Name the property! one call to Jag will tell us if it would be legal for a US citizen to import the trophy into the USA... knowing ronnie and knowing roughly how many guys are left on their farms in matekie hills....

Do recall the Sparrows had some nice foot and mouth free buff on their place near masvingo before it was "occupied"...but those were captive bred and captive fed (you cannot go wrong supplimenting the diet with kapenta sweepings ). If this is the case, sugest you keep your adverts to SCI

just in case anyone finds this felievable and want to sign on - I have this bridge in brooklyn that is for sale- really cheap too

Putting everything aside for a moment ... I still want to see a picture of a 50" Buffalo. I do not care if it is alive, dead, or in a zoo somewhere.

A 50" Buffalo with 16" bosses is a magnificent animal, ignoring all the criticism and the conditions under which it is being advertised, I still want to see it ... no other reason ... I just want to see it.

Wendell, Arnold e-mailed a picture of the buff to me. I can post a picture for him.

You would think that buff's neck would get sore just carrying around that much headgear.

Nice buff. It seems awfully clean for a wild buff.

I would whack it but it isn't worth $100,000 to me.

Dang, that is a beautiful animal.

Thanks Steve.

He's in a boma!

Lionhunter,

is "Boma" african for Petting Zoo?

curious minds want to know...

Rich
Buff Killer

No.

Looks like he is in line for his manicure.

I was looking for an ear tag....

quote:

Originally posted by LionHunter:
He's in a boma!

I know, I am looking past all the "conditions" surrounding the photo and trying to appreciate the animal only for what he is.

It is not the Buffalo's fault he got caught in a boma.

It would be a phenominal trophy if he was killed in a free range environment. Unfortunately ... he has been reduced to an item on a shelf.

Didn't somone say that Ronnie raised Buffalo?

Is this one of his pen raised Buffalo maybe?

quote:

Originally posted by ARNOLD PAYNE:
The pictures on this Buff were attained after a Buff capture. Hence the picture is within a Boma. The capture was necessary to gather stats on the sheer size of this magnificent bull and do some work on some "foot and mouth" free buffalo within the area in cooperation with National Parks.

What would you rather hunt.

or this one...

I prefer real buff to Arnie's buff...

The silence is killing me.....had to bing this back to the top....

quote:

Originally posted by Bwanahile:
The silence is killing me.....had to bing this back to the top....

You ain't right dude....

I have has some correspondence with Mr Payne. I have no idea the real story.

The only thing I will say for it is that I have killed a few really big buff. I think Arnold is low on the score of this one.

He sure is a Sod!
Wouldn't mind running into him some where down in the Valley.

quote:

Originally posted by SGraves155:
Wendell, Arnold e-mailed a picture of the buff to me. I can post a picture for him.

DANG THAT'S A MONSTER!
MAKES MY FIRST ONE LOOK LIKE A BIG DOG

Mr. Payne:

Did you ever manage to sell this buffalo?

Just curious.

hello Larry

still accepting offers

the hunt is all yours!!

I will be down on business in a few months..if you have plans to visit the region you are more than welcome to come visit the camp and hunt area

Arnold Payne
Impala African Safaris
apayne@impalasafaris.com
480 558-6932

Arnold - I see you are having more than the usual difficulty in getting your trophies out of Zim... You do seem to represent honest operators....

(NB - I edited out the clients names and details since they were taken poaching and their trophies are not really eligable for importation to the USA anyway...)

To whom it may concern



My name is Arnold Payne with Impala African safaris. Although I am a Zim guy we book hunts for hunters here in the U.S.



My mother who represents my company in Zim called earlier on Thu april 30 and said I should send an e mail with details of where my clients trophies are etc etc.



To answer your questions:





Who conducted the hunt?


