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Originally posted by fairgame:
Greg,

If you were in the right you would not have to defend yourself. I am sure a simple apoloogy would go a long way here?

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Originally posted by Greg Brownlee:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Greg,

If you were in the right you would not have to defend yourself. I am sure a simple apoloogy would go a long way here?

I did apologize, twice on the original post actually. I thought thats all I needed to do, but apparently not. Check the original post.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Greg Brownlee:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Greg,

If you were in the right you would not have to defend yourself. I am sure a simple apoloogy would go a long way here?

I did apologize, twice on the original post actually. I thought thats all I needed to do, but apparently not. Check the original post.

Greg,

I think for the most we are all having a dig at you mate and please do not be too offended.

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Originally posted by Greg Brownlee:

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Originally posted by Jack D Bold:
Booking agents need to do their due diligence. That is exactly why we pay them. And make no mistake, it is the clients who pay the fee, not the outfitter.

IMO, two kinds of booking agents frequent these boards. Those with real experience and a track record of the items offered for sale. They will let you know who has been there, and what your realistic expectations should be.

And there a few who over-use this forum, promoting whatever comes along in their email.

Credibility is the gold standard. I will place that vote with my checkbook.

Aaron, thanks for trying to clear this up. Some guys don't want to believe what you or I have said, and that's their choice. You brought up some very valid points, especially the one about how easy it is to find the hunt price once the outfitters name is posted, but I guess everyone can find a way to disagree about something. One major reason we do not add to these hunts is because of things like this, it pisses people off and creates an undesirable situation for both hunter and agent. Our goal isn't to screw someone out of a few grand, our goal is for our clients to have a great, delay and trouble free hunt. When we achieve this goal, we usually have repeat business, which all of you business men out there know is what keeps a company IN business.

Jack,

I would absolutely consider myself an amateur. In fact, I have only been doing it for 4 years now. But my boss has been doing this for 35 years, 30 of those being full time. We do our due diligence. Jeff has logged over 50 safaris to Africa, hunted almost all of the sheep of the world with clients and for himself, killed the North American 29 before he was 28 years old (actually was once the youngest to do so, not sure if that record still stands), shot almost every slam Africa has, killed the big 5, and hunts about 150-180 days per year. The list goes on, and on, and on and if that's not due diligence, I would love to see what your resume looks like! He has done the due diligence, not me. I have been to 5 countries in Africa, thats it. You're right, I have never been to Ethiopia, but that's why Jeff's name is on the business signs. Jeff asked me to post the hunt about the Nyala (he has no idea how to post things on the internet) because the source it came from was someone we have trusted for the past 10 years, and, to our knowledge, this is the first time he has done this to us. At our first glance, yes, this was a hell of a deal! $23,980 off of the original price is a deal man, I don't care what you say. The problem was that there was a better deal out there that we were absolutely unaware of. This isn't just some hunt I pulled off of the internet and tried to make a quick 8 grand off of, this was a mistake on our part in regards to trusting someone whom we have known for years. I apologize if somehow I have offended you or any other poster here, but I posted the email we received from, again, someone we have sent multiple clients with over the last 10 years who because of this we won't be doing business with again.

Nganga, I am not exactly sure where your animosity is coming from. You have definatly been fueling this fire throughout the argument, and for what? Are you taking this hunt? Please, take it at $37,000. Kill your Nyala and bushbuck and post pictures! It's a great hunt, and if we had known that the hunt actually cost $6,000 less than the info we received, we would have offered it for $37,000. I explained the situation to you, offered to send you the original email before I posted it up on AR, and apologized to you personally for some reason or another, and you still choose to sit here and call me a liar on a public forum. I honestly think this shows bad taste my friend. You don't know me from Adam, but many people on this site do. And notice how not one of them has come up and said "Yea, Greg and Jeff have screwed over hunters for years". That's because it doesn't happen. Honesty is a big part of our business. Please try to read outside the lines on this one. Actually, read the lines written on this one. It was a simple mistake, one in which upon discovering I immediately let the facts be known, not because I was caught doing something I wasn't supposed to be doing, because that is not what happened. I apologized because I genuinely felt cheated by the man who we got the hunt offer from, and wanted to try and clear the water on that subject.

