DLP is a strange thing here in Alaska.

It's not against the law to kill the Bear. It is however against the law to not fill out the form informing the State that you killed one.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/sta...license/pdfs/dlp.pdf

The Law requires one to first off, tamper with the scene and evidence of the potential crime. Skin the bear, remove it from the scene and turn it and the skull in. Also, one is required to fill out a detailed form spelling out (confessing) everything you did.

AK DLP law requires one to give up his 5th Amendment right and incriminate oneself. One then throws himself at the mercy of the investigating Trooper and the Court. A conundrum for sure.

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Originally posted by Snyd:
DLP is a strange thing here in Alaska.

It's not against the law to kill the Bear. It is however against the law to not fill out the form informing the State that you killed one.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/sta...license/pdfs/dlp.pdf

The Law requires one to first off, tamper with the scene and evidence of the potential crime. Skin the bear, remove it from the scene and turn it and the skull in. Also, one is required to fill out a detailed form spelling out (confessing) everything you did.

AK DLP law requires one to give up his 5th Amendment right and incriminate oneself. One then throws himself at the mercy of the investigating Trooper and the Court. A conundrum for sure.

Only if you have a list of prior F&G violations or issues with the Individual Trooper, is the State going to fuck with you. Now if the U.S.Fish & wildlife Circus is involved (federal land)then you are in for a shit show.

Guys,

Pay attention to what Scott King says. He lives the life that most of you guys are theorizing about.

Mark

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Originally posted by Scott * * *
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"Wearing soft shoes," you bet I am. If I'm out to fish, I fish and have no interest in bear contending. If I'm out to duck or moose hunt the same. A dead moose of any size is all I need to wrestle with, bears not needed. When I bear hunt I just hunt for a bear and kill it if I can. No silly back up pistol, no foolish bravado, just me and a rifle and some wilderness. Oh yeah, soft shoes too, flip flops for around camp. I tire of the waders after being in 'em all day.

That right there sounds like 'right philosophy,' ... soft shoes and all.

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Originally posted by Snyd:
DLP is a strange thing here in Alaska.

It's not against the law to kill the Bear. It is however against the law to not fill out the form informing the State that you killed one.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/sta...license/pdfs/dlp.pdf

The Law requires one to first off, tamper with the scene and evidence of the potential crime. Skin the bear, remove it from the scene and turn it and the skull in. Also, one is required to fill out a detailed form spelling out (confessing) everything you did.

AK DLP law requires one to give up his 5th Amendment right and incriminate oneself. One then throws himself at the mercy of the investigating Trooper and the Court. A conundrum for sure.

It is your report and you are only incriminating yourself if you did something wrong !

Phil when it was all said and done how much time did it take up.

With the DLP bear you shot.

It can be a pain, and F&G troopers have the authority and means to fly to the kill site to investigate and collaborate your story if they have suspicions. The boar I had to shoot was a large male and the client and just out of respect for the animal my daughter helped me skin it as if we were doing it for a full mount. Even though the biologist and F&G gave us the go ahead to simply bring in the head and paws.
So it took a few hours and a few minutes of paperwork


A month later F&G on Kodiak asked me to help two bow hunters with an issue they had and while the hunter who killed the bear felt he was being unfairly treated by having to bring in the required specimens, F&G was satisfied with his and my report

But if you ask , most biologists and troopers will tell you tales of DLP killed bears that were at distances of over 50 yards, by both residents and non-residents

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Alaskan hunting is physically demanding and carrying the additional weight of a handgun in addition to ones rifle always seemed a real waste of energy.
If you can't kill a bear with a rifle , it is pretty doubtful you will do any better with a handgun !

When I lived in Alaska, I’d get a flying service to fly me in and drop me off. I slept in a VE-25 2-3 man dome tent in a sleeping bag. Try getting rifle in action if a bear gets on your tent 5 1/2” To 6” revolver on my chest inside my sleeping bag. Killed several head of game with my revolver when carring fire wood for the campfire, because I always had my revolver. A rifle makes carring the wood overly difficult. Also shot a grizzly that came in while working a moose kill, my rifle was out of reach, but the revolver was in my shoulder holster for quit access.

