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Good point. Why the difference for service staff at all? ___________________________________________________________________________________________ | |||
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DOJ Yes I agree, the camp workers should be getting the same tip, DG or PG The Trackers & PH yes, should get a little more. Terry, Those guide lines look closer to what I would or could pay.... Except for the staff. "America's Meat - - - SPAM" As always, Good Hunting!!! Widowmaker416 | |||
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I do this if it is not liked so be it, as i'm old fashion and to me a tip is just that . a monetary gift to should superior service is appreciated. If the Owner is the PH for a 10 day plains game where I bag 3 very good animals and 2 or 3 fair trophies I give him $200 as he is the owner to begin with. The staff I leave $150 for and the owner/PH splits it up however he wishes. If the owner/ph expects more he should raise his daily rate. The staff usually earns about $1.50/day so a tip equal to 2 full days pay per day is more than I ever got being a waiter in college! | |||
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MZEE, You must have mis-understood my intentions above. I never said that this is what I have in camp for staff at all. All I did above was give a suggestion on tipping for anyone who might be in camp and what might be a good tip for them. Again, it was a general outline of what some outfitters do have in camp and wanted to list anyone who might be encountered in camp. If you want my personal list of staff in my camps it runs with 8-10 people in camp. PH, 2 trackers, 1 cook, 1 skinner, 1 waiter, 1 driver, 1 tent boy, 1 Game Scout, 1 security night watchman and 1 misc guy to help out the skinner or things around camp. My personal camp tips for a camp on a 21-day hunt have run around $1,500 for the staff and then the PH's tip. The staff are up way before you are woken up in the morning, and go to bed after you go to bed at night. 4 am to 10-11 pm sound like long hours to me. Every client is going to get the same first class service whether you you tip the staff or not. If tipping is going to cause bad feelings for you, then I would rather you not even tip anyone. A tip should be something that you want to do yourself out of gratitude towards someone, not something that you do not want to do. | |||
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Guys, This is almost turning into an argument - let's all take a chill pill.....as Adam, myself and a few others have pointed out, tips are not compulsory but they are traditional.....if you don't want or can't afford to give tips then don't.....it's your money and your decision. But before you make that decision just take a moment to consider that elsewhere on this forum there is a thread about a PH that has just given his life to an irate Elephant and the last thing he did before he died was to shout a warning to his client and the rest of the hunting party......which probably saved lives. This time it was the white PH that died but it could just have easily been a black member of the hunting staff...........who incidentally generally gets paid just a few dollars a day wages.......surely that level of risk and the level of effort they put in for you suggests that you should at least consider giving the black hunting team a little something? Any hunting client that thinks the hunting team don't spend a great deal of their time looking out for the clients safety is very much mistaken. It might not be obvious.......but it's happening never the less. | |||
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When I finally get to go on my first safari, I plan on tipping. Unless it is the worst experience of my life. No it won't be as much as some people. But I will have been saving and planning for this trip for over 5 years. I will tip what I can afford and a little bit. I would like to be able to tip much more, but I can't. I would like to think that my tip would mean something to the PH. No it won't be the highest tip that he would receive that season. But hopefully coming from just a regular guy that does not make a lot of money, it will mean something. And if it doesn't, then it just goes to show what this world is coming to.... Just my thoughts on the subject. Graylake | |||
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on my last trip I brought up the very subject of tips with the owner/PH while sitting out the heat of the day and enjoying the scenery. I asked what his clients usually do for a living. He replied most are working men whom saved for this trip and make the most of it. He also said most hunters of plains game for a 10 day 4-6 animal safari give a 60/40 split of around $250-300 US converted to Rand with the PH getting the 60%. This company charges $250 US/day, so it would seem a total of tips would run roughly the cost 1 extra day. My PH likes to divide the staff $ up himself, but I do it. It is after all my tip not his. | |||
