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Originally posted by Opus1:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Opus1:
Mike the future of solar and e-cars is solely a legislative matter. As has happened in many states as soon as the subsidies and power buybacks end, solar crashes and e-cars lose their luster.

No matter how sold you are on solar, you better hope the legislators and power companies are too. Otherwise it's an expensive experiment. Florida came damn close to losing their subsidies and access to it in 2016. I wouldn't get too blinded by solar.

It's great to be a pioneer, but sometimes you only wind up with an ass full of arrows.

May be expensive for you in Namibia working in the wildlife industry,

But for a good segment of people in the us it is a purely discretionary expenditure.

Buying a Tesla is not a necessity just like buying double rifles or hunting Africa or fishing offshore.

This is spending $45-150k on a car that is better than its other internal combustion engine substitutes. Tesla electric car tax credit will be gone soon anyways as car sales reach 200k.

The simple fact is Tesla’s electric are a viable and better alternative to other expensive cars.

All the negative stuff about Tesla has moved from the product to questioning the business model or the profitability of its business model. I heard the same with amazon too.

I am looking forward to my test drive tomorrow.

https://www.topgear.com/videos...s-full-new-york-test

Mike

Like I said, it's a looong way from making financial sense and is more of a toy, hobby, lifestyle.

As is African hunting, offshore fishing, blaser rifles, good optics, high end fishing reels and damn near everything else I do. The good luck of having discretionary income in life.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Opus1:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Opus1:
Mike the future of solar and e-cars is solely a legislative matter. As has happened in many states as soon as the subsidies and power buybacks end, solar crashes and e-cars lose their luster.

No matter how sold you are on solar, you better hope the legislators and power companies are too. Otherwise it's an expensive experiment. Florida came damn close to losing their subsidies and access to it in 2016. I wouldn't get too blinded by solar.

It's great to be a pioneer, but sometimes you only wind up with an ass full of arrows.

May be expensive for you in Namibia working in the wildlife industry,

But for a good segment of people in the us it is a purely discretionary expenditure.

Buying a Tesla is not a necessity just like buying double rifles or hunting Africa or fishing offshore.

This is spending $45-150k on a car that is better than its other internal combustion engine substitutes. Tesla electric car tax credit will be gone soon anyways as car sales reach 200k.

The simple fact is Tesla’s electric are a viable and better alternative to other expensive cars.

All the negative stuff about Tesla has moved from the product to questioning the business model or the profitability of its business model. I heard the same with amazon too.

I am looking forward to my test drive tomorrow.

https://www.topgear.com/videos...s-full-new-york-test

Mike

Like I said, it's a looong way from making financial sense and is more of a toy, hobby, lifestyle.

As is African hunting, offshore fishing, blaser rifles, good optics, high end fishing reels and damn near everything else I do. The good luck of having discretionary income in life.

Mike

While talking to a politically active environmentalist here in France, she brought up the fact that if every car in the world were to become a purely electric car, there wouldn't be enough rare earth elements for it to happen. The fact that China seems to have a majority of the rare earth resources, its no wonder that Chinese owned Volvo won't be producing a single internal combustion engine after 2020. I wouldn't buy a Volvo today since a few years down the line you may not be able to get parts for it.

Conclusion of the environmentalist is that efficient gasoline powered hybrid cars are the best thing for the environment. Electricity in Europe basically bowls down to nuclear power or coal/gas fired power plants, and environmentalists don't like either. If legislation drives the market, the gasoline/hybrid engine will probably come out on top. Tesla, as a viable sustainable business, is a joke. Look at their numbers, they lose money big time.

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I went to Tesla and upgraded my model 3 for larger battery, all wheel drive, luxury package and auto pilot.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I went to Tesla and upgraded my model 3 for larger battery, all wheel drive, luxury package and auto pilot.

Mike

Smart move, it might help you get the car faster. I was watching a news show just the other day and they reported the only Model 3's Tesla is currently making are those with the larger battery pact.

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Mike, did they resolve/explain the crash with autopilot engaged? I have not heard anything.
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Autopilot is not the same as autonomous. Tesla says that the driver was given several warnings to put his hand on the wheel (and presumably take over) but did not.
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I dunno! I would still like to have a steering wheel just in case!! Is the information stored in situ or is it beamed down via satellite? Too many points of failure for my liking. I would like an explanation of the mechanism before I buy into it. I don't doubt that it would probably be better than most drivers (myself included).
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A Ford F-150 can out brake it.

Sounds like a lot of excitement to drive - real fast and cannot stop. What could possibly go wrong?

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Pretty telling that Consumer Reports is having to do Tesla's vehicle development work.

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Pretty telling that Consumer Reports is having to do Tesla's vehicle development work.

Shows how amazing Tesla Product is that everything can be adjusted with software upgrade.

A generation ahead of anything else out there

https://cleantechnica.com/2018...umer-reports-top-10/

Mike