10 days, 4 bull elephants and 4 bull buffalo, price is all inclusive at $35,00. Tips are optional. Includes everything, trophy fees, pick up and delivery to airport,daily rate, whatever..Hunt is in Gokwe area.

You have to shoot the first 4 bull Elephant and first 4 buffalo bulls you see. The elephants average about 20 to 50 lbs. The buffalo average 35 to 38 inches..you may very well shoot something much larger if your lucky, but you will be allowed to shot what comes.

It is a cull hunt so you cannot bring parts home with you, but you can photograph and we can have it professionally filmed for $200 per day

You may split the bag and cost with a buddy at $17,750 each, and that will be for 7 days as opposed to 10.

This is a rare opertunity to get in a lifetime of experience in 10 days. It is the best deal I have seen for the hunter who can be satisfied with photographs of his hunt. It has a lot more appeal to me than a tuskless cow hunt.

This hunt is first come first serve and can only be in late October of 2010. I only have those 8 animals.

For additional information and details contact ray@atkinsonhunting.com

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
10 days, 4 bull elephants and 4 bull buffalo, price is all inclusive at $35,00. Tips are optional. Includes everything, trophy fees, pick up and delivery to airport,daily rate, whatever..Hunt is in Gokwe area.

You have to shoot the first 4 bull Elephant and first 4 buffalo bulls you see. The elephants average about 20 to 50 lbs. The buffalo average 35 to 38 inches..you may very well shoot something much larger if your lucky, but you will be allowed to shot what comes.

It is a cull hunt so you cannot bring parts home with you, but you can photograph and we can have it professionally filmed for $200 per day

You may split the bag and cost with a buddy at $17,750 each, and that will be for 7 days as opposed to 10.

This is a rare opertunity to get in a lifetime of experience in 10 days. It is the best deal I have seen for the hunter who can be satisfied with photographs of his hunt. It has a lot more appeal to me than a tuskless cow hunt.

This hunt is first come first serve and can only be in late October of 2010. I only have those 8 animals.

For additional information and details contact ray@atkinsonhunting.com

You sure this is legal Ray?

Who is the safari operator?

Against my better judgement I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but I'm fairly positive this is a shady deal. Knowing who the safari operator is would answer all questions. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I'm 99.9999% sure I'm not

Drummond

A non-exportable buffalo is a red flag for sure. Been there done that. The only reason it would be nonexportable is that it's not on quota. There is no reason to deny the export of an animal that is on a legit quota.

A non exportable elephant makes sense as it can be legal (in Zim) but the operator is unable or unwilling to get a CITES permit. Buffalo are not governed by CITES.

Surely this is not the beloved DR?

Aren't ALL pac hunts illegal?

The way I understand it, no visiting hunter can shoot problem animals in Zimbabwe or Mozambique.

I wish someone would clarify this for us once and for all.

Russ,

Your post has the potential to be helpful but ends poorly.
Why don't you wait a bit and get the whole story before you go off on DR.
It is probably your buddy BK. He likes to hunt DR's area.

i give up. who are BK and DR?

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
i give up. who are BK and DR?

Educated guess is that RD is Dudley Rogers. A good man IMHO.

Dudley Rogers owns the rights to hunt Gokwe and saw this post. He emailed me about it.

He asked me to post the following email so that none of our members get caught up in this illegal Elephant poaching scheme.

I did contact Ray by email and his reply was that I should mind my own business ... among other ramblings.

Fair enough. I have a trophy Elephant hunter in Gokwe during the exact dates as this advertised Elephant Poaching hunt. So, this is my business now. Plus, I do not want to see any AR members get "taken" or thrown in jail in Zimbabwe.

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Greetings,

I have seen these "Gokwe hunts" being offered on AR and other websites by this guy Ray Atkinson whom I do not know, and being carried out by an operator Robbie Kruger, who I do not know. He may be another South African trying to squeeze in on illicit deals with politicians in areas that do not belong to him, just like Russ Gould, Lawrence Botha, Baleni and Ben Cotzer.

The other thing is he may be using the name of "Gokwe" to cover up "Park hunting" to make it look legal, and how would any client know that he is NOT hunting in Gokwe when he goes in to a park or forestry area. You know that I have all three Gokwe concessions, and NO ONE can hunt in ANY part of Gokwe without our permission.