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I have to agree with Saeed and many other posters on this thread. I think tipping has gotten grossly out of hand, particularly when it has become an expectation. I consider myself a pretty generous guy. I tip well at restaurants if the service deserves it, and I'll give my friends the shirt off my back if they need it. But being the open and honest fellow I am, here's a for instance with me as the example. A 10day 2x1 2-buffalo hunt in Tanzania costs about $20,000 USD, if you include airfare to and from Tanzania and trophy shipping, but not including tips or trophy fees for anything but the buffalo. Convert that to CDN currency and you are up to $25,000. $25,000 is the equivalent of of 6.25 months salary for me (after taxes). Anyone have a guess as to how long that takes to save up? If you only have $200 to $500 a month left after basic living expenses, it takes one helluva long time! For me to pull off a hunt like this, I have to sell my truck and buy a cheaper mode of transportation. I also have to sell off other toys, like rifles, an old snowmobile, etc, etc. I have to put off holidays with my spouse, purchasing the small travel trailer she would dearly love to have, etc. I know that tipping is important, so I have resigned myself to saving for that too. If my PH and staff goes the extra mile for me (even if I don't bag a record book animal!), you can bet that I will show my appreciation to the greatest extent that I can afford, and then some on top of that. But it still irks me to think that for some people (PH's, hunters) that tip is EXPECTED. $100 a day is A LOT of money, especially on top of what the PH is already getting paid. I have many people working for me that have university degrees, wives, kids, etc, that only get $150/day and no tips. I sincerely hope, that when I do finally realize my dream of hunting cape buffalo in Tanzania, that the whole experience is not soured by disappointment in the size of the tip. I also hope that in any circumstance the PH would take the time to understand the situation that the particular hunter is in and know how much the hunter may have sacrificed in order to show his appreciation through a tip. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Terry, I like what you are trying to do with the guidelines. The daily rate is what we pay for the entire hunt, air charter, food, liquor, transportation, laundry, staff wages, PH wages, and in some instances, depending on pricing structure, goverment and community fees. To base a PH's tip on this rate is not reasonable. If however, we knew the daily wages the PH was actually makeing, 10% of that would be fine. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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I was in the guiding business for nearly 15 years. I never expected a tip. I set my rates to cover my expences and make a living. If the PH needs more money, he needs to set higher rates and hope that he doesn't price himself out of the business. Now, if the client wanted to give me a tip, great, it ment that he or she thought the service excellent, or did it? Most of the big tips I got were not IMO for service, they were because the client got lucky and got a nice bull or a couple of big rainbows, luck I'd call it. I got a couple of rifles from clients and some other nice stuff that I needed and used. I have always felt that these more personal gifts had more meaning to me than a wad of bills. You might like to ask the PH if there is anything they need, scopes etc. You could also ship clothing, and school supplies, to staff after the trip. Don't punish the PH for your bad luck, but don't reward him for it either. If he gives you a good trip and works very hard give him your repeat business and recommend him to your friends. If the service was really there and you've got few hundred left over, it's a nice touch, but it's purely voluntary. Anyone who comes asking me, let alone expecting, a tip will get the one on my middle finger. | |||
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I suspect one could see a decline in effort, but I doubt they would refuse the booking. However, Will is right on, it is no longer a free will offerring so to speak. It is expected as part of their wages. That's the bitter pill to swallow! | |||
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I have only been on one Safari. At the conclusion I asked my PH what he considered the proper amount, with the advise that I was not a Rich Bastard, nor was I a Cheap Bastard. All the Staff, Trackers and the Game Scout worked very hard and were very friendly. I tipped on the high side I am sure, I do not miss the money now, I consider it as part of my contributation to sustaining the Safari Industry. After all I plan to go back.   DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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On the flip side of this conversation. This question is for the outfitters and PHs, have you ever told an individual he was giving too much of a tip to the camp staff/trackers/skinners etc? The reason I ask is b/c last year I was lucky enough to get a free trip to RSA for an international meeting I had to give a presentation at. Now, I'm still a graduate student yet I was able to save $500 for tips. I had one camp staff and one tracker/skinner; therefore, I gave each $100 in return for their picture, which I thought I was the one getting the deal for the services they provided. The outfitter said that was probably the greatest tip they had ever received. But does there reach a point that the outfitter/PH doesn't want the staff to receive a large tip? graybird | |||
