what is the best 35 whelen equiv. in a smaller package? smaller package meaning 308 size gun.

i know there is the 35 wapiti (358 in a wsm case) but you lose a round...

is there a 35 whelen equiv in a smaller action? yes there is the 358 win but i am thinking of a full power version in the same rig...



the 8x57 or 8mm mauser with 10 thou body taper necked to .358 should about equal the whelen in case volume (i think)

there is a 9x57 i know but it is a .356 and not a .358

if it has a 45 degree shoulder it just might equal the whelen i.m.o.

is there a better route without losing one down?

Boomy,
let's start with "what is a 35 whelen"... factory loads, decidedly anemic, are for the remington pump actions, and federal defines a 35 whelen as a 225 at 2525.

which is a top load for a 358 winchester, and must be anemicly loaded in the 35 whelen.

the 9x57 shoots .358 bullets perfectly fine.

so, if you want 225 at 2500, and short, 358 winchester...

if you want more, you must add cubic inches (grains)


tanstaafl
jeffe

i think 270@2450 is perfect for the 358...

maybe the 35-wsm is the only way in a short action.

hmmm...i wonder if the 358 win blr can be opened up to a 358 wsm? it would be better to use a 325 wsm instead i am sure...

Perhaps a 35-284 will work. You'll likely end up with a four round gun rather than a five, but that's better than a three.

yes, that should do 270@2450 i think. thanks johnly...should be a chamber cleaner too.

350 rem mag. Factory round, and Ruger makes a fine one. Mine shoots



I haven't chronied the load (59 gr Varget, Sierra 225, fed 210, col 2.875") but I'm guestimating 2650-2700 fps. Actually the pic is of the 57 gr load, the 59 gr load is this one.

so i guess the 358 blr can be rechambered to 35-284 with no other mods but get 3 down instead of 4.

hmmm...

paul...

that would be against my belt religion

rebates are not kosher either...

paul...

when the ruger brass comes out make my 35 wildcat which is a 2.1" version necked to 358...

it should get 125 to 150 more fps over the 35 rem mag

just a chamber cleaner!

Boomstick, there must be something in the air out there in the peoples republic of caleefoneea

nah, just dont want to think about work or my problems

For some reason I thought this was in the medium bore thread, not the wildcat forum, it's a Monday!

Get a ruger and have it poked 358 WSM. You get rid of the belt and can launch 250's 2700 fps. Ruger used their WSM configured action, so 0 feed work. It doesn't get any easier, no bolt to open, no rail work to do.

I think my results will also defray any concerns about accuracy

All you have to do is back off a few grs on the max loads to get whelen equivalent performance.

I have a friend that built a 35/284 and he did not get whelen level loads, it was midway between a 358 win and 35 whelen.

I have a 35/284 on a Ruger short action. Whelan performance is possible with the lighter bullets but not with the longer,heavier ones. Mine weighs about 6 1/4 lb. and recoil will get your attention. Mark

35WSM will out perform either the 350rem or 35x284 (essentially the same capacity 68 and 72gr while the 350 jamsion has 84) .. and is "only" .018 larger in diameter than the belt of the 350rem. But the 35 whelen has 70.5 gr of capacity...

there's no flies on the 358 winchester.. and if you haven't shot full house loads of 358 in a blr, you REALLY shouldn't be looking for more recoil...
jeffe

great wisdom as usual el jeffe...

i think with minimal taper on the 284 it should equal case volume of the 35 whelen...

2700fps with a 250grn? Nothing wrong there boom! Unless you come across an improbable "pack" of Grizz, you'll not be needing too many rounds. I've been hunting with 3 at the utmost, usually only with one down and one loaded. My reasoning? Bigger than 338 and you start smacking the rounds below into the front of the magazine.
The right 358 250 grn bullet @ 2700fps is more than enough for virtually anything.

torque...

i was just brainstorming of a way to push 270 gr north forks @ 2450 in a short action gun. it seems a 35-284 will do it. and without a belt

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...?r=98110769#98110769

this thread had some good reports...

35 WSM could easily be adapted to the BLR, just get any of the rifles chambered for a WSM and do a re-barrel or re-bore if its possible. Them all you would need is a chamber reaming, mag would work fine with no modifications as well as the bolt face.

Dont know if the bolt face of a WSM is the same as the .308 class of cartridges, but the detachable mags makes that an easy thing to deal with.

I have thought about doing my .358 BLR into the 35 WSM but my Savage 110 in 35 Whelen would do for the bigger critters and yes i was looking at the 270gr NF @ 2450fps it should do real well

Boom,

Fullfill a dream, and cut off that belt on the .350RemMag!

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Originally posted by boom stick:
torque...

i was just brainstorming of a way to push 270 gr north forks @ 2450 in a short action gun. it seems a 35-284 will do it. and without a belt

I agree 270 @ 2450 would be wonderful, but I dont' think the 284 case is big enough for that much velocity. A friend built one and is hardpressed to push 250's that fast, figure 270's will be a good 200 fps slower.