Please send me all the info you can on Ray Atkinson, and these web pages so I can contact National Parks about it. I will send a quick email to The Hunting Report, Dallas Safari Club and SCI warning their member to steer clear of this clown Atkinson. Can you give me the contact info for your USF&W and the FBI to investigate these offers on your side? These adverts which indicate organized poaching will involve the "Lacy act" in the USA if any parts are imported into the country, like an Elephant hair bracelet for example, or even an Impala or warthog or any other animal if it is exported through another operator.

Since these are not sanctioned by the community, where do you think the ivory goes? It will certainly not be turned in to the community! This is nothing more than an organized Elephant poaching operation.

I have found Robbie Kruger Safaris web page and though he advertises Zim, he does not mention areas, and no pics in the gallery??? Also saw Atkinsons web page.

Please post this email on these web sites about this "POACHING SCAM". I am sick of these people who have no ethics and no respect, running illegal poaching operations in my concession.

Cheers Dudley

Atta boy Dudley!!

We haven't re- connected for a few years, but you still have my utmost respect!!

A true stand up guy!!

Hunt Zimbabwe with a Zimbabwean (Rhodesian ), not with foreigners!!

Cheers to you as well, friend!!

You may wish to do some more emailings. I have had this sent to me by 3 booking agents in the biz......

I received this same offer in an email from Butch Manasse on Friday. I, too, have hunted Gokwe will Dudley and would hate to think someone is there illegally shooting elephant.

Incidentally, the email I received also indicates that the same outfitter has obtained 5 permits to hunt buffalo in RSA Kruger national park and expects 43" to 48" bulls. He wants 22.5K for those and argues that that's a smoking great price. Are there even premits granted to hunt legally in RSA to hunt inside the park?

The hunt is with Robbie Kruger Safaris, if there is something you know that I do not then let me know. I have hunted Robbie Kruger for a few years and he has been a good hunter. If something is wrong I need to know as I have a client ready to go.

Robbie emailed me this offer and asked me to sell it for him. I get offers all the time asking for me to book hunts with outfits that I know by reputation. So are you saying that Robbie Kruger is not legitamate, if so I would sure like to know more.

I will be more than glad to send you all his emails to the right person in Africa to get this cleared up, but I have not determined who that would be from the above posts. I will also be glad to send all the emails to SCI, Dudley Rogers if he will contact me, or any other person in authority for that matter, and even testify if need be. There is no mention of illegal activity and I have all this documented but screw any lynch mob led by Wendall on AR..

Send me Dudley Rogers email and I will send him all the emails and documentation..I don't intend to be dragged into this deal, even if I have to take legal action, I am tired of this AR bullshit from Drummond and Wendall..If Dudley Rogers has a complaint then he and I will settle it in a business like mannor not some fucking internet bull shit. I am too old for this bull shit and I'm pissed.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
The hunt is with Robbie Kruger Safaris, if there is something you know that I do not then let me know. I have hunted Robbie Kruger for a few years and he has been a good hunter. If something is wrong I need to know as I have a client ready to go.

Robbie emailed me this offer and asked me to sell it for him. I get offers all the time asking for me to book hunts with outfits that I know by reputation. So are you saying that Robbie Kruger is not legitamate, if so I would sure like to know more.

I will be more than glad to send you all his emails to the right person in Africa to get this cleared up, but I have not determined who that would be from the above posts. I will also be glad to send all the emails to SCI, Dudley Rogers if he will contact me, or any other person in authority for that matter, and even testify if need be. There is no mention of illegal activity and I have all this documented but screw any lynch mob led by Wendall on AR..

Ray, do you even research the hunts that you try to sell or do you just believe everything that outfitters/PH/contractors tell you? I ask because this happens quite a bit with you and to be honest its ridiculous.

As for no mention of "illegal activity", your trying to sell a hunt in Gokwe and the owner of the concession had never heard of you before you posted the advertisement, how is there "no illegal activity"? If you kill animals in Gokwe then they are obviously poached. If you dont hunt Gokwe then you've grossly misrepresented a hunt.

