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If that is the case then you are a true expert I apologize to you From now on will check with an expert (the type that tell me what I should be not what I could be using)...... before deciding on what rifle to cary Funny shit on these forums.......funny shit ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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112 water buffalo by you, yourself and I! Wow, you're right I don't know jack about killing animals! That's 16 per day, average of 2/hr in a typical 8 hr hunting day. Must be fun riding around in the back of a truck! Guess I'll take my 243 and go home. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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BTW....... Throwing out your stats is cock measuring.....I referenced this as a man thing earlier Girls and women are OK to hunt with short action rifles......men should not I proved this in 2014 with two separate polls in the African forum More entertainment ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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There is always an expert that trots along to teach us blunts Thank goodness for that......bless their hearts ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Quote"Last year was particularly busy with 399 large animals taken by me. After that I barely count my own African hunts as much more than a rounding error. In that number there was the tag end of a couple bullet tests. One of those tests was shooting the darling of the copper bullet crowd head to head against one of the most ordinary cup and cores. Used 3 different 30-06s, with 168 TSXs, 165 Interlocks and after the first year quite few 180 grain woodleighs. After a rounded down 450 animals I did what I did, saw what I saw and know what I know. Did another one on 112 water buffalo in a week, with different bullets too. Feel free to call bullshit on that too." end quote  This guy is in a league by himself, pretty sure the only person even close to his "experience" would be "the" Idahoo Sharpshotter....... Bow down everyone and pay homage to the great and all knowing Dogleg! I better get Doglegs phone number on speed dial before my next hunt so I can consult with him, I didn't realize it but I may have been using wrong cartridges for game for more than 40 years. I shudder to think of my poor bullet choices as well.... | |||
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I have a funny feeling that even the folks who hunt for a living making tv shows and all can't hold a candle to Dogleg. That's over 33 animals a month, or over 1 a day! With all that work killin' animals, he doesn't have time to sit on AR all day and teach us mortals about the fine art of hunting. Good thing there isn't any packing, travel, gutting, finding lost animals mixed in there to break up his routine. And, we didn't even count the African animals .... Bwahahahahaha  Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Kassandra kills cow elk @ 688 yards! While I realize a sampling of one is not statistical proof, it's the indian not the arrow that kills deer. Deer will continue to fall to smaller and larger calibers, but cartridges only work if the hunter puts the bullet where it belongs. | |||
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I love that video Chad! | |||
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Wow Didn't happen......trick photography Inadequate cartridges don't carry enough down range energy to effectively dispatch game......especially bullet proof elk ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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No no no .... you have it all wrong, Ted. We're talking about bullet proof DEER here, you know, the biguns like 350 lbs. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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She was however using an AR Forum-man approved cartridge for a woman ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Funny too that ol' Ray likes the use of the 7-08, or even a 257 Bob, on elk, but a 243 on deer is asinine! I guess that 0.041" bullet diameter makes all the difference on elk and makes it a shortcoming for a beastly deer. God forbid we do the math comparison on the 257 Bob or 250-3000, lol. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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What kind of price tag on 450 big game and 112 capes? Seems it would be staggering. | |||
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 I killed 450 animals testing bullets......another 112 Water Buffalo......what say you? Well by golly......I've killed 33 or 34 bull elk over 330" and have the pictures to prove it...... Or maybe not ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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 Are you sure that will give you adequate penetration? ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by graybird: I have a funny feeling that even the folks who hunt for a living making tv shows and all can't hold a candle to Dogleg. That's over 33 animals a month, or over 1 a day! With all that work killin' animals, he doesn't have time to sit on AR all day and teach us mortals about the fine art of hunting. Good thing there isn't any packing, travel, gutting, finding lost animals mixed in there to break up his routine. And, we didn't even count the African animals .... Bwahahahahaha [/QUOT253 mixed animals in one week. Best day 29 Buffalo by myself. 28 the next day, 14 from a single position, single shooter. 49 mixed before lunch one day.81 Buffalo between 3 of us on one day. Gutting and meat recovery? None of that, this is straight out population control feed the birds shooting. A cost effective alternative to heli-gunning. I'm not in a league of my own. its not real crowded in the league and it is a different league. Anyone join. | |||
