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I built a .375 wildcat that fits 5 down in a 6 1/2lb Mauser walking rifle. Naming it the .375 Kemano after my best bear river.


Tell us more about the cartridge.

Thank you.


The .375 Kemano as I’m calling it is a .375x57mm improved, neck shortened to .250” and shoulder bumped forward to the .30-06 position, and steepened and blown out slightly. It will headspace on the .30-06 / Whelen shoulder with a slight crush fit, to simplify making brass. Just trim the .375 expanded .30-06 or .35 Whelen brass to 57mm and load, after the first firing they take full shape. The pre-firing brass will headspace however and take the powder load I’m using (56.0grs H4895 under a 235gr Speer for 2,650fps), but you gain a couple grains capacity after firing and I’ve been shooting it at 2,715fps at 57.5grs with no pressure yet (case head expansion .0004” or less, primers not flattened yet). I went with the x57 case length after mocking up a Hawk / Scovill and a .375 Whelen and finding it very deep seated with my preferred bullets and pointy monos in particular. By getting rid of some of the .30-06 / Whelen neck but keeping the shoulder position and expanding it slightly was able to edge ahead of .375 Whelen and fit my magazine much better. I don’t think it’s doing anything new or special but it’s fun and fills my niche for a light walking rifle.

The bear is a long story and is a discussion for the campfire.


very interesting chambering. i do really like my 9.3x62 and 375 ruger but that is really interesting Angus.

thanks a lot.

Phil
 
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Angus: Is the advantage of the Kemona is that you get 5 rounds in the magazine over 3 in the 375 Ruger in exchange for 170 fps slower muzzle velocity? Thanks.
 
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Yes and lighter rifles, and much lighter recoil. In a 6 1/2lb rifle its recoil is more pleasant than my 8 1/2lb .300, but equals the .338 Win Mag for velocity and energy in the bear ranges. Further out the .338 bullets BCs take over but that’s beyond this rounds wheelhouse as a bear guide cartridge. Very efficient. This can be said for the 9.3x62 of course too, the Kemano case is only 3grs bigger, but it’s a little more efficient at turning that powder into velocity being shorter and a slightly bigger bore. There’s also a bigger selection of .375 bullets, and it can make use of the pointier ones TTSXs, Raptor ERs etc, and make mag length while reaching the lands.
 
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Angus, You have it as bad as I do !!

After 40 years of guiding and designing "perfect" rifles I have a rack full of them.

I think Finn was right when he said "fools seldom differ "


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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So true Big Grin I’ll be trying to make the perfect guide and pilot rifle long as I can shoot. Already have the next in mind.
 
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So, what would that be?
 
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For me personally, a stainless 6 1/2lb round action side by side double in a cartridge like this, just made on the x57R rimmed case. With some form of decocking, and 20” barrels.
 
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There in lies madness !

But a lot of fun


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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So true Big Grin I’ll be trying to make the perfect guide and pilot rifle long as I can shoot. Already have the next in mind.


A lot of us have been looking for the perfect rifle.

I guess that way I own many and really only use a few of them.
 
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At the beginning of every hunt I agonize over which of many perfect Alaskan guide rifles to use.

A couple super accurate stainless 338 M 70's ?
A couple 9.3x62's
Three different 375's, ( 2 H&H and 1 Ruger)
A couple 416's , Ruger or Rigby ?
1886 45-70 carbine or 450/400 dbl ?
Or my 458 Old Ugly ?

In spring bear season the choice is more difficult but in the fall not so much


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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I invented the perfect ammo.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=728100262#728100262

Now for the perfect rifle

http://forums.accuratereloadin...4711043/m/1551065712

And for a small down payment of only 1000.00 dollars each I can start. your rifle.

For you Canadians that is 4000.00 yes 4000.00 due to the unstable exchange rate, the unstable PM you have.

The high cost of shipping and import fees I am sure you well understand.

Don't know how long it well take, can not tell you when it well be done.

But I can tell when it is it well be perfect.
 
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As I said

THERE-IN LIES MADNESS


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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As I said

THERE-IN LIES MADNESS


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At the beginning of every hunt I agonize over which of many perfect Alaskan guide rifles to use.


Agonize no more.

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A couple super accurate stainless 338 M 70's? A couple 9.3x62's
Three different 375's, ( 2 H&H and 1 Ruger)
A couple 416's , Ruger or Rigby ?
1886 45-70 carbine or 450/400 dbl ?
Or my 458 Old Ugly?


None of the above. All Fuddley guns with zero sizzle. Whistling

Nope, here's your new bear-bustin' bad boy:

Shuff's Mini-G in .35 Whelen

'And that's all there is to it!'
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1WtDghxbg

By the way, Shuff has since perfected his machining mods to the internals of the M1 receiver so that a .35 Whelen Mini-G can now hold and reliably feed EIGHT (8) rounds from the standard USGI clip, rather than four rounds as shown above.

It's more than enough potent 35-cal firepower to stop the big bears - and of course, eight rounds in a fast-handling autoloader really comes in handy when you want to go to town on a pack of moose. tu2

'Git 'em bubba!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mATs4ngRdo

Just remember to donate all that excess moose meat to the local charities for underfed tree-huggers. clap


All The Best ...
 
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At the beginning of every hunt I agonize over which of many perfect Alaskan guide rifles to use.


Agonize no more.

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A couple super accurate stainless 338 M 70's? A couple 9.3x62's
Three different 375's, ( 2 H&H and 1 Ruger)
A couple 416's , Ruger or Rigby ?
1886 45-70 carbine or 450/400 dbl ?
Or my 458 Old Ugly?


None of the above. All Fuddley guns with zero sizzle. Whistling

Nope, here's your new bear-bustin' bad boy:

Shuff's Mini-G in .35 Whelen

'And that's all there is to it!'
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1WtDghxbg

By the way, Shuff has since perfected his machining mods to the internals of the M1 receiver so that a .35 Whelen Mini-G can now hold and reliably feed EIGHT (8) rounds from the standard USGI clip, rather than four rounds as shown above.

It's more than enough potent 35-cal firepower to stop the big bears - and of course, eight rounds in a fast-handling autoloader really comes in handy when you want to go to town on a pack of moose. tu2

'Git 'em bubba!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mATs4ngRdo

Just remember to donate all that excess moose meat to the local charities for underfed tree-huggers. clap


I have a bit of experience with 35 caliber , 8 shot stainless steel autoloaders and bears.
You are right , they work !
And I also have plenty of experience with M 14's and XM-21's as I used them in Vietnam and the marksmanship unit in Ft Benning. They work pretty well also.

But I am still abit confused as to why you are trying to convince me that some bubba modified Garand makes the best bear hunting and backup gun for guides. I have been doing this for 40 years and will take proven lethality over childish sizzle any day


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
Phil Shoemaker
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AJ is a troll. Most likely paid troll driving traffic to websites and or product. The only other consistency in his comments is his insults of those have gone before. All proof of his irrelevance.


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~George Washington - 1789
 
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That likely gives too much credit and presumption of organization to AJ. I suspect in reality we just have a very, very young guy with too much time available for the internet and too few actual diversions for his attention in the outdoors.

I’ve been there too once a time but never attained his level of opinion, and instead luckily embarrassed myself in the outdoors largely without an audience. It’s about a dozen year era, where a young man knows better than convention. After that dozen or so years convention creeps in, as does the understanding of why it exists. Generally convention is just well filtered ideas from a collective experience no one person could gain a fraction of in a lifetime
 
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I will defer to your point Angus. It is much kinder than mine.


"The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights."
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