the 405 win has the same rim as the 404 jeffery...

it would be kinda neet to make a 2.5" 404 based 411 dia wildcat so the only 1895 winchester change is the chamber...

using 404 brass in 450-400 forming dies and trimming at 2.58 would work...

now THAT would be some lion medicine!




any potential issues???

it should do 400's @ 2300

Hmmmmm.........will the fit in the magazine? Me thinks not......?

The maximum diameter of the 404 Jeffery case is about .544", the 1895 magazine will not handle this dimension except near the rim.

that is what i dont have...the inside dimensions of the magazine...anyone want to measure???maybe i will have to refine this idea

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Originally posted by boom stick:
that is what i dont have...the inside dimensions of the magazine...anyone want to measure???maybe i will have to refine this idea

Ask Z-Hat. He's done a few 1895 conversions.

Hmmmmmm....maxing out the 1895 winnie??
I have an nice old 1895 Russian which I have
"maxed" out to take a 45-2.6" shell.

I started out with leaving the rim diameter..but realized if i needed more "firepower" than two rounds in the magazine + not altering the bolt..the rim had to be turned down to the original diameter of the russian cartridge.

I can/have loaded 400grain bullets up to little over 2300 ft/sec. It extracts smoothly, no sighn of overpressure. If single loaded with 500 grain bullets I am sure it can duplicate the
.450 Nitro or .458 Winchester.

I wanted to begin with have started with the
50-110 WCF in the 1895 win...but tooooo many problems + to the almost impossible conversion arised. If i should find a 1895 win again in
30-06 a 9.3x62 should be fun.

If one day I should think of a funny project..
i wouldn`t mind spend $15-20k on finding a good toolmaker to make up a 1895 win frame that could handle a .50cal rimmed shell or .577 cal perhaps....

Good luck Boomie

I'd call it .508 at the front and 3.22ish" COL

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Originally posted by boom stick:
that is what i dont have...the inside dimensions of the magazine...anyone want to measure???maybe i will have to refine this idea

so the 411x64 improved is the largest in the unchanged magazine?

i dont ave the creativity to name that cart right now...411???

The 376 Steyr makes the most sense as a starting point. It fits and the OAL is appropriate.

maybe the 45-90 or 45-100 might be a better case to start with since it seems would fit...about 45 thou biggercasehead is a big diff. necked to 411 and the rims turned down to the 405 size and get the 405 win donor action to do 400@ 2150 within reasonable preasure

Thinking along the same lines Boom Stick was in this thread--

and looking for further thoughts

here--

http://forums.accuratereloadin...8721043/m/5191042921

Ok…new Miroku manufacture M1895 Winchester. I do have one question, is the internal magazine length manufactured specific to the factory chambered cartridge?

The reason I ask because if the M1895 Winchester magazine length is 3.22ish” internal length, which is appropriate for the 405 Winchester’ CIP/SAAMI 3.175” cartridge overall length, it will be too short for the 270 Winchester/30-06 cartridges. They both have CIP/SAAMI of 3.340” cartridge overall length specification which would indicate a 3.370”-3.4” internal length magazine.

So if the desire is to keep the current 405 Winchester barrel (for a .411” bullet diameter) then a simple solution is to re-chamber solution to the 40 Newton. It was as actually produced (four rifles) using the .411 groove dimension. The factory shoulder diameter will fit within the magazine constraints but the internal magazine length might need to be opened up to accommodate a 3.340” cartridge overall length.

Quality Cartridge is already setup to generate the correctly headstamped brass. Pete can use the current Hornady’ 375 Ruger Basic Brass to generate the appropriate dimensioned headstamped cases.

You should be able to hit 2300fps with a 400gr bullet from a 22” barrel while staying under 61K psi (less than the CIP/SAAMI Pmax for the 270 Win/30-06 cartridges).

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
Hmmmmmm....maxing out the 1895 winnie??
If i should find a 1895 win again in
30-06 a 9.3x62 should be fun.

FYI
The Mod. 95 30-06 I had could not handle modern loadings very good. The lever was hard to open and all of the cases had to be full length resized every time. The action seemed to allow a lot of stretch at some what higher than turn of the centry working pressures. The Mod. 71 might be a step up. roger

capoward

My current non-TD has been accepting (hot) 405 loads to 3.21 with out function issues.

The Newton was/is a consideration- I was attempting to avoid as much extractor modification as possible for a possible 30-40AI front-end later.

bartsche

My 270 1895 Miroku (non-TD) has had no problems you mention, I neck size and get good case life.

A friend has a .50 Alaskan on a Browning 71, nice gun.(I built a couple on Siamese Mausers , years back.)

I prefer the 1895 and pointy bullets.

(I have PM'd Jens with respect to his .45-100-2.6", and his conversion experience.)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
capoward


My 270 1895 Miroku (non-TD) has had no problems you mention, I neck size and get good case life.
)[/QUOTE
Held the Mod. 95 in high regard till I had the problems. Could have been just the rifle . Hard to say what the history was of that rifle. This was in the 60s and I was looking into getting a good Elk rifle I could depend on for a reasonable price.Settled on a bolt action 30-06 of some make that escapes me now. We called it meat getter. roger

bartsche,
I have read several accounts as to where the older M95 had problems in 30-06 because of it's higher pressure.
Supposedly the new Miroku's do not.
I would provide link's but can't remember where I read it. I would think Z-Hat would have the true skinny on this..

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
capoward

My current non-TD has been accepting (hot) 405 loads to 3.21 without function issues.

The Newton was/is a consideration- I was attempting to avoid as much extractor modification as possible for a possible 30-40AI front-end later.

DB,

I looks like you need to stay with one of the wildcats based off the -06 case, such as a correctly chambered .400 Whelen, a .400 Brown Whelen, or perhaps a .411 Hawk; all three use .411” diameter bullets. I believe there are -06 based wildcats using .423”, .435”, and .444” bullet diameters but I don’t recollect their names nor do I know if Quality Cartridge manufactures correctly headstamped brass for them.

Good luck!

get an m71 -- rebarrel to 450 alaskan