I just read a boring thread on using .223 on deer. Everybody is in complete agreement on the subject--no controversy. I wanted to start a thread that will generate some difference of opinion and controversy---maybe even start some flames. Tell us about your experience or lack thereof of using .25ACP on deer size and larger game.

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Tell us about your experience or lack thereof of using .25ACP on deer size and larger game.

I've had a lot of experience of not using a .25 ACP on deer. It's among my favorite cartridges to not use.

In my lifetime I may have killed "Many thousands" of deer by not using a .25 ACP.....I highly recommend not using it to all of you hunters out there!

As a matter of fact it's among the top calibers to not use!

The only reason to use a blunderbuss like the .25 ACP is due to the fact that cases and bullets for the 2.7mm and 3mm Kolibri are so difficult to come by. You could use a .22 Short, but rimfires are prohibited in many states (the portion of the case struck by the hammer is critical to killing power, you know), so that leaves the .25 ACP as your only practical choice.

However, if one has not killed the thousands of deer that I have not killed, then one immediately recognizes that the efficiency of the round is greatly enhanced by mounting a scope of not less than 24X on the top end and having a 50mm or greater objective with at least a 30mm maintube. Anyting less will doom the user to failure (thousands of times).

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I've had a lot of experience of not using a .25 ACP on deer. It's among my favorite cartridges to not use.

In my lifetime I may have killed "Many thousands" of deer by not using a .25 ACP.....I highly recommend not using it to all of you hunters out there!

As a matter of fact it's among the top calibers to not use!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa!



I'm really beginning to believe that this "I killed a brontosaurus with a slingshot" type thread is like Liberalism....a mental disorder.

Vapodog, I'll bet I've had more experience not using a .25ACP than you have. neener, neener, neener.

This brings us to the next question in this thread;
"What twist and barrel length" would you experienced not users recommend when shooting the Hornady 35gr XTP's? What velocities would you expect and what would be the max range on say Kangaroo and Crockodile?

You guys may all have less experience than I do killing deer with the .25 ACP (though that's hard to conceive), BUT, I'll bet not one of you has fewer .25 ACP reamers and other tooling than I do!!

So if my current .25 ACP DG rifle goes belly-up and downstream before Fall...I guess my planned Toy (sub-miniature) Roosevelt Elk season will be a total write-off.

Geez....all the rain for a perfect season, and nothing to wound (barely) with....

But you guys are overlooking the efficiency and cost of using the ctg. Geeez, as much as we have talked about this type of stuff!!

Guess who just resently inherited a 25ACP.Son of a gun; over bore again. roger

"Hey MF"!! "What you doin here with my woman!!????" "I go'in to shoot you!(carrying a 25ACP)((OR A 380 ACP THAT RUGER HAS MADE FAMOUS OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS!!) Last words from the mouth of the scum before the 357 or the 44 rang true!!! Deers don't usually offer no verbal message before they die. Some cobatants do! GHD All in fun folks!! J.I.M.S. if you want too!! GHD

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Originally posted by 30378:
But you guys are overlooking the efficiency and cost of using the ctg. Geeez, as much as we have talked about this type of stuff!!

You are right, it IS efficient. This is actually the truth...in the mid 1960s I married a girl who claimed she was 5'-1" tall, but actually wasn't a fraction of an inch over 4'11". Her first gun all her own was a .25ACP Colt Jr. I ought her at Mashburn's Gun Shop (he of the "Mashburn Bee" fame) in Oklahoma City. I still have it, and his signed payment receipt, in the original box.

She shot that gun an awfully lot and became an extremely good shot with it. She could easily pick off empty shotgun shells at 25 yards with it.

As we were college students for the first several years she owned the gun, I reloaded her ammo. Used 0.8 gr. of Alcan Nike and the standard 50 gr. jacketed RN .251" diameter bullets. Bought 5,000 bullets in bulk for about $15. Still have about 900 of them down in the shop. The other 4,100 she shot up all by her lonesome.

Yep, 45 years later I still haven't used anywhere near a full pound of powder loading for her pistol, and still have almost 1,000 bullets left from that original purchase.

Efficient it is, and I wouldn't want her trying to shoot me with it, either!

As AB's story illustrates, the tiny carbon footprint of the .25 ACP is truly admirable. We should promote it as one of the "greenest" cartridges available. If Hotcore had used it to shoot his "thousands of whitetails", just think how much smaller his environmental impact would have been. Why, I'll bet that fully one-half of the atmosphereric carbon dioxide present in the Southeastern United States is a result of Hot Core's voluminous burning of smokeless powder in killing "thousands of deer"!