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Terry, as promised I dug around and found the records. Both 10 days. First one the "bill" suggested to be paid was 5 @ $100 each and 2 @$50.00 each. El and 3 plains. Second in the area Will refers to was 7@100$ + $300 to split amoung the "left outs". No trophies to care for, nothing to prepare for shipment to exporter . I am glad to see some (quite a lot in fact) think this has gotten crazy. If I go again I will advise them up front that this sh----t is over and they can book it or go to hell. I can see that the chances of booking in Tanzania are slim and none if Adam's list is real as to expectations or I will be listed as the cheapie of the season and give them nothing. No one tips me for doing my job! The cook is such an important guy as to rate top tips? Do you to the kitchen of a restaurant or steak house and tip the chef after giving the waiter the 10-20% for "just making delivery of your food and taking the order"? I haven't met anyone that does that. A waitress that takes your order and delivers it hasn't done anything but their job. I see a lot of them that "do their job". However, it has been a long time since I saw one that did anything special. They expect they same tip as if it was something special they did for you. Same on safari. All I saw special was on the one listed above, one guy made some el hair bracelets for us . Well, enough of that, I'll take leave of the subject. | |||
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Has any one tipped the staff other than the PH a small amount the day a special trophy is taken such as a cat or buff? This was twice suggested to me by a PH as proper. The suggested amount usually totals about $100.  | |||
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$600 is not too far out of line, but $1,000 Staff Tips for a Zimbabwe 10 day elephant hunt. Please let me know who the outfitter is so I never book with them. Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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I have heard of the custom of giving a bonus, but it usually involves the taking of a lion or leopard. Never heard it in conjunction with a buffalo. I have a real problem with that. Isn't that what I am paying them for in the first place? I also have a real problem with giving a bonus when you take an exceptional animal. Did the PH really do anything special to get that 60" kudu or were we in the right place at the right time? If you are supposed to give a bonus when you take an exceptional animal, then what happens if I book a lion hunt and we don't see any lions worth shooting? Can I reduce the PH's tip by 50%? I mean, shouldn't it work both ways? PH benefits when we "hit gold" - PH loses when we "strike out". Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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I tip what I feel people deserve some have gotten 20% or more, some get nothing. If the staff or ph relies upon my tip to live they should have upped the daily rate. I feel a tip is a show og my gratitued for excellent services rendered. Dangerous game safari or not I will follow these rules. I do not think a DG safari PH should expect more than a PG safari PH because that difference is reflected in the daily rate. John | |||
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PHs can make anything from around $12,000 to $50,000 for a year or season. A PH with solid experience in DG who works the full season in Tanzania will make around US$35,000 to US$50,000 for that season (if no cancellations). Considering the tax situation (is there any income taxes?) they are not necessarily bad off at all. PHs in South Africa might be lucky to make between $12,000 and $18,000 a year. If I am wrongly informed I would be happy for someone directly informed to correct me. *** My real and actual "tips" ( I hate that word). 