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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

Lot of good points

Range - battery life will improve - why cause consumer electronics - smart phones will drive the technology, why Apple is in auto space - computation technology for self drive and battery technology are its edge. Rumor of new tesla having 600 miles range.

Recharging - Mercedes has wireless charging already. Charging will go the wireless.

Electricity cost - electric cars are crazy effieicmt - 5-6 times regular autos. Adding 10-20 percent electric cars has little impact. Most home charging is at night - off peak power - there is ton of used power at charging time.

Cold weather battery - all battery technology will get better. But tesla and electrics cars are not aimed at all markets however Norway dominates electric car use.

I was not a tesla bull. I invested in traditional auto but I have thrown in the towel. I think we are in a transportation revolution.

Mike

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Originally posted by Fjold:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

Lot of good points

Range - battery life will improve - why cause consumer electronics - smart phones will drive the technology, why Apple is in auto space - computation technology for self drive and battery technology are its edge. Rumor of new tesla having 600 miles range.

Recharging - Mercedes has wireless charging already. Charging will go the wireless.

Electricity cost - electric cars are crazy effieicmt - 5-6 times regular autos. Adding 10-20 percent electric cars has little impact. Most home charging is at night - off peak power - there is ton of used power at charging time.

Cold weather battery - all battery technology will get better. But tesla and electrics cars are not aimed at all markets however Norway dominates electric car use.

I was not a tesla bull. I invested in traditional auto but I have thrown in the towel. I think we are in a transportation revolution.

Mike

I'm not against electric vehicles as I think that they are the future of all transportation. It's just that battery technology hasn't made the leap to make them usable for everyone. It's not the storage capacity, it's a question of how long it takes a battery to recharge. Once they can make the cars rum 300 - 400 miles with a 10 minute or less recharge time there will be no more gas engine cars.

The cost of recharging them is also higher since unless you have a large battery bank on your home you cannot charge the cars at night without paying the retail price from your utility (solar panels won't work at night).

They still won't let you take Lithium batteries in smart luggage etc. on commercial aircraft, what are the dangers of millions of lithium batteries on the road? Our local fire department has specialized training now on hybrid and electrical cars. If they are in an accident, they now ground them by pounding a stake into the ground first because of the danger that the high voltage batteries present to them.

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Originally posted by richj:
Question. is it cheaper, easier, to have a performance electric car than a gas car?

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Originally posted by Peter:
Beretta, I think the future will be dictated by China, which has already mandated all electric vehicles:
"The government is targeting 7 million vehicles by 2025."
Tesla already has roof shingles with built in photoelectric receptors. They also have in home battery storage capabilities.
Fluid situation, but the future seems to be pretty clear at this point. Oil is over $66 a barrel so that is not helping the oil faction.
Peter.

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Originally posted by p3t3rsn:
My wife and I are both ordering Tesla's shortly. I am waiting for the extended range all wheel drive Model 3 and my wife plans on getting the Model Y when released. Gas up here in Canada is just outrageous and with the solar panels we are installing this year we should have enough power for our home and calls to be completely off grid.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by p3t3rsn:
My wife and I are both ordering Tesla's shortly. I am waiting for the extended range all wheel drive Model 3 and my wife plans on getting the Model Y when released. Gas up here in Canada is just outrageous and with the solar panels we are installing this year we should have enough power for our home and calls to be completely off grid.

Germany has the same solar energy profile as Fairbanks Alaska. Thru govt subsidies they have managed to make solar 6 percent of electricity generated/produced.

Imagine Florida going solar. One person in m my neighborhood has gone down Tesla solar roof path. When my roof needs to be replaced in 6-8 years I am going all solar. Tesla tiles should be in full production by then.

My f-150 is my last gas powered vechile in my life.

The Tesla is a 120 mile per gallon energy equivalent vechile. It is 5-6 x jump in fuel economy (energy equivalent).

Also electric vechile batteries are tied to consumer electronic/phone battery technology - the area of largest r&d in the world.

Mike

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by p3t3rsn:
My wife and I are both ordering Tesla's shortly. I am waiting for the extended range all wheel drive Model 3 and my wife plans on getting the Model Y when released. Gas up here in Canada is just outrageous and with the solar panels we are installing this year we should have enough power for our home and calls to be completely off grid.

Germany has the same solar energy profile as Fairbanks Alaska. Thru govt subsidies they have managed to make solar 6 percent of electricity generated/produced.

Imagine Florida going solar. One person in m my neighborhood has gone down Tesla solar roof path. When my roof needs to be replaced in 6-8 years I am going all solar. Tesla tiles should be in full production by then.

My f-150 is my last gas powered vechile in my life.

The Tesla is a 120 mile per gallon energy equivalent vechile. It is 5-6 x jump in fuel economy (energy equivalent).

Also electric vechile batteries are tied to consumer electronic/phone battery technology - the area of largest r&d in the world.

Mike

Mike,

not trying to be argumentive but where did you get the same solar energy profile between Fairbanks and Germany?

1- Germany is really different between the north and southern borders.

2- Fairbanks has a big deficit of solar energy during few months of what it s called winter ...

as a matter of fact my solar panels are working well starting mid march not that much in january and february the decline is really visible in november ... cant imagine what my northern cousins of Dawson city or Faribanks are meeting as real solar energy profile during their winters ...