The 4 hunts were conducted by a company called “PASAT SAFARIS” . I was contacted some time ago ( 2006 ) by a Zim PH named “Col. Watson Tshipa “ from Hwange PH # 485 . He promised me that he could conduct good ethical hunts in quality areas in Mat North for both dangerous and PG and to please give him some business. I decided to give him a chance as he mentioned he had worked for National parks , Rhino rescue etc etc. I sent him 4 clients in 2008. The other members of his company that are involved are : 1 . TITUS SHABA who seems to have deserted the company now that the hunts are over and 2. Baster Willie Magwizi who was supposedly involved with administration etc.






Where were the hunts conducted?


The hunts were conducted from a “ Camp Selous “ which was supoposed to be in the Sikumi forest but is actually in the Gwaai bordering the Sikumi Forest.



To my understanding the hunters hunted this area along with neighboring concessions ? But at this point my company has obviously been misled.



To give a short account of payments that were made to PASAT : 1. I sent a number of payments directly to my mother Mrs. Payne in Zimbabwe as PASAT said they had no foreign currency account. I would have Pasat collect the funds and sign for the payments they received. The other funds were sent to a bank account here in the U.S. as Titus Shaba has a wife who is a nurse here. I have documentation of all those payments too direct to PASAT Safaris.





My clients trophies ( less the Ivory for both elephants ) were finally delivered to Taxidermy Enterprise in Byo in January ’09, 4 months after the final hunt. However Watson Tshipa delivered the trophies with no paperwork and promised he would bring the paperwork in the following day. Nothing has happened since.



Paula at Taxidermy Enterprise is in charge of this account and at present she has contacted me to tell me all the trophies will be handed into National Parks because Waston is nowehere to be found and has not brought in the required paperwok , tags for ele, crocodile etc.



Lastly: I have ALL proof of payments made to PASAT Safaris to conduct the hunts. My clients are anxious to pay for the shipment of their trophies as they know everything is at Tax. Enterprise. What steps can I take in order to have these trophies released to my clients ? I spoke to a few Zim PH’s at SCI and they said that if I can secure the trophies with proof that I paid for them I can more than likely get them cleared myself .



I look forward to hear from you . I would rather my clients do not complain to SCI about this. It is hard enough to book hunters to our lovely country as it is !!



Thank you



Kindest Regards



Arnold Payne / Impala African Safaris

quote:

(NB - I edited out the clients names and details since they were taken poaching and their trophies are not really eligable for importation to the USA anyway...)

I wonder how much Arnold Payne charges for poaching?

WOW!!!!!!!!

This message was sent direct to SOAZ in order to bring PASAT Safaris to book and process all trophies.

SOAZ forwarded my message immediately to National Parks with the initial sentence that read
" I am forwarding to you ANOTHER complaint about hunts conducted and trophies not yet received. Since Pasat is not our member please would National Parks look into the matter and respond urgently to Mr. Payne with an explanation and solution"


1.My company was misled and given what we thought to be a legitimate HOP # 0241
2. We checked on references and a number of clients attested that they had hunted with PH # 485.
3. We were misrepresented on the area of the hunt
4. National Parks will be provided with all documentation/payments provided to Pasat Safaris.

My company sends hunters to legitimate, registered and hard working Zimbabwean outfitters. Hence we have involved National Parks because of our lapse in judgement.


Ganyana you have a deep hatred for Ron Sparrow and the reason for your post is because I posted a hunt on his behalf. for what reasons you hate him I do not know.

I have no room for hatred and will continue to fight for any/all of our clients regardless.

I would like to meet you in person while in Zimbabwe this July. My hope is that you take me up on this offer.

Arnold Payne
Impala African Safaris
www.impalasafaris.com
480 558 6932

Certainly an impressive spread, but aren't his ears and boss awfully pristine for a wild buff??

I certainly claim no expertise when it comes to Cape Buffalo but the animals posted by JohnHunt certainly look more like what I expect wild buff to look like, and sure as hell the one with the two oxpeckers on its back looks like a better trophy, scores be damned.

For such a "wild" buff he looks to be in fine shape so whats his name do you offer tourist kids rides on his back

think I could get into the record books if I just hugged him to death?