1994 - 7 day Zim safari plains game. Head tracker who worked very hard - Z$80 then about US$8 Other trackers (3 others) - Z$50 each - US$5 Cook and skinner - Z$50 Waiter - Z$10 - he was a complete dill but enthusiastic. This was an enthusiasm "tip" but not a service tip. PH - nil - I did not even realise it was customary to "tip" a "professional" hunter. The staff gifts were all based on what the PH recommended. Everyone worked hard. Everyone was happy except for the waiter and the PH. Later I found out why as I was told US$100 was customary by a money grubbing out of work PH which I thought was very excessive and over the top. But I regretted not giving him something as he did work hard. *** Second safari to South Africa in 2002. I hunted with a friend and while he may have put some margins on the hunt basically it was meant to be at cost. I asked him how much he would have earned in this normal job for the time and then added at least 50% and that was his gift. He was very happy. The tracker I gave maybe $20 too. Maybe less, as I aimed for the low side with him. While he was a good enough tracker he never did anything extra and often carried next to nothing when working back to the bakkie after a hunt or always had the lightist thing eg the shooting sticks. He wouldn't even carry water without being asked to do so every hunt. The camp manager was a nice guy whom we gave a hard time (with jokes) because he said silly things (something about school girls which we twisted the wrong way ). I gave him a $50 in compensation for our entertainment and for a holiday back home after my safari. He was also the cook and very very good at it.The waiters were funny, hard working and good guys, probably R100 each (about $15). Everyone (surprise !) was very happy with these tips. *** In 2002 in Zimbabwe (two different safaris): Safari 1 The safari was interrupted by warvets. I did not tip anyone while there and as I had to buy a new safari (less refunds) I had no discretionary cash left. I later sent US$200 for the owner to handout as I felt sorry for these guys whom might be out of work from that day. It was funny enough, in the middle of the mess I went to the hunting vehicle to retrieve something out of its glove box and met one of the staff (waiter?) who was a nice guy. I went to shake his hand and say thank you and good-bye. He was expecting cash to be in my hand! You have to be joking, there were ffffing apes running around with drugged out eyes and police protecting the monkeys with automatic rifles. BTW when retrieving my rifle from the bakkie I very gingerly took it making sure it was open and held non threatening. I was very closely watched by the police armed with FN-FALs. The same warvets tried to "confiscate" all the outfitters firearms for "safekeeping" so maybe I am lucky to have mine. The second safari I paid probably around $20 to $30 to the tracker and gov't game scout each. Left another $50 in total for everyone else for the camp manager to hand out. I'm sure most of it got pocketed by him. As for letting some manager "hand out" the tips for you. My experience is NEVER. I learned that lesson in Kenya on a game tour. We got together and worked out a tip for the staff. Put it all together, say $50 in total. It was given to the headman. I watched him and the bastard peeled off a $5 (equiv) and handed it to his assistant and kept $45 for himself. The poor guy looked really sad so I got together with some others and gave the poor sod a few dollars more. In third world countries the boss gets 95% of everything and the workers the crumbs. (Hell I'm becoming John-the-Greek ).I didn't tip the PH as he was the owner and in reality part of the safari was a bit of a disaster even though it wasn't within his control. I would have handed him a considerable sum of money if he needed it to live on the other hand. I offered to help out if he needed to shift countries. But he said he was setup OK and he was. His wife did get an expensive bottle of perfume though which I brought over with me. *** A tip of $50 a week for basic unskilled labour services ??? Lets look at this logically. Per the CIA Fact book
The average per capita income is $600 per year (on a purchasing parity basis). Lets say the staff in a camp are paid some wages and tips do not form 100% of their wages. A season will run say 20 weeks or 140 days. Lets say their wages are between $1 and $2 per day by the outfitter. At 20 weeks that is say $280 wages in total (assuming he doesn't only get paid when clients are in camp). In Tanzania lets say the employment rate (note employment rate not unemployment) is 30%. The average worker is luck to have any job at all. Lets say a suggested tip is $50 per week. That is say for a client season say of 17 weeks $850. So suggested "tips" are $850 compared to wages of $240. On a 21 day safari the outfitter is paying say $42 wages and suggesting a $150 "tip". A 10% tip off $42 should be $4.20 to me, not 150 bucks. I would probably give such a guy if it was personal service (you don't tip people you never meet) a $20 to $50 bill (for 3 weeks). I think they would still be happy as it is at least their wages again on top. I might be very very wrong with my estimates but again someone with direct experience can easily correct me. Maybe my info and estimates are way out of date in the "new" and "modern" black Africa (?) If so I will retract. What is a tracker or cook in Tanzania paid? In cash per day? What is a waiter paid in cash per day? Another problem with percentage "tips" is while safaris are rocketed up in price year after year, the local workers and population's wages are not doing the same. Something to do with supply and demand I think.  