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Originally posted by MacD37:
NOTHING SUCKS MORE THAN THE MOMENT DURING A HEATED DEBATE, WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU'RE WRONG!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:
I guess I am a bit confused so I'll ask Mac and others here if the following meets the definition or that "B" word I won't use:


None of the following are offered as "options", I specifically requested them and Guillaume Verney-Carron as well as every other other member of the Verney-Carron family each personally responded to every request with "It is your gun, we will build it any way you want. We want you to be happy."


1) Action shaped per my specifications - different than the shaping of any of their "production" actions and not offered as an option;

2) splinter forend - not done on any of their double rifles;

3) engraving based upon photos I provided - their standard is a game head only. In my case I wanted more than just the head of a "standard elephant" and provided precisely what I wanted - and that's what I received

Of course the stock dimensions (all of them after two separate multi-hour fittings of all of the acronyms you guys know) based upon the fittings done separately by Thomas Bland&sons as well as Griffin&Howe.

I also had the choice of what I wanted for cheekpiece and whether it was present or not (having "no cheekpiece" is not a usual "option" on any production double of theirs, though shadowline vs. no shadowline is an "option") and right sided palm swell and position based on my fitting.

Then there were the plethora of "options" - front and rear sight types, grip cap resevoir, intercepting sears, stalking safety, extended top strap, steel end cap and inserts on forend, sling swivels, barrel length - all of which I opted to get.

Now, not that I care one way or another what anyone calls it but just so I get my terminology correct per the "accepted" standard usage ...

Do the "non-options but done because I specifically requested them to be done the way I want" fulfill the "B" definition?

or

Do the multitude of "options" I chose fulfill that definition?

or

Neither because the definition is something entirely different and I still don't understand...

Thanks for the clarification

CCMDoc, I would say, based on your first hand experience with Verney-Carron's people,not just salesmen, if true, that I stand corrected on all counts!

NOTHING SUCKS MORE THAN THE MOMENT DURING A HEATED DEBATE, WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU'RE WRONG!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by DoubleDon:
Mac

Sure sounds like CMCDoc is getting (despite himself) a "bespoke" gun to me.

I think you are right my friend, at least on the internet, lets see how the finished product turns out! I think the rifle he ordered or wants to order is a 450/400NE 3" right? IMO, a very good choice, especially for a lot of use in Alaska, and will hold it's own in Africa as well.

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As far as resale value - that's not a consideration for me. The return on this investment will be the look on my son's face when I hand it to him and tell him to "add some scars to it on a safari in Africa".

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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As far as resale value - that's not a consideration for me. The return on this investment will be the look on my son's face when I hand it to him and tell him to "add some scars to it on a safari in Africa".

CCMDoc,

Now that's what I love to hear. Kinda of my new policy on personal firearms as well. Let' use em, get to really know them, and pass on down; keep a history in the family. Very nice, Doc.

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Originally posted by Nemo .450:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:
I guess I am a bit confused so I'll ask Mac and others here if the following meets the definition or that "B" word I won't use:


None of the following are offered as "options", I specifically requested them and Guillaume Verney-Carron as well as every other other member of the Verney-Carron family each personally responded to every request with "It is your gun, we will build it any way you want. We want you to be happy."


1) Action shaped per my specifications - different than the shaping of any of their "production" actions and not offered as an option;

2) splinter forend - not done on any of their double rifles;

3) engraving based upon photos I provided - their standard is a game head only. In my case I wanted more than just the head of a "standard elephant" and provided precisely what I wanted - and that's what I received

Of course the stock dimensions (all of them after two separate multi-hour fittings of all of the acronyms you guys know) based upon the fittings done separately by Thomas Bland&sons as well as Griffin&Howe.

I also had the choice of what I wanted for cheekpiece and whether it was present or not (having "no cheekpiece" is not a usual "option" on any production double of theirs, though shadowline vs. no shadowline is an "option") and right sided palm swell and position based on my fitting.

Then there were the plethora of "options" - front and rear sight types, grip cap resevoir, intercepting sears, stalking safety, extended top strap, steel end cap and inserts on forend, sling swivels, barrel length - all of which I opted to get.

Now, not that I care one way or another what anyone calls it but just so I get my terminology correct per the "accepted" standard usage ...

Do the "non-options but done because I specifically requested them to be done the way I want" fulfill the "B" definition?

or

Do the multitude of "options" I chose fulfill that definition?

or

Neither because the definition is something entirely different and I still don't understand...

Thanks for the clarification

CCMDoc, I would say, based on your first hand experience with Verney-Carron's people,not just salesmen, if true, that I stand corrected on all counts!

NOTHING SUCKS MORE THAN THE MOMENT DURING A HEATED DEBATE, WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU'RE WRONG!

.........................

I, er... um... does this mean I wasn't wrong? . . . . . . . . .

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by MacD37:
we will know for sure once CCMDoc gets what he ordered the way he ordered it................or not!

For now it looks like he will get it, and if he does, then VC is one of the only lower class makers who offers what ever flavor you like.

However all the makers, that most consider to be OFF THE SHELF makers, do offer custom fitted rifles within reason!

BESPOKE ( a word I simply hate)is a pony of a different stripe, IMO! For now, it seems, if what CCMDoc was told, will be done,and will show up on the finished product, then BESPOKE is the word!

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:
we will know for sure once CCMDoc gets what he ordered the way he ordered it................or not!

For now it looks like he will get it, and if he does, then VC is one of the only lower class makers who offers what ever flavor you like.

However all the makers, that most consider to be OFF THE SHELF makers, do offer custom fitted rifles within reason!

BESPOKE ( a word I simply hate)is a pony of a different stripe, IMO! For now, it seems, if what CCMDoc was told, will be done,and will show up on the finished product, then BESPOKE is the word!

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
I came to this thread late but am glad I did. I find this discussion to be one of the most informative I've seen on AR.

I was measured by V-C at Reno but didn't have time to discuss things. I am considering a used Merkel 500NE (again). And am still working on my Sabatti. I may end-up going back to my bolt guns, but the DR experience has been very interesting, to say the least. Time will tell, but I have an Ele cow awaiting my arrival in Zim this September, so can't wait much longer.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Doc, maybe you have answered this before but if you did, I missed it. What was your last .600 NE like to shoot and how much did it weigh? What made you select the .600 over the .577? Do you have any idea of what it would cost to buy a plain old VC PH in .577?

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Originally posted by DoubleDon:
We all have our opinions. IMHO, I'll take the .577 all day long...at any price.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Ok, i am going to admit up to it. I started this thread. I did my research. I concluded to have a 500 NE built for me by VC. Then an e mail arrived offering me a Merkel 470 NE with a lot of bells and whistles at an insane price. The Merkel arrived today. I have yet to shoot it.