG BUCK contest each year. I wonder why score doesn't matter when it comes to game other than Whitetails. To some people it only matters how many they kill. You know 5,10 maybe 15. It doesn't matter if they are mature or what like a Spike buck.

So let me get this straight. Someone makes the decision to spend a lot of money to hunt/shoot what was most likely a semi-tame rhino for whatever personal reason and it is all SCI's fault??? They somehow made him do it?? Wow that is one real stretch of somebodys imagination. Blame a record keeping organization, what about all the other "books" out there, for being the underlying reason this person did what he chose to do? Logic like this is obviously in the minds of folks with personal agendas spilling over bigtime!!

I'll have to remember this one when I pay my next large trophy fee, pay an outfitter big bucks to elk hunt, and pay those outrageous fees for out of State licenses. Oh, SCI made me do it!! Give me a break.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Whilst I'm not a fan of SCI, I have to say I don't think the organisation itself can carry any blame for this kind of thing at all. To me it's the human disease of inch book mentality aka my dicks bigger than your dick disease.

If SCI didn't publish a record book these people would just worship one of the other record books as their god.

Whilst I understand the record books have a place in hunting, I admittedly find it hard to understand how some people can set what to me should be the fineness, joy and thrill of hunting aside and replace it with inch disease and from my experience, when this happens the hunter stops enjoying his hunting and replaces it a dogged misery if they don't get what they want....... similar to a spoilt child in a sweetshop when he's told he can't have everything he wants......

In other words, it's the human competitive instinct and overdeveloped arrogance that's to blame and not SCI etc.

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Originally posted by shakari:
Whilst I'm not a fan of SCI, I have to say I don't think the organisation itself can carry any blame for this kind of thing at all.

Well said Steve, I salute you on that one.
Only that one mind you! Okay, maybe a few others as well....

Dave

Why is this Rhino so special? It is not really any different than any other Rhino shot in RSA. Anyone who has ever shot a Rhino in RSA, regardless of size, is just as big a dufus as this guy. Why not be an equal opportunity critic?

They are all canned there so why bother?

To carry this a little farther. Non of us here really knows the motives behind this persons quest to harvest this particular Rhino. It's quite possible the record books of SCI, Rowland Ward etc. have nothing to do with it at all? I won't judge the man, no matter what reason/s he had, his money, his ethics, his loss or gain. But to blame a Record Keeping Organization" for his actions is beyond me.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Larry,

You mentioned SCI in your post, so it is logical for us to assume he is shooting it for the record book.

What would that animal have been worth had both SCI and RW explicitly stated that they would not accept for listing domestic livestock of any species?

When that head is displayed, as it inevitably will be, hunters should join together in a chorus of "Mooos"...

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Larry,

You mentioned SCI in your post, so it is logical for us to assume he is shooting it for the record book.

Saeed,

HE is shooting it for the record book, not the SCI president.

So then, if we were all to concur with your blinkered viewpoint, anyone who mentions SCI should be considered to be associated with or supporting that organization? How many guys take a splendid trophy and say 'If I'd entered it, it would have been in the SCI top ten,' or whatever? Plenty of guys make such statements - are you going to jump all over them as well, just because you've personally got it in for SCI? The SCI record book has been used by thousands of hunters as a benchmark since its inception, where is the problem with that? This little blurt has nothing to do with this rhino deal which is just a joke, but it is absolutely ridiculous to go on trashing SCI over it. Anyway, whatever floats your boat....

David

I stated it is the poetential SCI #1, didn't say a word about him shooting it because of that reason. I don't even know if the guy is going to enter it in the SCI record book or any others for that matter, that's his choice. I know SCI wields a lot of power in the political arenas World Wide when it comes to standing up for us hunters, but didn't realize that power extended to "making" hunters spend big dollars, to shoot trophies expressly to enter in their book??


Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Larry,

You mentioned SCI in your post, so it is logical for us to assume he is shooting it for the record book.

Think of all the real hunting that amount of money could have bought, instead of a place in the Hall Of Infamy.

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Larry,

You mentioned SCI in your post, so it is logical for us to assume he is shooting it for the record book.

Saeed,

HE is shooting it for the record book, not the SCI president.

So then, if we were all to concur with your blinkered viewpoint, anyone who mentions SCI should be considered to be associated with or supporting that organization? How many guys take a splendid trophy and say 'If I'd entered it, it would have been in the SCI top ten,' or whatever? Plenty of guys make such statements - are you going to jump all over them as well, just because you've personally got it in for SCI? The SCI record book has been used by thousands of hunters as a benchmark since its inception, where is the problem with that? This little blurt has nothing to do with this rhino deal which is just a joke, but it is absolutely ridiculous to go on trashing SCI over it. Anyway, whatever floats your boat....

David

David,

It is SCI who have made it the Holy Grail to get into their record books.

It got to the so many wanabes have absolutely no interest in hunting per se, but to get into that classification.

I open Safari Magazine sometimes, and all I could see is AWARDS for being in one silly Circles or medals.