Rich
Buff Killer

Wonder if they polish his horns and hooves before you shoot him

I'm really busy this year. If I get the winning bid can someone walk out to the boma and kill him for me?

I know you cant really tame a wild animal but that buff looks more of a pet then a wild beast

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:
I'm really busy this year. If I get the winning bid can someone walk out to the boma and kill him for me?

If they really want to be groundbreaking they could set up one of those remote-controlled rifles with a webcam and have the first internet "dangerous game" hunt...

quote:

Originally posted by ARNOLD PAYNE:
This message was sent direct to SOAZ in order to bring PASAT Safaris to book and process all trophies.

SOAZ forwarded my message immediately to National Parks with the initial sentence that read
" I am forwarding to you ANOTHER complaint about hunts conducted and trophies not yet received. Since Pasat is not our member please would National Parks look into the matter and respond urgently to Mr. Payne with an explanation and solution"


1.My company was misled and given what we thought to be a legitimate HOP # 0241
2. We checked on references and a number of clients attested that they had hunted with PH # 485.
3. We were misrepresented on the area of the hunt
4. National Parks will be provided with all documentation/payments provided to Pasat Safaris.

My company sends hunters to legitimate, registered and hard working Zimbabwean outfitters. Hence we have involved National Parks because of our lapse in judgement.


Ganyana you have a deep hatred for Ron Sparrow and the reason for your post is because I posted a hunt on his behalf. for what reasons you hate him I do not know.

I have no room for hatred and will continue to fight for any/all of our clients regardless.

I would like to meet you in person while in Zimbabwe this July. My hope is that you take me up on this offer.

Arnold Payne
Impala African Safaris
www.impalasafaris.com
480 558 6932

Ganyana has a great deal of "real" credibilty in the hunting world. I suggest you refrain from calling him out when he has the facts in hand. He is not the one who has been 'exposed' in this thread.

Ganyana

Thank you for sticking your neck out for fellow hunters, at your own peril, it seems (!)

You wouldn't know many of us from Adam, but provide a tremendous service with your sharp eye and integrity. Certainly you have spared many first time hunters or those less knowledgeable than you quite a lot of grief, loss and disappointment. Net result- more happy hunters coming to Zim.

Well done, again.

Hi Arnold

Ronnie knows where to find me. I have tea with his brother often enough! Funny, one is absolutely straight and the other even throws a stone crooked!

I have issues with anybody who takes clients poaching...or undeclared canned hunting. ( if you declare that it is a canned hunt - that's fine, not my taste but if that is what the client wants, that's fine by me. portraying a canned hunt as a free range hunt is what I have issues with).

On the issue of your clients trophies from PASAT safari's... An interesting dilema. I would wish every client got his trophies - Zim has enough of a bad reputation right now on every front without clients loosing their trophies - especially through no fault of their own. However...Knowing where some of those animals were shot - the owners of the properties were not consulted or payed Therefore that is poaching...and your embassy has been informed of clients names and all details. Also note- PASAT safaris is under no obligation to pay or get permission from the land owners regarding the trophies under the current regime in Zim - that is up to you!

Gentlemen,

I have been asking about the two Sparrow broters, and sadly everything I heard points to exactly what Ganyana has stated.

That Ronnie is an individual to be avoided.

quote:

Originally posted by SGraves155:
Wendell, Arnold e-mailed a picture of the buff to me. I can post a picture for him.

Curiosity killed the Cat!....Can someone tell me what the dribble marks on the inside of each curve
and liberally splattered over the bosses are? (Note: no coloring on the underside though).
It doesn't look like mud - the surrounding earth is of a different color and if it were mud it should have
some semblance to mud. What I am seeing appears somewhat artificial as dribblings (similar to those on the
photo) which can only be caused by a liquid (paint or dye)?.......Food for thought gentlemen!

Apart from that he's undoubtedly a grand buffalo!

I saw that too, I would be willing to bet is is medication of some sort that they have been doused with.

These Buff may have been caught in a hoof and mouth area. Not sure if you can "dip" a Buffalo and get rid of it.