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Originally posted by DLS:
Whatever caliber you choose, be sure to remove the front sight. That way, when you encounter a bear, it won't hurt quite a bad when the bear is shoving that pistol up your arse.

That is a stupid statement.

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by DLS:
Whatever caliber you choose, be sure to remove the front sight. That way, when you encounter a bear, it won't hurt quite a bad when the bear is shoving that pistol up your arse.

That is a stupid statement.

Yes, very stupid, ... since there are many everyday situations out in the bush and boonies where you won't have a rifle within reach when Mr. Grizz suddenly appears. The pistol on your person will be all you have.

Then it's O.K. Corral time. In my case that means 15-rounds of 10mm hardcast FPs, high and hard. Dead bear, ... don't care. DLP that sucka.

Any questions? Talk to my DLP attorney.

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Originally posted by 458Win:

It is your report and you are only incriminating yourself if you did something wrong !

Wrong, the report belongs to the State. It becomes evidence, if they want it to be, once you give it to them.

Again, killing the bear in self defense is not "wrong" nor against the law UNLESS the Trooper thinks otherwise. Show me the Alaska Statute that says killing the bear in self defense is "wrong". He gets that info from what one writes in the self-incriminating report. If I felt my life was in danger because the bear was too close for comfort but the Trooper thinks the bear was not a threat then what? It becomes subjective at that point and it's up to the Trooper. Again, based on the info you gave him. Then, if he chooses to investigate the scene, all the evidence has been tampered with, in accordance with "the law". It's a conundrum for sure.

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Originally posted by Snyd:

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Originally posted by 458Win:

It is your report and you are only incriminating yourself if you did something wrong !

Wrong, the report belongs to the State. It becomes evidence, if they want it to be, once you give it to them.

Again, killing the bear in self defense is not "wrong" nor against the law UNLESS the Trooper thinks otherwise. Show me the Alaska Statute that says killing the bear in self defense is "wrong". He gets that info from what one writes in the self-incriminating report. If I felt my life was in danger because the bear was too close for comfort but the Trooper thinks the bear was not a threat then what? It becomes subjective at that point and it's up to the Trooper. Again, based on the info you gave him. Then, if he chooses to investigate the scene, all the evidence has been tampered with, in accordance with "the law". It's a conundrum for sure.

To some extent, yes.

But the whole 'documentation' process of a DLP kill raises the distinction between 'allegations' and court-admissible evidence (proof).

If your life was endangered by the bear's aggressive behavior (or 'threatened,' which can be subjective), and you shoot it in defense of your life or to protect unarmed others (as was the case with Shoemaker's shooting), it doesn't matter what the investigating trooper 'thinks' might've happened. It only matters what he can prove in court if he believes your killing was unlawful (not within DLP criteria).

His opinionating on what he 'thinks' might've happened isn't admissible proof.

Unless the trooper personally observed the shooting, where are his witnesses to say the incident happened other than as you've described in your DLP "statement"?

Now perhaps if the contents of your statement is 100% contradicted by the physical evidence at the kill scene, including the remains of the bear, you'll incur problems. But again, if the circumstances of your DLP shooting are credible and your statement is consistent with them, the investigating officer(s) will need hard proof to the contrary. His (or their) mere 'suspicions' aren't proof.

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Alaskan hunting is physically demanding and carrying the additional weight of a handgun in addition to ones rifle always seemed a real waste of energy.
If you can't kill a bear with a rifle , it is pretty doubtful you will do any better with a handgun !

You are absolutely correct, "IF" you are being backed up by a guide while actually hunting Brown bear! However When fishing, or hunting Bou on your own, you don't all ways have a rifle close at hand. For the hunter that is not from Alaska, hunting in pairs or alone with a pack frame on his back, a rifle slung over the top post of the frame, to free his hands for glassing, a large pistol under his rain gear, readily accessible but dry is not a big hindrance. We hunted and fished in pairs for many years in Alaska, and had bears walk right into camp while we were cocking on several occasions. the rifles under the tent flap to keep them dry, were often on the other side of the bear. That old .41 mag was a real comfort, and worth every once of its wait. Luckily the stand offs ended without a shot fired. IMO, it is a lot better to have a gun and not need it, than to not have it and NEED IT!