I get a laugh each time someone hunting Africa for the first time, and then starting his hunt report with "My Gold Medal kudu, and my SCI # 4 waterbuck" and so on.

I think, what a sorry character, all he is thinking of how much he can brag, rather than enjoying the hunt for what it was.

I can assure you that rhino would not have gotten a fraction of the price he got if it wasn't classified as SCI # 1.

SCI should have a new classification for these.

FARM FED BRAGGING TROPHIES.

That way we might know how anyone has gotten them.

Saeed - Braggin rights are a part of the hunting scene almost everywhere. Some times it's friendly competitions among hunting friends, competitions between different clubs, States and so on. In our early history, the Native Americans had braggin rights when it came to the best hunter of the clan. He was afforded special priveleges, placed on a higher level of respect and so on. The early Mountain Men had a similar status placard.

You say you get a laugh out of people stating the status of their trophy. I look at it as simply a way to compare that particular trophy to all the others of the species. I enjoy hearing or reading about a great trophy being taken, as long as it's done legally, and like the fact there is a standard for measuring it's relative size compared to others of like kind.

If someone goes on their first African hunt and comes back with a Gold Medal anything, I am tickled to death for them. I am not so vain that I can't wish everyone the best of luck and truly hope they take the biggest and best out there. And I hope they brag a little about it as well. As long as they post pics!!

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Larry,

What you have said is all true.

But, I fear many people only go hunting with a measuring tape.

I have heard horror stories from PHs, and that, sadly destracts from the total enjoyment of a hunt.

I have seen letters from prospective clients asking the PH to GUARANTEE that an animal must be of a certain size!

It is like going to the store and ordering.

It is when trophy size becomes the over riding for a hunt, the hunt looses its value as far as I am concerned.

I agree with Saeed. Sure record books have a place in hunting and sure they can be fun but it needs to stop at that point.

Whether we like it or not, there are some people out there that take it considerably further by doing things such as rushing up to a downed animal and measuring it before it's dead and pretty much disowning it if it's a fraction of an inch smaller than was hoped. (very often top 10 is the hoped for benchmark)

Another favourite with these people is being on the sticks and telling the PH, 'I only want it, if it's XYZ inches' ....... A sensible PH would be well advised to reply to that kind of comment with something like 'well, I think it's about ABC inches but if you don't want it, don't shoot it'

I've even seen a guy sulk and I REALLY do mean sulk for 2 days because his latest trophy missed the top ten by half an inch. (This was after I told him it was big, but not quite that big and not to shoot it if he didn't want it)

All these examples are indicative of how some people can spoil their own hunt by letting the record books (Not necessarily SCI record books) become overly important.

On the other side of the coin, it must be said that some PHs, esp younger, less confident ones often make the mistake of telling the client what they want to hear rather than the truth and that is also a recipe for long term disaster.......... Esp when it comes to trophy size.

Record books are fine and fun but they need to be kept in perspective.

I agree with you guys a trophy to me is a old matrue animal no matter about size or spread but thats me

Interesting comments Steve, it appears your rant against "tape hunters" only goes as far as the end of your wallet. If you truly had the "balls" a/k/a ethics your posts lead one to believe you have, you would have ended the hunt and refunded the client the remainder of his fees and told him to bugger off.

What makes you think I didn't do something about it?

Thanks for your advice about how to run my business though. I'll take your comments on board and give them my most serious consideration.

Well Steve you were sharing so much it never occured to me you would do something like that and not mention it. Oh yes by the way I have fired clients when I had reason to suspect their verasity.

you know I read this and other posts about so called canned hunts and wonder why the outrage. I would love to hunt a rhino, however, cannot afford it and probably never will; that being said I don't much care how a person spends his money any more than I care how much a person cheats on his wife, pads his expense account, evades his taxes or any other actitivity I find repugnant. while I try not do do things that fly in the face of my own standards I simply do not judge others, probably would not socialize with them, but it is their business.

Bryan, I would even buy Steve a beer if he came to the Dallas show. I would even twist the cap off if he couldn't.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
To carry this a little farther. Non of us here really knows the motives behind this persons quest to harvest this particular Rhino. It's quite possible the record books of SCI, Rowland Ward etc. have nothing to do with it at all? I won't judge the man, no matter what reason/s he had, his money, his ethics, his loss or gain. But to blame a Record Keeping Organization" for his actions is beyond me.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

"harvest" ?

Drive by killing in the name of blood sport and ego is the correct definition.

I didn't know you had beer in America....... do you import it?

Yes, we import and export like most countries that deal in free trade. You do understand that economic concept eh. Of course with current trends in the brewing industry it won't be long until there will be no brewers in the states. With Budwiser selling out like Miller and Coors did. There are still a few small breweries left in the states, like Pittsburgh Brewing company, Yuengling, Straubs etc.

Damn, and there was me thinking all American beer was bright yellow, came from cat's bladders and was then passed through a supercooler!

NO,NO,NO that is Lion you are thinking about, damn always Lions.