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fantastic! If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Update for anyone thinking about goin poor mans route, the zastava rifles are again available under the EAA Z98 name, 600$. Synthetic stocks. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Cool man! We should number the rifles in order of production by stamping the barrel or something. 404-375 HH serial number 1 ect. See how high it goes. This thread can serve as the 404-375 numbers registry =) "This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me." 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I think I'm going to try and snag one of the EAA's. Gander has nothing in 375 in their inventory (used) across the nation and the only other option is a CZ or wait for the Win. Update on that as well, they are IN the system at Gander!! So they will be happening this summer. However prices look like they're actually going to be right at or above MSRP, especially since a re-intro and they'll command a premium from most places unfortunately. I wanted the shorter barrel anyways lol Boom I like the numbered rifle idea. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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I hope to be number 3 or 4  It would be good to document the process of a barrel swap and a rebore. Rebore seems to be the best and easiest but as long as you get there. Hoooa!
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I wonder if we should petition CZ to make it a custom order like the 550 magnum is so people have an option to not have to convert rifles. Plop down $1,500 and go shooting. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I like the way you fellows think.  Still waiting for a reply from Mr. Kiff. He may be busy,I'll wait until maybe Wednesday and if I do not hear anything I may give him a call. Oscar | |||
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Hey all After we "Fix" the 375 HH we can "Fix" the 375 flanged lol. Same concept but more expensive. It would be just as classy and pretty.   577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Thats a nice idea! Have a Ruger #1, maybe with a custom 26" barrel and a top grade 3x9 scope and you might have a very interesting Bigbore that can reach out and touch something. Oscar | |||
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400 @ 2150+ like the 450/400 Anyone want to rebore their 375 flanged double?  Maybe a second set of barrels.Would make for a trim big bore double. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Dang it Boom! You are the instigator extraordinaire!!!! I already mentioned the 375 H&H No. 1 at the LGS on the used rack lol. Its 899 but I know I'd get it for less  If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Lol I guess you could chamber the 404-375 hh first then when you get your bolt action chamber the 404/375 Flanged later  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Of interesting note I don't think there is a rimmed 404 out there. Anyone can you tell me what 98 grains capacity with a 400 grain bullet will do at 47,000 PSI? I think the 375 Rimmed is 47K PSI. I see it like this. A .423" 400 @ 2150 in a NE rimmed case is pretty cool and would be a gentle recoiling DG shooting cart. Another gentleman's hunting round but this one rimmed. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomy, Do you think there would be a problem sizing down the Hornady .430 to .423? I resize .411s to .408, but I haven't tried what you suggested. I seems it would be a good source of inexpensive bullets for my 404J. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Rusty... Only 7 thou diff so I dont see why these 300 grainers won't be able to squish down and fly out at over 2600 fps for deer to beer cans. 
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Update, Dave Kiff will be returning on Monday.On Tuesday I will confirm the request for the print to be made and sent for approval before making the reamers. As soon as I receive the print,I will post it for consideration and when all agree to the specifications I will proceed with the order. Oscar | |||
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Resize .430 to .423 HELL YA I resize .375 to .366 all the time to get 235 grain bullets. I do it in a push through sizer in 2 steps. A lot of guys do it in one step. There is a little bounce back so mine are really .367. John  Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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Hello All, I was just perusing through Midways line up of .44 cal. bullets to check out their selection. Of the 300 grainers other than BoomSticks Hornady There is the Nosler hollow point:  The Sierra soft point:  And the Speer soft point,this bullet I use in my Ruger 44 & 45's both 300 gr. and I can say they are very strong bullets:  Next is basically FMJ bullets,first Sierras 250 gr.:  And Hornady's 240 gr. version.These are also pretty tough and could be used to punch through without damaging a hide if so desired:  Dropping down a little in weight is Speer's 270 gr. Gold dot:  Hornady's 265 gr. soft point:  And the most interesting for last,Hornady's 265 gr. spitzer soft point:  This looks like a interesting candidate for long range shooting.If 2900 fps can be attained and the jacket can hold at that speed along with the hope that the twist rate will be suitable for these bullet weights this may be a stellar performer ( I know that is allot of ifs ). I ran this bullet through Hornady's ballistic calculator at 2900 fps ,70 deg. with a BC of .225 at a 200 yard zero and got: O - 1.5" 100 +2.0" 200 0" 300 -9.7"..........That is not too bad. All of these bullets are at the 15.00 a box of 50 range.The Hornady Spitzer is a little more at 27.00 per 50.This is stiil pretty cheap shooting for a big bore rifle. Oscar | |||