I've taken a lot of heat from a lot of people for taking Ray to task but if you'll do a search you will see where I predicted that this would happen 2 years ago this month(10/29/08) Ray had just advertised that potential hunters coulod hunt the first and second rifle seasons in NM on the same tag which is absolutely false and illegal

quote:

Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
In all seriousness, I think AR needs to take a look at his practices and make a decision on whether or not he should be allowed to advertise here, he just advertised a hunt and was promoting illegal practices. Accident or not the members of AR deserve better from anybody promoting these hunts here. Anybody that has spent time hunting the west knows that you cannot hunt both seasons in NM!

If he doesnt know the rules right here in the USA how could anybody trust what he says about hunting in a 3rd world country? Its downright scary

Drummond

I'm not going to name call or get into a pissing match with Ray again but I will say that the fact that Ray even has to ask on his own advertisement if "there is something he needs to know" is simply tragic.

Ray, you should have know all of the facts before you posted this, no excuses for it whatsoever!

You may wish to do some more emailings. I have had this sent to me by 3 booking agents in the biz......

Ray is not alone in being taken by this scam, as the above post shows.

Drummond,

You wish to re-start your fight with Ray, take it off line.

quote:

Gokwe

As an Armchair Bwana, I decided to do a Google search and found the following

http://www.huntingreport.com/m...r=Tshabezi%20Safaris

http://www.richardcookesafaris.com/html/areas.html

http://www.tukufusafaris.com/Zimbabwe.html

No idea if any of them is selling / sub-contracting for Dudley Rogers. He is involved with the first referred website Tshabezi Safaris.

Oooooo....I am starting to get it now. Wendell owns Hunters quest website which promotes Dudley Rogers....!

Are there even four buffalo bulls in that area??

Same old tricks again?
http://forums.accuratereloadin...2100588/m/9301014031
Perhaps a good chance to find out how and if the Lacy act works any volunteers?
Saeed you are 100% correct PAC hunting by Tourist is illegal in Mozambique and Zimbabwe!

I hunted Elephants in Gokwe in 2009 with Dudley, his son Clinton was my PH. They are a fine family and excellent operators. Gokwe is an immense area, I saw lots of Elephants and Buffalo. They have had Gokwe for many years. They have a booth at DSC every year. Yes, Wendell does represent them. I would trust anything Dudley says.

WHAT THE HELL IS THE HUNTING INDUSTRY COMING TOO.
THIS IS ONE REASON I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE HUNTERS STICK TOGETHER AND GO ON THE 1/2 DOWN AND BALANCE WILL BE PAID ON COMPLETE SATISFACTION OF THE CONTRACT AFTER THE HUNT. WHAT OTHER LEAVERAGE DOES THE HUNTER HAVE WITH A CROOK.IF HE IS THE REAL DEAL THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM AGREEING TO THAT.
LARRY

I have been contacted by Zimbabwe, and this hunt is not on Dudleys concession, it is a hunt directed by the Governor on special order to secure meat for the tribes..

I have the details and am trying to contact the governor at this point as he is the instigator fo the hunt..The real outfitter is Peter Uys, who I have only heard of but do not know. He has this concession close to Dudleys I have been told, and he stated that he has had problems with Dudley in the past..I only know Dudley by reputation.

I am really looking into this before I accept any payment from my client. I don't mind being challanged and I even appreciate most of the posts as they were informative to me and if the hunt was wrong then it would save me a law suit or whatever.

As to Wendells post. I did tell Wendell who the outfitter was (Robbie Kruger)and I did tell him it was actually none of his business and that I wasn't required to tell him anything because he would trash me on AR, but I told him anyway and suggested if we had problems in the future that we should settle it between ourselves like businessmen and he replied to me that was a good idea and he apoligized, then turned around and tried to torpedo me with the above email, in other words he set me up...I have those emails in my file, I also have all of Robbie Krugers emails, and since they have threatened me with all that BS about going to SCI, SWAFA and so fourth., I will keep all this documentation on hand and will be taking a good look at a Liable suit if they continue down that road. If all is legal on Robbies part and Peter Uys and the Govenor and I have reason to believe it is, and if Dudley Do Right backs off and takes Wendell with him then I will be glad to send all the dirty tricks emails to everyone on this thread is someone will voluntier to post them for me as I cannot...In the meantime I had better just hold on to them and let them take any further action.