Most of the time I can hit deer with my .25ACP if I can manage to stick the gun in their ear. As I get older, this becomes more difficult on running shots. So to take advantage of the long range potential of this fine round, I want to mount a scope. The scope being longer than the gun is a concern. So I have an idea floating around in my head that I want to run by you and get your thoughts. I am going to get a blank rifle stock (it is blank in that it contains no rifle---not one for shooting blank cartridges--this is the real deal). The scope will be mounted to the stock. The pistol mounted to the scope thus the pistol will be upside down with the handle pointed up. It would be difficult to impossible to operate the trigger in that configuration. So I will mount a trigger on the stock and have a rod that runs up and connects to the pistol trigger. This connection would not feel nor look right if it were a ridgid connection. So on the end of the rod I will mount this fake swollen thumb from a halloween costume. The thumb will be filled with gelatin to give it a fleshy feel. One very obvious advantage to this system will be that the magazine is pointed up and is out of the way, but could be harder to remove. I will get a spare magazine and epoxy the spare to the bottom of the magazine---bottoms to bottoms. That way in rapid fire situations I can reach up and grab ahold of the spare remove it and turn it over and keep firing. During slack period I can reload the spare while it is still in the gun. Here is where I need some technical help. Will my scope adjustments operate backwards? In other words will up be up or will it be down? If backwards where could I find backwards marked adjustments? I'd hate to shoot over the buck of a lifetime on a close 800 yard shot.

Alberta Canuck you are hijacking my thread. You bring up issue that needs either legal resolve or perhaps Dr Phil. Certainly no place on a .25ACP thread. Your wife missrepresented herself as 5'1" but is really 4"11'. You only got 96.7% of what you bargained for--ripped off. You need to get this resolved so you can remain on topic.

I think you could mount the pistol upside down only if it's controlled feed.

Just about the time you started hassling your wife about her height, she might bring up the old joke about "he said, I thought, can you imagine."

Alberta Canuck--Even if this is way off topic and has no place in this thread, I feel I must warn you. If you consider suing because your wife is short---now I am in no may implying this might be your case---but there have been cases where the wife countersued over shortness issues.

you think AC hijacked the thread? If memory serves correct; about 40 years ago in I believe the Silver Lake area of LA, During an attempted rape, a gal shot the attempting rapist several time with a 25 auto. This pissed off the guy and he took the gun away from her and shot her a couple of times. They both left the hospital very much alive. roger

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
As AB's story illustrates, the tiny carbon footprint of the .25 ACP is truly admirable. We should promote it as one of the "greenest" cartridges available. If Hotcore had used it to shoot his "thousands of whitetails", just think how much smaller his environmental impact would have been. Why, I'll bet that fully one-half of the atmosphereric carbon dioxide present in the Southeastern United States is a result of Hot Core's voluminous burning of smokeless powder in killing "thousands of deer"!

I like it

Wasbeeman---I had overlooked the need for controlled round feed and am having to re-do all my thinking. You are correct--that feature would be a must and I can find no place that offers a conversion kit. One work around I can think of is to shoot it while standing on my head. This would work except for one thing. That spare magazine would now stick in the ground. I do have a spare foot from a back hoe stabilizer I could mount onto the magazine--but it would make reloading difficult. If my scope adjustments had been backwards---would they now work correctly and all the work I did getting them marked for the other configuration need to be reworked? Much serious brainstorming needs to be done here--sure hope someone doesnt go interrupting all the cognitive developments with some drivel about a wife being too short. Hate it when that happens.

bartsche--Thanks for bringing up that on topic case of the attempted Silver Lake rape. The key word is "ATTEMPTED". The rape didn't happen which is a testimony of the effectiveness of this fine round.

Can't believe the big 25 has not been mentioned in the Terminal Bullet Performance thread. In phone-book penetration tests, I have driven a vintage 84' FMJ as far as the r's.

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In phone-book penetration tests, I have driven a vintage 84' FMJ as far as the r's.

Did you start at the "Q"s?

Legal in WA
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2009.pdf

Modern Firearm Regulations

Rifles:

Big game, except cougar, must be hunted with a minimum of 24 caliber (6mm) centerfire rifle. Cougar may be hunted with 22 caliber centerfire rifle. Rimfire rifles are not legal for big game.