To all the people who have defended us or sent me the emails, pms and phone calls, thanks. It's really not a big deal, at least not to me. This will pass and the nice folks here on AR will continue to look for someone else to piss on.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Greg,

If you were in the right you would not have to defend yourself. I am sure a simple apoloogy would go a long way here?

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Originally posted by safari-lawyer:

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Originally posted by Sevenxbjt:

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Don't worry. They spend far, far less AFTER you marry them.

Yup Will, with all due respect, I'm not so sure about that one. With mine it was clothes, jewelry etc while dating, a Mercedes and a house (I thought one of our little ranch houses was perfect, she pointed out my miscalculation) after "I do".

Sarcasm. Just a line I pull out any time a single guy talks about how much his girlfriend spends on ______.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
sorry for the double negative Brett

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Originally posted by Peter:
fairgame, I am sorry that you find my "sermon" obnoxious. It is actually not a sermon but a quote from the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" which, I must admit, I enjoyed. Obviously others don't share your view as I have had a few PM's asking where the quote came from. Perhaps you could share with me exactly which phrases you find obnoxious? Is it:
Be without fear....?
Be brave and upright...?
Speak the truth always...?
I am sure what you find most obnoxious is the phrase "safeguard the helpless...." after all, their plight is almost certainly their own fault and therefore they deserve it!
Actually it is time that I change it, so, in deference to you, I will. Of course there is no telling whether you will like the new one! In closing, it was not my attempt to be provocative, just inject a little humor. Obviously I did not succeed. My apologies to you.
Peter.

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Very brave and upright

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Originally posted by Peter:

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Very brave and upright

fairgame, easy to do on the Internet!!!!!
PAX!
Peter.

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Greg did the right thing. He laid it out to you privately and you chose to disclose that PM on this public forum. I find that and your double identity a bit two faced. You two are pissed but have spent no money at all. You are not buyers, you are tire kickers. If you had done your own homework, you would know what a hunt costs and what is a deal and what is not a "good deal". If I were Greg and Jeff I would not sell either of you a hunt or gun (for that matter).

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Lane,

Although you and me disagree on dogs, do not kick it when it is down.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Lane,

Although you and me disagree on dogs, do not kick it when it is down.

Actually Andrew...the more I have gotten to know you...the better able I am to see your point on dogs after leopard. I just happen to like dog hunting and have been around it all my life. Now...I know your heart is in the right place.

But what am I kicking???

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I can certainly understand why some people would be upset with Andy and Steve over the pre-ban behavior. Me included. However, don't let that cloud your judgment on this issue.

Imagine this. What if one day you came home and saw a for sale sign on your neighbors house. The next day you get your mail and there are flyers from two different Realtors for the same house. One of them offers to sell the house for $500,000 and the next offers to sell the same house for $600,000. What would you think? This is pretty much what happened in this case.

After seeing the pictures of Steve's trophy room, I seriously doubt that he is a broke tire kicker.

Give them all the hell you want for the pre-ban behavior. It is justified. However, I think he is perfectly justified in bringing this up. I have to admit that I got the same things he got. I thought the same thing he did. This discussion has been valuable(at least to me). I have now learned that there are middlemen that add to the cost of a hunt but not to the value of the hunt. I made my first trip to Africa in 1988. I really didn't think I could get surprised. Well, this surprised me.

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This was not directed at you as such. One of my best mates is a Staffordshire bull terrier. He is currently under my feet chewing on a piece of furniture. My wife hates him and fortunately does not know how to handled a gun.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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This was not directed at you as such. One of my best mates is a Staffordshire bull terrier. He is currently under my feet chewing on a piece of furniture. My wife hates him and fortunately does not know how to handled a gun.

Nothing more loyal!!! When I was a tyke...I had one that went everywhere with me. Twice...she jumped on a rattlesnake and killed it to keep me safe. She took several bites each time and was sick for weeks but...if it was a danger to me...she tied into it with NO regard for her own well being.

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took on pack of ten