Needless to say I am madder than hell over this, the trashings I am getting from Wendell and Drummond is ruining my fun on AR and not doing me any good business wise, its uncalled for and strictly jealously over my success as a booking agent over the years by a small handful of wanna be's...I have been trying to retire for 3 years now, but folks keep calling and booking with me...

BTW, as a booking agent I get calls and emails on a daily basis from African Safari Comapanies wanting me to sell last minute hunts for them. In 2008 or 2009, I sold about 15 buffalo and 4 elephant hunts on AR, the buff sold for $5500 and $7500 all told, the elephant bull hunts for $10,000 and they tossed in a Leopard or a Sable. I like to do this as it gives those that normally can't afford a African hunt the opertunity to do so and these are easy hunts to sell and I make money at it. Furthermore is helps the Safari Companies survive in these bad years..Some of my competition hates me for doing this, and that is abundantly apparant. Why because it effects their sales I suspect, or at least they think it does.

I have made up my mind to retire at the end of 2011 as I have a number of hunts booked for that year..I am tired of the problems that go with this business, and very much want to pursue my roping habit. It has put my give a s---ter in neutral.

I apoligize to Saeed and all of you for losing my temper, but I am not casper milk toast and inclined to do that when assualted..I have many friends on AR and I very much consider Saeed a good friend indeed. It is the satalite bulls that always cause the problems.

If there is any illegal activity I will find out, and will not book my client until I am sure, you can bet on that. You do not stay in business as long as I have doing things like I am being accused of. I'll keep you posted on what I find out.

I just now received a telephone call and the Gov is sending a letter of confirmation, date of the hunt, etc. and the hunt is to take place between Shangwari North and South and is not on Dudleys concession in The Shangwari nat. Park according to a spokesman for the Gov..I will receive a copy of that letter.

I don't know what more I can do at this point.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
it is a hunt directed by the Governor on special order to secure meat for the tribes..

Ray,

With all due respect buddy, who do you mean by 'the Governor'?

I'm not commenting on your offer because I don't know anything about it but I believe the particular term you use, usually refers to the Governor of the Bank of Zimbabwe (Sometimes shortened to the Governor of Zimbabwe) ......... Of course, it could be you mean something else but if you do mean the Governor of the Bank of Zimbabwe, he was appointed by Mugabe and is a right evil bastard and most certainly on the banned list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Gono

Perhaps Ganyana might be able to clarify matters.....

Hang in there Mr. Atkinson sir...all evil eventually passes!

The only thing worth addressing here is that I made an attempt to contact Ray by email about this issue and was met with contempt and hatred. I will post my two emails. He can post his if he wants, I have no problem with that. Here are the emails from me, nothing left out. There were only 2 emails from me on this subject.

Ray,

Would you mind telling me who the safari operator is on this Elephant hunt you posted on AR?

Thanks.
--
Wendell Reich

Ray's reply to my email was rude and insulting. In the email he told me "let me do my job and you do your job". After his insults, he told me Robbie Kruger was the outfitter.

My reply in full:

Ray,

You are right Ray, I will let you do your job and I will do mine.

Now you can't say I didn't try.

Good day.

Wendell Reich

I will bend over backward to help someone who is cooperative, but I have little time for abusive angry people. It is not my responsibility to keep Ray's nose clean, especially when he treats me like that.

Gokwe. Dudley Rogers/Tshabezi Safaris. Quota issues. Illegal hunts?
I spent two months in Gokwe earlier this year. I'd believe it all...But I certianly wouldn't take the hunt - absolutely no offense intended towards Mr. Atkinson - but I have been there, seen it and done it with my own eyes. There is something "off" for certain.
Cheers,
Brian

Edited to include - I wouldn't take the hunt, unless I had no qualms about poaching...If the idea didn't bother me, I would be all over it.

Doug Chester Esq.?



Sorry, I couldn't help it.

just when you think Ray has had enough, damn if he doesn't stir the pot again!

Remember chaps we are dealing with Africa here and it is not unusual for the Government or wildlife department to change policy. This cull could be legitimate and I can understand the non export of trophies which ensures that non trophy animals are targeted.

It is yet another way to extract incomes from wildlife and does provide the sportsman an opportunity to hunt at much reduced rates.

For example our wildlife department ZAWA has just offered every operator a healthy quota of elephant? I was offered six but took one as I might be able to take out one trophy bull during the season. However the decision to up the quota from 20 to 200 odd is just an example of what happens over night here.