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Boom are you referring to the 375 Flanged Magnum Nitro Express? Same case length and shape just opened up to .423 caliber? Just in case you were… .404-.375 Flanged Magnum Nitro Express Pmax: 47137 psi / 3250 bar Case Length: 2.940” / 74.68mm Cartridge Length: 3.800” / 96.52mm Maximum Case Capacity: 105.5grs Bullet Used: .423 387gr FN 105 GS Custom Usable Case Capacity: 87.9grs Barrel Length: 26.0” / 610mm Possible Reloading Data: ADI AR 2206H: 71.0grs – 87.6% fill – 99.34 % Propellant Burnt = 2246fps & 4334ft-lbs @ 46910 psi / = 684 m/s & 5876 Joule @ 3234 bar Accurate 2495: 72.5grs – 94.6% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2322fps & 4633ft-lbs @ 46998 psi / = 708 m/s & 6281 Joule @ 3240 bar Alliant Reloder-12: 71.0grs – 85.9% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2266fps & 4413ft-lbs @ 46946 psi / = 691 m/s & 5983 Joule @ 3237 bar Hodgdon H335: 72.0grs – 81.4% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2300fps & 4544ft-lbs @ 46776 psi / = 701 m/s & 6161 Joule @ 3225 bar IMR 3031: 70.5grs – 93.0% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2329fps & 4662ft-lbs @ 46610 psi / = 710 m/s & 6320 Joule @ 3214 bar Norma 202: 72.2grs – 90.5% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2302fps & 4554ft-lbs @ 46919 psi / = 702 m/s & 6174 Joule @ 3235 bar Ramshot X-Terminator: 68.5grs – 78.9% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2279fps & 4461ft-lbs @ 46700 psi / = 694 m/s & 6049 Joule @ 3220 bar Vihtavuori N540: 76.0grs – 92.7% fill – 100.0 % Propellant Burnt = 2304fps & 4561ft-lbs @ 46624 psi / = 702 m/s & 6184 Joule @ 3215 bar Edit – Powder Added Somchem S321: 74.5grs – 85.4% fill – 99.85 % Propellant Burnt = 2307fps & 4572ft-lbs @ 46225 psi / = 703 m/s & 6198 Joule @ 3187 bar Hope this is what you wanted. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Capoward, That looks like some excellent load data we could use for the standard .404-.375 also. Thankyou Sir. Oscar | |||
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You're quite welcome Oscar. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Excelent results for 47k PSI. Thanks Capo! 400 grains @ 2150 to 2300 would make this quite the efficient cart for the size! 375 flanged magnum doubles are quite compact. Thanks again Capo!
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It does show excellent results and definitely would make a nice handling DR and is a perfect design for modern bore rider monometals. Would also be easy to remake your ammo in Africa should you be the atypical hunter and have your ammunition lost in transit. And because of that possibility I also added a Somchem loading above…it’s repeated as follows: Edit – Powder Added Somchem S321: 74.5grs – 85.4% fill – 99.85 % Propellant Burnt = 2307fps & 4572ft-lbs @ 46225 psi / = 703 m/s & 6198 Joule @ 3187 bar Would also make a nice round for a Ruger #1 for the single shot folks. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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I've neen monitoring this thread as I have a Ruger Safari Magnum in 375 H&H I could convert. Has there been any progress on production of a reamer print? Cliff NRA Life Member CMP Distinguished Rifleman NRA Master, Short and Long Range | |||
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Well thanks for making yourself known  The more the merrier in team 404-375 I have been waiting with expectation as well to the news on the reamer print. How is it going Oscar? Aint she a beauty!  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Well thanks for making yourself known The more the merrier in team 404-375 I have been waiting with expectation as well to the news on the reamer print. How is it going Oscar? Aint she a beauty! Yes, indeed. It is one of those ideas that makes so much sense that you have to wonder why it has not been done before. I suppose it could be due to the potential for negative outcomes in reboring and the wait time involved. Is there a consensus on who might be best for performing a rebore? I suppose another option could be a barrel liner. I'm not sure about the pros and cons of that.... Cliff NRA Life Member CMP Distinguished Rifleman NRA Master, Short and Long Range | |||
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Hello All, I apologize for the delay, I had a situation at work that had to be dealt with and took most of my time for the last few weeks. All is settled now and I will be calling for arrangements for the reamers Friday afternoon. I will post in the evening with the status. Oscar. | |||
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Hi Oscar! Would be great to see the reamer print if you get it. Thanks! Are you ordering the two reamer set? (rough and finish) to make the FL resizing die? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Hello All, I talked to Kathleen today and depending on Mr. Kiff's work load he will be sending the print to me via E-mail as soon as tonight or at the latest Monday. As soon as I receive it I will post it here directly. I'm starting to look forward to having one of these built. Oscar | |||
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Hi Boom, I'll keep the prints up for a week or so and if everything looks good I will have the set made for the chamber & dies. We might as well get everything right the first time around. Oscar | |||
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I just received an E-mail from Pacific.They will send the print Monday. So I hope to have the plans posted by Monday evening Eastern time. Oscar | |||
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Thanks for the update! I guess when one of us needs the reamer we will just pay you a fee for it. I love it when a good idea here brings people together. The 404-375 will be another great wildcat born here on AR! 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Hi Boom, As far as the reamer, we'll figure out something once it happens. Anyone that belongs to the forum will get a crack at it if they want to. Oscar | |||
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I am excited to see how many people rebore their useless 375 HH's  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Hello, Mr. Kiff was kind enough to send the print today.Unfortunately I may have not clarified our desires well enough.I sent an explanation along with excerpts of several members suggestions with link attachments to the forum. What I received is referenced as a .423-.375 improved or basically a .424 OKH. I will contact him this week and try to give a more detailed explanation of our desires along with pictures. Oscar | |||
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Oscar you have a PM. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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PM returned Sir, Thankyou | |||
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You're quite welcome. Email sent with reamer print...hope it'll work. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Capo...We should get him on the phone to clarify things and to skip a lot of back and forth. Want to arrange a conference call? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boom, I just finished corresponding with Oscar regarding the reamer print. Oscar now has a reamer print in PT&G format for a belted straight case without shoulder. I think it better to wait a day or two for Dave to respond to Oscar's print. But if you'd like, perhaps a conference call on Tuesday? Also, I can post the draft print here in this thread for review and comments if you guys want me to. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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