Excessive demand for safaris and endless supply of labour.*** Someone mentioned a "guilt" trip over a PH getting killed. We all choose our careers so any risk is one's own. No one has to do it and last I saw it was still a popular profession with supply exceeding demand. If a PH was killed where I was the client I would probably try to help in some way BTW. As that is proper. *** OK now I am definitely in trouble having upset all the outfitters, but in the first world I am a capitalist. In the third world a socialist and humanist (at least only in thought) when you see the disparities in wealth and working conditions . In the end it is - a Gift. You have paid the asked for price for the safari and anything on top is a gift. Makes it really really simple if you look at it that way, a gift. I actually like to give gifts too. | |||
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From Terry:
Great point Terry! let's hear a response from the PH's on this one "America's Meat - - - SPAM" As always, Good Hunting!!! Widowmaker416 | |||
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Let me ask the question a different way. For those that have repeated hunts with the same PH and were on the low side of the tipping scales being discussed here, did you receive a different level of service on your return trip(s)? Did the PH remember that you were a "cheap prick" that didn't tip well last time? | |||
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douglast I've been on 5 safaris with the same PH and heading over for #6 next month. To be honest, after reading what alot of members here give for tips, I'd say I'm a bit on the low side, (that's how I tip & not changing) I do bring over gifts for everyone also. My PH has always given me well over 100%! Every hunt has always been better then the last! "America's Meat - - - SPAM" As always, Good Hunting!!! Widowmaker416 | |||
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Maybe we are getting excessively rankled about tipping guidelines when they do not even apply to us. Personally I cannot afford the $5K+ tip package that Adam suggested for a 21 day safari, but it is of no consequence to me since I also cannot afford his 21 day safari. | |||
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NitroX; I agree. I think the minimum wage in Namibia is $107 US a month. Your tip should be based on the EXTRA services you received and the local pay scale. If an Outfitter or Ph told me I owed a certain percentage for a tip for a hunt, I'd go else where. At that point, it is not a tip, it is part of the cost of the hunt. If I ever received less than the normal services I had paid for, because I had not paid the suggested tip, I would bad mouth that Outfitter/PH forever. I think some Outfitters and PHs are expecting the hunter to pay the total salary for the hired help with tips. That way they make more money. Has anyone ever seen a PH with his arm twisted? I doubt it. They made the choice. They could be selling shoes a K Mart. I used to Guide for Brown Bear. $100 a day. I didn't expect a "suggested" amount for a tip at the end of the hunt, or any sympathy because it was dangerous. I made the choice. Its a job. Did you ever tip a Cop or Fireman for doing their job? | |||
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Do most of the PH's have a second job or is the cost of living that cheap in Africa? I ask because that does not appear to be a lot of money, even when you add in the "WoW" effect of such a great job.. | |||
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I've gotten the impression from PH's I've met that quite a lot of them do other work outside the hunting season. Many of them as guides for photo-safari stuff etc. The cost of living in most African countrys is way lower than in Europe. Unless you are extravagant. I would say from my african experiances that I could live reasonably with the figures quoted above. | |||
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[ BTW, one suggestion I got from a Zim PH I asked a while ago was US$300 in total for 10 days of tuskless cow ele hunting. This would be devided for the 2 trackers, game scout, and the rest of the staff.[/QUOTE] That's much more in line with where it should be. Would you consider naming name of PH in a PM? | |||
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More extortion, wouldn't consider it at all. (Unless it was the end of the hunt and tip time) | |||
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Amen, lay it on them brother! I'm with you 100%. I don't care if some PH's and outfitter get "pie eyed" about because I am pissed off about what it has became.    | |||
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- [/QUOTE]That's much more in line with where it should be. Would you consider naming name of PH in a PM?[/QUOTE] I'm sending you a PM. | |||
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Saw this quote and it is very apt.