Seriously, just get the Ruger 350 rem mag and have it poked out to 358 WSM. It is the absolute easiest way to go, and you'll have more than enough case capacity even for the 310 woodleighs, and with a 1-12 twist barrel, enough stability to shoot the 310's. The ruger is almost even heavy enough for full patch loads.

I've been half tempted to buy another ruger 350 just to do that.

yeah that is a great idea...and i do want to push heavy bullets...

now the debate over a 35 wsm vs 35 newton

so the prevailing wisdom is keep the 35-284 under 225 grain bullets or go with the shorter 338 cal bullets...

Boom stick...your proposal makes sense..but what about your idea of the venerable .35 Newton?
P.O. Ackley praised that shortish, fat case as about optimum for the .35 bore. It a bit longer than your idea, but not much. Now that Jamison is making new .35 Newton brass, it seems a good way to go. Harry McGowen of McGowen barrels has chambered for .35 Newton & has the reamer for it.
Aloha,
Tom

W.B.

i was thinking of a short action 35...

the 35 newton will be the best/easiest with the new brass but i was thinking of a featherweight short action rifle but for heavy bullets the 35 wsm seems to be the best way.

aloha 2 u 2

look no further than the 350 Rem Mag...I had one of the new Ruger 77's....it would shoot 250 Grand Slams out of the 22" barrel at 2650....62 grs of Rel 15. I'm awaiting the arrival of my 35 cal barrel to screw into my stainless Rem 700 action that came from a 300SAUM..it'll go into an LVSF stock with the BDL bottom metal....goal is a 22" 350 Mag at 7-1/2 lbs max weight...I think this will do it. My 9 lb 35 Whelen my sit a lot after I get this one finished....:-)

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/PDF/NewProducts/KM77FRTG_MKII-A-S.pdf

great candidate for a 35-284/35 wsm

small and light package with a 35 barrel to boot. (drool)

Boomie,
the Newton case is only about .010-.015" smaller in diameter than the 375 Ruger, and it will be headstamped 35 Newton. You could shorten it to fit, and still have the right data on the rim for your purposes.

Rich

Boom,
If you don't like belts or rebated rims, how about shortening a 376 Steyr case? Its got a tad more case capacity than a 284 (even when trimmed to 2.1"), no belt and is rimless.

I've done this in my 416 VVC encore pistol-I can use either 45-70 brass or trimmed 376 Steyr brass.

got my 350 Rem Mag finished...almost...have to beadblast the barrel....stainless 700 BDL short action in an LVSF stock with 2.5-8X Leupold...weighs 7# 5ounces.
If it will push 250's to 2600+ like the Ruger M77 that I had we'll good to go....will find out in the spring...

Nice, rembo! Thats a great lookin' bear/moose rig! I like the 350 Rem Mag.

Cheers,
Canuck

Lets just face the facts. There is no 35 Whelen equivalent in a smaller package.

The 350 Rem Mag, does not handle heavy bullets unless soecuakkt buit on an action to take cartridges longer than standard OAL for the 35 Rem Mag.

Every thing else suggested does not equal the 35 Whelen.

Am I missing something here?

Barstooler

from what i understand the 350 rem can be loaded to higher preasures...ihat gives it an edge or at least even. am i wrong???

A wildcat forum and nobody has suggested the 35RSAUM
Cheers...
Con

Both the 350 rem mag and the 35 whelen can be loaded to higher pressures if one wishes. Probably your only way to have significantly more power from a short action is to use the wsm case.

I necked up a bunch of 300 Short RUM brass to 358... It may not be a true Red Mister but it sure is cute and little..But with ,dare we imagine ,, near 358 Norma ballistics.. Has any one wildcatted the WSM or SRUM case up and if so what are the actual chronographed velocities ???? gumboot out

gumboot,
The 35WSM when done in Ozzieland was approx 70fps behind the 358Norma ... knock another say 50fps off and you should be good. Its damn tempting but I think a 303/35 will become my next .35cal plaything.
Cheers...
Con

"Had" a .358/.284 built on a rechambered BLR .358...son appropriated/stole/borrowed it some years ago. Loved the rifle, but Jeffeoso is right about the recoil with maximum loads. Had a lot of fun shooting 158gr JSP pistol bullets at jack rabbits. Worked well, also, on small whitetail deer. Here in Colorado, if we can't stop it with a 225gr, it must have escaped from the zoo or the circus.
Hmmm, might have to go to his home for a visit when he's at work and ask his wife for the key to the rifle cabinet.

I thought about a 35 WSM, and one could easily make one by getting the Ruger 350 rem mag and simply having it re-chambered. Ruger used their wsm sized action (in regards to feed rails and follower) for the 350. That said, after shooting my 350 rem mag a bit, I really don't think I want another 200 fps in a light rifle. And if your not building a light rifle, the WSM doesn't make much sense.