Not everyone comes to Alaska with a need for a professional guide to back his play, and drop camps are a lot of fun with most of the cost in the bush plane cost, for bou, or moose hunters!

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Originally posted by twobobbwana:
A.J. Hydell,

"Dude" there's a distinct lack of Grizzlys down here admittedly. And if they were "thick on the ground here" it would be illegal to shoot them with a pistol. I figured, that when you're talking about having to shoot a pistol defensively against a grizzly, you'd be doing it where the grizzly are..........not where they ain't !!!!!

"Fantasyland" obviously is a big place............as it obviously extends as far as Texas.


If you can't "haul the big iron" out of a holster and shoot it accurately..........keep practicing !!!!!!

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I have to agree with twobobbwana! There aren't many brown bear in Texas, so I guess one has to know something about the use of a handgun and something about bears even if that person lives in Australia, or Texas, but hunts in Alaska!
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This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

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Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Just back from camp and had two big Lions walk in front of my campfire. My Glock jammed (not that I was overly worried) and continued to jam and never will I trust that again. Worked fine the next day once I had cleaned and oiled it.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

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Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

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My Glock jammed (not that I was overly worried) and continued to jam and never will I trust that again. Worked fine the next day once I had cleaned and oiled it.

Duh the most common reason for most fire arms to fail is the lack of maintenance.

Why would you blame the firearm when you didn't do your part.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

uh... you should read the law as well...

The law requires you to give the state what they need to make a case! A signed confession and the evidence! Also, if the Trooper doesn't think you did enough to retreat or if he thinks you "invaded his habitat" then they can argue it was no DLP. Read the law below.

If the State is so lenient regarding DLP like some of you say, then why even require the form? Why not just require turning in the beast? It's property of the state, if a guy doesn't keep it it's not poaching. I still contend that the law requiring the signed confession goes against the 5th Amendment. Name one other law of the land that requires a signed confession and turning in evidence that can be used against you! Like I said, it's a conundrum.

5 AAC 92.410. Taking game in defense of life or property

(a) Nothing in 5 AAC prohibits a person from taking game in defense of life or property if

(1) the necessity for the taking is not brought about by harassment or provocation of the animal, or by an unreasonable invasion of the animal's habitat;

(2) the necessity for the taking is not brought about by the improper disposal of garbage or a similar attractive nuisance; and

(3) all other practicable means to protect life and property are exhausted before the game is taken.

(b) Game taken in defense of life or property is the property of the state. A person taking such game shall immediately salvage the meat or, in the case of a black bear, wolf, wolverine, or coyote, shall salvage the hide and shall immediately surrender the salvaged meat or hide to the department. In the case of a brown bear, the hide and skull must be immediately delivered to the department. A surrendered hide and skull of a bear must be completely removed from the carcass. A surrendered bear hide must include attached claws. A person taking game under this section shall notify the department of the taking immediately, and within 15 days after the taking shall submit to the department a completed questionnaire concerning the circumstances of the taking.

(c) As used in this section, "property" means

(1) a dwelling, permanent or temporary;

(2) an aircraft, boat, automobile, or other conveyance;

(3) a domesticated animal;

(4) other property of substantial value necessary for the livelihood or survival of the owner.

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Or using the wrong one for the job. You guys can have your jamomatic bottom feeders. My wheelguns go bang every time. Oil or no oil. I eat enough wheaties to be able to pack em in a holster all day without complaining they are too heavy.... boohoo... sheesh... You can't make this stuff up.... "that 454 is too heavy for me and doesn't' carry enough bullets.." I need a titanium 2 oz wundergun with 85 +1 rounds... I can kill the bear deader that way and don't even have to aim... plus it's in my uberlight chest holster so I forget I even carry it...

If have read any of other posts you would realize I am big revolver fan.

But after 40 plus years of carrying both and many years as a law enforcement armorer I seen both fail.

A high quality handgun maintained properly of either type is very reliable.

I started my LEO career when 99 percent of the LEO's were carrying revolvers and ended my career carrying high capacity semi autos.

I still shoot and carry one or the other everyday.

And have no problems trusting my life with either type.