Especially the bit about ridiculous civilisation. | |||
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Are ANY of the outfitters here willing to say how much, or what portion, of the daily rate goes to the PH? If we all knew that it would help us make our own decisions regarding "Fair" tips. If, as someone said above, the South African PH makes between $12,000 and $18,000, they mostly do, obviously, need to find other work in the "off season" because it's not THAT much cheaper to live there. [this is an ad for a USED Toyota Hilux Double cab - that most outfitters would consider to be the minimum vehicle for their PH's to provide: Hilux D/CAB 3.0 KZTE 4X4 R 179,900 2001 WHITE 163000 - that looks like $30,000 +/- for a 4 year old truck, with over 100,000 miles on it! 1.5 to 2.5 years income!] It seems not unreasonable to assume that while the RSA PH's share of the daily rate covers his guiding expenses, the ONLY money they MAKE is the tips. Outfitters? Comments? Les | |||
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I tend to feel it's rather a private matter ...... How would many of us feel is asked to discuss our personal finances on a public forum?......but I'll be happy to talk generalities. A lot depends on who, where and when. A "plastic PH" which is a young bloke who has just qualified in SA will sometimes offer to work as an employee for nothing to gain experience.....In fact I've known of some excellent PH's offer to work for his keep & tips in a DG area just to increase his experience and hopefully establish or improve his reputation. We probably get (and refuse) 4-6 offers of this every year at least. In SA it's possible to hire a freelance PH with limited experience along with his hunting truck for US$100 - 120 a day......but as with most things in life, you get what you pay for......A cheap PH is cheap for a reason. If you want good then you have to pay for it. I should say that many people will hunt Africa repeatedly with mediocre PH's/Operations and not notice the mediocrity until he hunts with a really professional outfit.......and then it's like a new dawn to them. In Tanzania an average freelance PH can earn anything US$100-250.....a really good one somewhat more........Almost all of these guys will only be paid when they're working.......but the cost of employing a PH can be considerably more in that you also have to pay his expenses which are often considerably more than his salary. For example you may have to lay on a charter just to move him from one area to another. The cost of employing a bad PH can be immesureable damage to your business.....or even worse. Even the very best of PH's can just get caught out through no fault of their own or for that matter anyone else. At the end of the day, shit happens. Tips are a difficult situation and as I said previously if I have a client who has limited finances I would prefer him to take more animals and not tip than take fewer animals because he feels he needs to save some of his money for tips. If finances are not so restricted I can do no better than say that tips are not compulsory but they are traditional. More so with regard to the black staff than the PH. Another option might be to tip the hunting team and not the camp staff......but if you do that please try to consider the skinner(s) as part of the hunting team. | |||
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This has turned into quite a thread. I haven´t read the whole thing through but here are my views: 1) tips are given as, and when, deserved 2) my PH makes a point of making it my decision what and whom I tip but he´ll give advice if asked for it 3) I try to tip fairly but my budget doesn´t allow extravagant tips. 150-300 Rand for trackers and skinners, 150 Rand for campstaff and 100$ for my PH pretty much does it for me. If anyone was to demand a tip from me it would be a good way of NOT getting one. I hate it when people try to take advantage of me. | |||
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Shakari, Thank you very much for responding. I understand your reluctance to reveal what you hold to be personal details and I appreciate your confirmation of what I understood to be the general practices regarding freelance PH's. It seems likely that many hunters will be involved with the RSA PH's [ more often than the various DG PH's]. And will, as often as not, be dealing with freelance PH's. These may be good or may be mediocre, but without clearing a little profit beyond their hunting expenses they will surely give it up in short order. And if the bad ones do not get tips maybe that's a good thing in the end. The PH's I've had the pleasure of meeting gave me more or much more than I expected and I ended up giving tips similar to T.Carr's above suggestions. And I'll use these when I tell others what to expect when they go.
Regarding owner/PH's. I think most of us in the US have come to believe that tipping an owner was an insult. It seems to say that they are not smart enough to price their own business product well enough. So most here would probably shy away from tipping an owner/PH as well, I think. [Of course many will offer a gift, or invite the owner/PH to visit them in their homes in the US.] Thanks again for sharing those details. Les | |||
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Ladies and Gentlemen, The boys here like to argue about practically everything they do - to the extent that some of them take an opposing view not because they believe it, but just to annoy the rest of us! One of them here came up with a relevant question, after he read one of the posts above that the staff get an extra generous tip if one shoots an exceptional trophy. He said what happens when a hunter books an elephant hunt, pays the higher daily rate associated with that, and ends up not seeing any shootable bulls? Would the PH then reduce the daily rate for a plains game, and refund the rest to the client? As all the client hunted was plains game? | |||
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Saeed, in this case, the elephant was hunted, but luck just wasn't with the hunter when it came to seeing a shootable bull. The same amount of work went into the hunt. I don't feel that a reduction in daily rate is justified. | ||
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Then, certainly nothing extra is due if "Lady Luck" shines on the hunter and he kills something big. | |||
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The wages as discussed by Steve seem to fit with what I belive have been led to believe. Using that as a base, a 15% daily gratuity for the PH would be just under $40 US a day. On a 21 day Tanzania safari that would amount to $840 for the PH. Does anyone think this is unreasonable? "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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