Without bullying Mr Atkinson it would be interesting to see some paperwork and correspondence relating to this offer from Zimbabwe.

For the record, Mr. Rogers, I terminated my relationship with Ben Kotze in March of 2009 after he (Ben) misled me regarding a hunt organized by Lourens Botha in the Chirisa Safari Area, the details of which were published in African Hunter, and prior to publication there, were shared with Graham Hingeston of HHK. I have never had any relationship with Mr. Botha, although I did have an altercation with him on that occasion. I have no idea who Baleni is. Please refrain from lumping me in with those persons. I don't have a relationship with any of them. I do have a relationship with Graham, and that is working well for both of us.

I don't know you from Adam and made the mistake of relating (under duress) some hearsay regarding your operation on AR on a previous occasion. It was not intended as a personal attack, although your agent and some of your friends took it as such. I apologize for that.

I trust that we are now "even". I would appreciate it if you would refrain from posting further hearsay about me, and I will do the same from my end.

Steve (Shakari)
The bottom line is if he is Magabes boy then that is who we probably have to deal with, I mean they own the country, and those PHs in Zimbabwe deal with them every day, the ones that did not have moved on..Right now I see this as a meat hunt, that is the way that Magabe keeps the locals happy. If my information is right and Dudley hasn't told me its not, the hunt is not on his concession and that is what I am trying to determine. It is next to his concession. I am trying to find out who Peter Uys is at this point as that will make it easier to see what is going on. My goal is to find out who is right and who is wrong, and I will do that.

I am taking this one step at a time, and seeing where it goes, but nothing said in a flaming manner on the internet is going to have anything to do with my decision, My decision will be made based on facts gathered, not fiction or what ifs..

I have all the documentation includeing the in between emails that Wendall so slyly did not include, and I have all the emails describing and giving me the details of the hunt, and sent off an email to Dudley Rogers to get his take on the what is going on and I told him if there is some funny stuff going on and someone is putting me out front then I would assist him in bringing that person to justice, I would testify and furnish all the documentation he needed to get it done..That is the same thing I would have told Wendell if he had contacted me prior to his rant on the internet..

what is going on here is nobodys business but mine and the involved people, that is only good business, the results of what happens is the only thing that can be judged..

The internet has changed the face of hunting, it has become like washington politics, and some of the young guns on the block are encourgeing that, and like this administration you get what you reap...Some of these internet wannabes are like Coyotes what they don't eat the shit on.

I will report the final results of where this goes and that will be it, I will do the hunt or I will expose the culprits, whatever...

As to the idiot poster that says I keep my commission a secret, that is the dumbest comment yet on the internet..I get the set rate of 15% of the daily rate, and 10% on specials..So how much money do you make, how much do you pay the Gov each year in taxes, Do you own your home, is your wife pregnant, have your kids had their shots? Are you impotent? Could you give me the name of your shrink?

I am off to fill my draw tag Antelope and looking forward to my retirement, and a couple of months of roping in Arizona.

Jeez Ray, don't you think it might be easier to just admit that this is a bad deal? Any novice can see it, even guys who are not versed in Africa can see it.

This gets more illegal as it goes along. Area changes, Park hunt, governors letters.

Ray there is no shame in backing away from this and admitting that someone is trying to push a bad deal on you. After all it is not you who came up with it, you are just selling it.

No need to trash everyone around you because someone gave you a bad deal. After all you are the one who posted it not me.

Can't blame Dudley for defending his area. Can't blame me for trying to communicate with you on this by email. Blame yourself for being an ass to me. Sorry dude, I do not have to put up with that kind of abuse when I am the one trying to give you a "Heads up" on this deal.

Ray
I hope you take this the right way and I have no reason to want to annoy you or cause a ruckus. Please look at the names of the Government personnel who are involved in this. I happen to know that at least one of them involved in this area is on the specified persons list. I also happen to know that there have been some extremely dodgy goings with regard this specific area.
I have no doubt that you accepted the details in good faith, however I beleive that you havent been given all of the Info. I would hate to see anyone get involved against their will.

PM me if you are interested in further details and I will fill in the blanks.