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My Glock jammed (not that I was overly worried) and continued to jam and never will I trust that again. Worked fine the next day once I had cleaned and oiled it.

Duh the most common reason for most fire arms to fail is the lack of maintenance.

Why would you blame the firearm when you didn't do your part.

....Or the fact that your rifle may have been in the rain all day trekking across ten miles of tundra getting soaked, while that back-up handgun under your rain gear is ready to rock, and roll when the rifle fails to work!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
....Or the fact that your rifle may have been in the rain all day trekking across ten miles of tundra getting soaked, while that back-up handgun under your rain gear is ready to rock, and roll when the rifle fails to work!

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My rifles have been soaked for weeks at a time, dunked in creeks, rivers & lots of salt spray & have never failed to go Bang when I pulled the trigger.

Pull the bolt out hose it & bore out/off with spray oil of your choice stand in corner barrel down it will be good to go the next morning.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Just back from camp and had two big Lions walk in front of my campfire. My Glock jammed (not that I was overly worried) and continued to jam and never will I trust that again. Worked fine the next day once I had cleaned and oiled it.

Well there's your problem - don't oil it!!!

But seriously, what part jammed? The only time mine ever jammed was when I shot my only (poorly) reloaded ammunition. Other than that, I have never had a jam with my Glock, whether shooting it at 95 degrees or minus 10.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

+1

Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

Where in Alaska have you lived Dude?

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

+1

Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

Where in Alaska have you lived Dude?

Okay dude, ... ... so you're saying that a person first has to exhibit "life-threatening wounds" from the bear's attack (claw wounds, bites, etc.) to the investigating officer before it can be deemed a justified DLP killing?

In what section of the law does it say that?

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

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Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

Where in Alaska have you lived Dude?

Okay dude, ... ... so you're saying that a person first has to exhibit "life-threatening wounds" from the bear's attack (claw wounds, bites, etc.) to the investigating officer before it can be deemed a justified DLP killing?

In what section of the law does it say that?

I figured in Texas your Mama would have told you it's not polite to answer a question with a question.

Where in Alaska have you lived?

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

+1

Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

Where in Alaska have you lived Dude?

Okay dude, ... ... so you're saying that a person first has to exhibit "life-threatening wounds" from the bear's attack (claw wounds, bites, etc.) to the investigating officer before it can be deemed a justified DLP killing?

In what section of the law does it say that?

I figured in Texas your Mama would have told you it's not polite to answer a question with a question.

Where in Alaska have you lived?

The guy is a terrorist who loves to provoke people. It's tough but you have to ignore his nonsense. It's how he gets off. That...and eating popcorn apparently.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
This DLP thing is situational. When I lived in Dillingham, AK the dump was a stone's throw from a lot of housing. Most folks had smokehouses for drying salmon and hanging meat in the fall. Because of that bears were quite common in and around the neighborhoods close by the dump. They did on occasion raid the smokehouses or just show up in your yard to nose around or even to take a nap. All this caused some conflicts between people and bears. In conversations with the local F&G biologist it was very clear they didn't want you to shoot the bears but rather than have you just dump the bear somewhere rather than going through the onerous DLP process they would come out and help you skin the bear. I don't remember anyone ever being prosecuted for a DLP shooting.

Mark

+1

Try it in my driveway in Anchorage, where we have regular Black Bear visits and the occasion Brown Bear, if you are short of life threatening wounds from the Bear attack you could never justify the DLP.

I agree with Mark, it depends a lot on where you live.

Read the DLP law, dude. Burden of proof is on the state.

Where in Alaska have you lived Dude?

Okay dude, ... ... so you're saying that a person first has to exhibit "life-threatening wounds" from the bear's attack (claw wounds, bites, etc.) to the investigating officer before it can be deemed a justified DLP killing?

In what section of the law does it say that?

I figured in Texas your Mama would have told you it's not polite to answer a question with a question.

Where in Alaska have you lived?

The guy is a terrorist who loves to provoke people. It's tough but you have to ignore his nonsense. It's how he gets off. That...and eating popcorn apparently.

No worries!~! I'm retired, I'll invest a small bit of time to his charade. After all, he chose Lee Harvey Oswald's pseudonym as his user name.