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With those numbers, yup, you know everything there is to know about the fine art of hunting. Us minions better get a reality check ... Or maybe it's a different crowd?  Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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It never is crowded at the top ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I'm still curious what the other 146 animals were. I can't help myself!  Curious too about all those African animals!  Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Here is what a kid can do with a .243 Win! Shot placement was a little bad that big ol' buck ran on him.  | |||
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Feral culling in Australia. African species are fairly ordinary mixs of plains game, some Buffalo, and elephant. Two trips to SA, two to Zim, one to Moz. Fairly ordinary stuff really. | |||
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Wow! Five trips to Africa in one year, when do you find time to work! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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At $2500 per round trip flight from STL to East London for me in 2014 You are that x5 or someone is spending OPM I would say those trips are hardly ordinary stuff But it is yet more dick swinging.......you're good ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Who said all the trips were the same year? None of those were last year. | |||
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We are all here playing this stupid card game Sooooo......I will ask Dogleg the same thing I asked of the ISS about his elk claim so many years ago Your claims? Prove it Or better yet can a couple credible AR members back you? ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Maybe not your ordinary. Quite doable for others. For still others it's chump change. Everything is relative. | |||
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I have time......I can wait ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Yeah, but you said you killed 399 last year alone. 253 were in Australia, I'm assuming from your previous post, how about the other 146? The African critters are just rounding errors, lmfao! What were the other 146 animals, and more specifically, how many of them were deer? Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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"Matt Graham" Owner of Hunt Australia "Sarge" long time guide with Hunt Australia.(Culling when I hunting with him, but he's a buffalo guy) "GunsmokeAdventures" Owner Barry Seabrook (Water buffalo culling) "Fortyonesix" Owner and guide of Black River Outfitting. (Grizzly guide) "Angus Morrison" Owner of Wildcoast Outfitters. "Coastal grizzly this year) "41Bisley" hunter, shared buffalo culling camp. He shot more than 50 in 5 days, if you want an exact number you'll have to ask him. "Tankhunter" hunter, shared same culling camp, also shot more than 50 on that hunt. Being a native born Aussie, god only knows how many buffalo he's shot. "Kestrel" Fellow hunter, shared a disasterous trip in Zim, still managed to kill buffalo and NT elephant bulls between disasters and maintain a it of morale. Fill your boots. | |||
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253 were in one week in the Northern Territories 1 buffalo. Took a day off then went to Raminginy for the buffalo hunt. 111 and the rest were pigs. Good fun. Returned home to hunt moose, whitetail, elk and black bear on one of my farms. Abrupt change of pace, that. My total take on deer (combined mulies and whitetail)would be a bit under 190. Having several years with limits that varied from generous to none, CWD zones and years of depredation tags given to landowners for distribution tend to run the numbers up. When you kill nearly 400 animals in a couple of weeks, or have several 100 animal weeks under your belt a typical 6-10 head plains game hunt doesn't seem like that big of a deal any more. Oh, it was fine at the time, but frankly a few animals like that is a suitable number for rounding off to the nearest hundred. | |||
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I'll write a couple PM's I might even have to look into all these hunt reports I sure hope there's no dick picks in any of it ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Missouri is the "Show me state", correct?  | |||
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Yes it is We believe everyone is full of shit.......it's why we ask ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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You know, the way the world is it probably is not a bad policy. What do you do after you're shown? I guess Sarg doesn't have an E in it. | |||