Zim and Wendell,
What I will do is find out, and that is what I am doing. I have emailed Dudley and described my position and what I know, and asked him if what I know is correct or incorrect, I have not heard from him as yet.

I think publishing his letter is immature and very internet, business is business and I WILL find out who is right or wrong and I have my client on standby..He has hunted with me 6 times and he is confident that I will get to the bottom of it all..If wrong doing is there then I will put a stop to it once and for all, as opposed to whining and crying like a bleeding heart and doint nothing. I have built up enough documentation to get someone in big trouble if wrong doing is out there, but I won't jump the gun as some and make a lot of useless noise. This isn't my first rodeo and I know people in low and high places in Africa. Something will come about from this.

I am getting both sides, and one side tells me Dudley may be hunting where he isn't supposed to be if he is claiming this area, I don't know but I sure as hell am not going to let anyone tell me my business..I have been at this long enough to sort it all out in the end and I will not be duked as some seem to think. It would have been much easier to sort without all the help and politics of the internet..

If I suspected wrong doing on a posted hunt by my competition, I would email them or call them and express my views and let it go at that..It is very immature and childish to discuss business on the internet as you get way too much static from those that have no clue what they are talking about and the problem gets blown out of porportion, and in most cases nothing gets done..

Threats like calling SCI or SWAFA or whatever are organizations that do a good job at what they do but they have no enforcement teeth and if this is going on then it needs to be addressed legaly and I will work with Dudley or anyone to see that it gets done and put the pressure where it will do some good I hope, but lets not jump the gun with idol accuzations until we know.

Wendall,
If you would post all and every part of our email conversations on this subject I would be more inclined to be civil to you. But your sneaky approaches have just gotten old and I no longer trust you. Your a snake in the grass..You only post the parts that serve your purpose to make a point in your favor, as opposed to the whole thing. You would make a hell of a Democratic Senator. I don't really care what you think at this point..My only concern is to get to the bottom of it.

Dudley had every right to question why you were advertising illegal hunts on his concession, so don't pretend he attacked you. You posted the hunt, you have to answer for it. Cut him some slack dude, seriously ...

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
I don't know but I sure as hell am not going to let anyone tell me my business.

This has become painfully obvious.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
It would have been much easier to sort without all the help and politics of the internet.

Without AR you never would have questioned this hunt and if you managed to sell it, your client would be in violation of the US Treasury Department's ban on doing business with Mugabe's pals.

Ray, stop kidding yourself, this is a hunt in a National Park organized by the local Governors. These governors are the local governors in the area. They are Zanu PF appointed Governors. They are Mugabe's pals. They get the trophy fee money, not the game department.

You can not do business with these guys! This is in violation of US Federal law. Not to mention that we have covered here on AR (Ganyana did) that you can not hunt in a National Park in Zim.

Plus, why don't you question the fact that Robbie used Gokwe as a cover? Doesn't it bother you that they would not tell you true hunting area up front?

Dude, back away from the hunt. It is bad news all around.

But, then again, you know too much to listen to anyone else.

Have fun on your Antelope hunt. Good job drawing a tag there. Hope you shoot a monster.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
I will not be duked as some seem to think.

Ray....doesn't that involve a king or queen and a sword???? Ray "Duke of Filer" Atkinson!!!

Brett

These comments were not written for anyone in particular and may or may not reflect upon anyone in particular.

When I see comments like this “The bottom line is if he is Magabes boy then that is who we probably have to deal with …” it reminds me that people will do anything and deal with anyone for money. What a slippery slope when one dabbles in the grey areas. How quickly one can then slide and push the envelope even farther into the darker areas. Everyone else is doing it so why not me, becomes a justification. The greed for money destroys ethics and honor in those that let it be their master.

How and with whom you conduct business is a direct reflection on your business practices. If you are open to something shady then the trustworthiness of a business deal with you is in question. It is harder to be successful when you value how you do business, more than you do money. It also can be more tempting when starting out, when things are tight or as you are reaching the end to put money first. But you can be successful and well off holding to values.

When I return to Zimbabwe it will be to hunt with a Zim born PH in an area that is as free of controversy as possible, avoiding confiscated farms, lands and business and those with questionable character. I will be a true friend to those I call friends and stand by them.

Ray, the fact that you are intent on roping was not noticed by Wendell. He repeatedly refers to you as the "dude".