Cheers
Jim

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Originally posted by MacD37:
....Or the fact that your rifle may have been in the rain all day trekking across ten miles of tundra getting soaked, while that back-up handgun under your rain gear is ready to rock, and roll when the rifle fails to work!

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My rifles have been soaked for weeks at a time, dunked in creeks, rivers & lots of salt spray & have never failed to go Bang when I pulled the trigger.

Pull the bolt out hose it & bore out/off with spray oil of your choice stand in corner barrel down it will be good to go the next morning.

I say you are the luckiest bolt hunter in the world!

On one hunt in the mulchatna basin, four hunters had three rifles fail in two ways. Two sakos after a day in the cold rain failed to open with taking a piece of wood to hammer the bolt handles up so the bold could be open the action to place a round in the chambers, both in synthetic stocks. My Whitworth express still in its factory stock warped so badly that aiming at the heart lung area of a Bou at two hundred yards the bullet broke both hind legs in a broad side shot. That rifle was exactly 2 inches inches high on the target at 100 yds when I left Texas. all this after. That rifle was in a synthetic the day I got home.

When TSHTF there is nothing that's not prone to failure to work as intended.

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I had one rifle freeze up it had rained most of the day the temp. took a nose dive. It was a Ruger No.1

I went to take the safety off and it was froze in place.

I had a Benelli shotgun get water in the butt stock and freeze and cause enough extra friction to cause it not to operate properly.

The shotgun went bang but I had to operate it manually.

Both were cured by drying out and oiling.

I am glad I wasn't shooting at anything that was going to bite me.

I say you are the luckiest bolt hunter in the world!

On one hunt in the mulchatna basin, four hunters had three rifles fail in two ways. Two sakos after a day in the cold rain failed to open with taking a piece of wood to hammer the bolt handles up so the bold could be open the action to place a round in the chambers, both in synthetic stocks. My Whitworth express still in its factory stock warped so badly that aiming at the heart lung area of a Bou at two hundred yards the bullet broke both hind legs in a broad side shot. That rifle was exactly 2 inches inches high on the target at 100 yds when I left Texas. all this after. That rifle was in a synthetic the day I got home.

When TSHTF there is nothing that's not prone to failure to work as intended.

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Secret is as soon as you get back to camp open up & dry out your weapon
My Rugers & Mausers have never failed to fire.
With wood stocks I take bbl action out & johnsons paste wax the hell out of everything.
Have not had an issue with warping, where I hunt it rains Aug. till snow. I used to hunt that Mulchatna herd when I could fly & shoot 5 or 10 a day. Have a good one!!

I am not a big guy (nor young), but a heavy .454 Casull such as the Freedom Arms with a 7-1/2" barrel that has been Magna-Ported is not hard to shoot al all. Yes, being a single action makes it slower to shoot, but i figure that the first shot is the one that counts the most.

I would say that a .357Magnum and up loaded with some factory hard cast ammo should make for a good backup handgun. Forget about lead-core bullets and such. Load it with hard-cast ammo and be done with it.

I met a guy who was attacked by a black bear. Animal charged so fast he didn't have time to get his rifle up and the rifle went flying. He swears by having a pistol of adequate caliber firmly attached to your body.

I carry a .44 Tarus Tracker. A pain to shoot with heavy .44 Mag loads, but light and compact. I figure I won't notice recoil if a bear is charging. Adrenaline will cancel out everything but getting some bullets into the bear.

BH63

Glock 10mm with Double Tap 200 gr hardcast

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Just back from camp and had two big Lions walk in front of my campfire. My Glock jammed (not that I was overly worried) and continued to jam and never will I trust that again. Worked fine the next day once I had cleaned and oiled it.

Well there's your problem - don't oil it!!!

But seriously, what part jammed? The only time mine ever jammed was when I shot my only (poorly) reloaded ammunition. Other than that, I have never had a jam with my Glock, whether shooting it at 95 degrees or minus 10.

The bullet kept catching on the lip before entry into the chamber causing a dent on the bullet nose. It would repeat this till I stripped it down. Seems fine now and have not had a problem before.

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Originally posted by Austin Hunter:
Glock 10mm with Double Tap 200 gr hardcast

And an after market barrel?