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This is my first entry into a proper AR food fight, but Dogleg's a friend, and frankly one of the most experienced purveyors of animal death you'll ever meet. Whether you wish to follow his line of thinking or not, and personally I do but I won't tell you to, it's pretty hard to debate that he hasn't seen more bullets and loads at work than the vast majority here... or anywhere for that matter. The fellow can bloody well shoot, too. I was his guide for coastal grizzly / brown bear and he is easily the most experienced client I'll likely ever guide. He also benefits from owning a county's worth of wild land here in Canada, with his own bears, moose, predators, and even wild bison. On top of that he's a working trapper and spent his career working outside in the boreal and subarctic, he has not lead a sheltered life. Now, I can tell this isn't going to be popular opinion in this thread, but my opinion is Mike bloody well knows what he's about and has seen more than most guides on cartridge and bullet performance, and certainly more than any hunter I've met. Is he god? I don't think he'd want to be if it was offered to him as that would mean killing by will and not rifle. And I know he certainly doesn't have a god complex, as it seems some would wish him to, apparently to debase his argument. When you're stuck under a 6x6 fly sheet in pounding north coast rain sitting on sacks of salt surrounded by bears and rotting salmon, you get to know a fellow fairly well. Mike and I also talked on forums for years before hunting together. I can learn an awful lot from a fellow like Mike and enjoy the opportunity, and whether or not the .243 has worked great for you means little in regards to what he's seen with bullet and cartridge performance. He isn't pulling your leg or trying to lead you astray. In summary, I respect everyone here by default. I respect Mike because I know him and what he's done, he's one of the few who's life you could write a book on and he won't get into the half of that here. He just wants to share what he's seen with cartridges and bullets, I'm happy to read it. And my thoughts on the .243? It's not fast enough to be a good .270 substitute, with a bullet heavy enough for my taste. It is a stellar heavy varmint rifle with a side of deer however, and a .257 is a stellar deer rifle with a side of varmint. I like the .243, I do bear in mind its limitations however. Good hunting to you! | |||
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Oh, so most your 399 animals you shot were culls sitting around a water hole, or something. As you put it, sitting in a single position. Now, that is some bragging rights! Curious how many deer you've killed with a 243? My guess is not nearly as many as I have. And, coming from someone like you, who obviously keeps tally on the number of animals he kills in a week of culling, I'd wager a bet that you do care about those 6-10 African animals, which soon become rounding error. Hell, why not round 399 up to 400, since we're not counting. Dude you're a hoot! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Graybird he's done an awful lot more than that, this is Mike with a coastal grizzly / brown bear on his back this September, and this wasn't his first grizzly hunt. Anyone that can tolerate the rain I subjected Mike too, and the river flooding, with good humour is a friend of mine. A fellow you trust enough to leave your own rifle in camp to save the weight is a very good friend. And no, Mike and I hadn't met or done business before this fall, I'd just encountered him on forums as you guys do here, so you're not hearing from his wife's best first cousin. I suspect if / when you met him you'd find yourself startled at how interesting the company is.  | |||
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Wow......rain tarp buddy that you got to know better whilst sitting on salt..... You might be his starry-eyed groupie but your buddie has no fans with this "novice" student who should listen and take notes from the "purveyor of animal death".......bless you're heart Craz ..... I will say everything you said in his last post is true...... I liked it Randal +1 Like I said in my first response here and I stand firm ** Points made were..... Jack O'Connor......never fired a TTSX or GMX.....ever !!! Doubt ol' beloved JOC ever shot a fast twist .224 or 6mm anything either.....nope Northern whitetails are far tougher than any deer in Oklahoma and graybird is a hoser......dontchaknow The .243 or any of the .308 Win family are perfect cartridges for a lady or child as long as shots are held to very close range and the bullet placement is perfect Men......and I mean real men shoot magnums.......belted of course Animals lost are always bullet failures and/or cartridge inadequacy........or idiots that won't listen to the purveyor of death Gut shot 180 grains Cor-Loc .300 WM at 50 yards trumps a double lung at 250 with a 6mm anything!!!!! I'll see what else shit gets slung around here I missed Wait Wait Wait........never ever!!!!!! travel out of state or spend money on a non-resident license without shooting the biggest rifle cartridge you accurately own and lob heavy for caliber bullets to make bad shots (less bad) This goes double for African PG and Elk......never use inadequate cartridges on these animals as they refuse to die from puzzy guns ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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