Handguns:

Big game, except cougar, may be hunted with handguns with a minimum barrel length of 4 inches per manufacturers specification, and fire a minimum 24 caliber centerfire cartridge. Cougar may be hunted with 22 caliber centerfire handgun. Rimfire handguns are not legal for big game.

I'm not going to wade through this thread.

25 ACP has LESS muzzle energy than a modern 22 LR.

States which allow handgun hunting typically specify a minimum caliber, and 25 ACP ain't it.

22 LR may be .223" dia. but it's NOT "centerfire."

25 ACP may be "centerfire" but it's not a "rifle caliber."

The short answer is "NO" . . .

The longer answer is "NO fuggin' way!"

I was talking to a guy in a gun shop today and he showed me a scar on the back of his neck. He said that someone had shot him with a 25 ACP and that the bullet had hit his neck bone and just stopped.
If that story is true I don't think that the 25 would be a very effective hunting round.
Regards, Keith

I would use a .22 LR on deer. I would not use a .25 ACP.

Inquiring minds want to know: are we talking softs or solids?

Rich

Idaho Sharpshooter--Soft or solids?? Did they take viagra?

Split Partition for .25ACP?? Why?? That's way overkill. Nosler is getting as bad as Roy Weatherbee in the overkill dept.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
I heard a rumor that Nosler is developing a partition bullet just for the .25ACP. That would really increase its effectiveness on deer and elk.

They should come out with an E-tip bullet too so there's less environmental impact after a day out shooting the PD's

There are already plenty of high quality bullets out there for the .25ACP that can be used on any game---to include dangerous game, EXCEPT silver bullets for werewolves. Could be the reason for this is that the ultra stopping power of the .25ACP precludes the necessity of silver bullets--even on werewolves.

Darn! and I was going to start a thread to see if you all thought my 5MM Sheridan was adequate for brown bear.

Blacktailer---How old is your Sheridan? On the RIGHT side of the receiver is it drilled and tapped for a receiver(peep) sight? On the left side there is a cover but this is for bolt removal--this is not the one I'm talking about. If not drilled, it is an older model and I'm told they have more power than the newer ones. I'm talking drilled from the factory--it could have been drilled later on. If it is older, it would be marginal at best and require premium pellets. Might be better to get a .25ACP.

25ACP is too loud, I use 22 CB caps.

JD338

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Blacktailer---How old is your Sheridan? On the RIGHT side of the receiver is it drilled and tapped for a receiver(peep) sight? On the left side there is a cover but this is for bolt removal--this is not the one I'm talking about. If not drilled, it is an older model and I'm told they have more power than the newer ones. I'm talking drilled from the factory--it could have been drilled later on. If it is older, it would be marginal at best and require premium pellets. Might be better to get a .25ACP.

Mine is the older one. It does not have a receiver sight as I prefer open sights for dangerous game. With solids I'm thinking 5 pumps ought to do the trick.

Like most posters here.... I have NOT killed any deer with my trusty 25ACP.

Mine is a Belgium made Browning. After faithfully resting on my Grandmother's nightstanding for 35 years....it is finally MINE!!

Having shot a full clip through this beauty, I can tell you that it will completely shoot thru an empty tin can.... Nuff Said

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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In phone-book penetration tests, I have driven a vintage 84' FMJ as far as the r's.

Did you start at the "Q"s?

Vapo -

Don't you know here are only 11 folks in Daphne, Alabama with phones? Most of them have the same last name, "Tyler".

blacktailer---A guy I know has a newer Sheridan and he said at 8 pumps he can still see the pellet. I cant see em with mine after 4 pumps, which is what I use. This is on starlings and sparrows. If a grizz wanders through I'll pump more of course I'll have my .25ACP as back up. BTW I like the peeps on mine and hit about as many sparrows with it as I do a much more expensive air rifle with a high dollar scope on it.

in a twist of fate, the 25 ACP IS legal to hunt with in Texas .. its center, and if not in a full auto gun, that makes it legal .. even the 14s are legal here.

I too have not killed many trillons of deer with a 25ACP, though that wouldn't stop me from trying to blow smoke ... in fact, i have not killed every turkey in texas, nor have i done any wing shooting into floocks of 1,000 . its on my top 2 lists of rounds that i have not killed my game with ....

I did some bologna penetration tests .. while crosswise was expecting to much, it can stick in the 3, sometimes make it to the 4th, 1/8" thick slice

please consider the source, and if the guy hasn't not killed billions....