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Originally posted by tsturm:
I say you are the luckiest bolt hunter in the world!

On one hunt in the mulchatna basin, four hunters had three rifles fail in two ways. Two sakos after a day in the cold rain failed to open with taking a piece of wood to hammer the bolt handles up so the bold could be open the action to place a round in the chambers, both in synthetic stocks. My Whitworth express still in its factory stock warped so badly that aiming at the heart lung area of a Bou at two hundred yards the bullet broke both hind legs in a broad side shot. That rifle was exactly 2 inches inches high on the target at 100 yds when I left Texas. all this after. That rifle was in a synthetic the day I got home.

When TSHTF there is nothing that's not prone to failure to work as intended.

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Secret is as soon as you get back to camp open up & dry out your weapon
My Rugers & Mausers have never failed to fire.
With wood stocks I take bbl action out & johnsons paste wax the hell out of everything.
Have not had an issue with warping, where I hunt it rains Aug. till snow. I used to hunt that Mulchatna herd when I could fly & shoot 5 or 10 a day. Have a good one!!

The Mauser actioned Whitworth in it's wood stock was in a plastic rifle case made like a saddle scabbard much like a full length coverage. However the case had a hole through lid, and the body of the case for a lock. That hole let rain water inside the case. We were floating the Mulchatna river from half cabin lake to Nicks landing at the foot of overlook mountain, about 70 miles by the way the river wound around. We camped at the confluence of the chilicagratna and the Mulchatna rivers. There were six of us in three inflatables.
At this camp we took the rifles inside our tents, and when I removed the gun case from the boat and turned it parallel to the ground a flood of water started pouring out of that lock hole. The thing had the rifle in a case full of water for two days. The rifle was brand new, and I thought the case would protect my rifle from the rain.
I took the rifle out of the stock and cleaned and oiled it and the stock, Alas, it was too late, which I found out when I fired the rifle at the bou @ 200 yds it was hitting 3 feet low and five and one half feet to the right at that distance. Needless to say that case went by the way side in the Mulchatna river. The stock is still I'm my gun room today, and looks like a re-courve bow rather than a rifle stock.

Needless to say, that case has been on the bottom of the river for some 20 odd years, and that 375 Whitworth rifle has taken many heads of game here in the USA, Canada and Africa in the synthetic stock without a mishap.

..................Crap happens!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
The Mauser actioned Whitworth in it's wood stock was in a plastic rifle case made like a saddle scabbard much like a full length coverage. However the case had a hole through lid, and the body of the case for a lock. That hole let rain water inside the case. We were floating the Mulchatna river from half cabin lake to Nicks landing at the foot of overlook mountain, about 70 miles by the way the river wound around. We camped at the confluence of the chilicagratna and the Mulchatna rivers. There were six of us in three inflatables.
At this camp we took the rifles inside our tents, and when I removed the gun case from the boat and turned it parallel to the ground a flood of water started pouring out of that lock hole. The thing had the rifle in a case full of water for two days. The rifle was brand new, and I thought the case would protect my rifle from the rain.
I took the rifle out of the stock and cleaned and oiled it and the stock, Alas, it was too late, which I found out when I fired the rifle at the bou @ 200 yds it was hitting 3 feet low and five and one half feet to the right at that distance. Needless to say that case went by the way side in the Mulchatna river. The stock is still I'm my gun room today, and looks like a re-courve bow rather than a rifle stock.

Needless to say, that case has been on the bottom of the river for some 20 odd years, and that 375 Whitworth rifle has taken many heads of game here in the USA, Canada and Africa in the synthetic stock without a mishap.

..................Crap happens!

I had a similar water logging of my VZ-24 in .458WM only a plastic stock. It sat in a plastic hard case full of water for 24 hrs.
Made the mistake of hosing it out W/WD-40 & not swabbing out the bore a little pitting of the bore was the result, still very accurate & killed a moose on that trip. Just disheartening to see that new Douglas bbl with pits Have a good season this year!!

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Originally posted by Austin Hunter:
Glock 10mm with Double Tap 200 gr hardcast

Agree ... or 220 hardcast FNs @ 1250fps from a Glock 20 (capacity being 15+1).

Tyros here are confused. Focus, dudes.