ACCURATERELOADING.COM AFRICA HUNTING REPORT FORUM

Page 1 2 3 4 5 

Moderators: T.Carr
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Is it always the Outfitters Fault
 Login/Join
 
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Let me try explain better as I did clear this with the wild life office director in tanzania, each client buys a licence which allows him to harvest certain species and volumes per species,theoreticaly speaking they could have hunted 5 buffalo as this is what was on licence to hunt, 3 on father 2 on sons permit, they shot 2 buffalo of 5 on licence,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
To be clear... Day one we saw a bushpig. The PH, Pascal Coudert, a professional and likeable chap, checked the gamescouts list..no bushpig! He looked again, NO BUFFALO!!..so we sent a vehicle on a 10 hour round trip to get the trophy list sorted out..surely a clerical error?? There was only one list!! not two. No AJ list, So WWH/JKH your lafest posts are news to us!! GOB and others...Think thats just a "wink/nod few bucks problem solved!"? Few of you posters with US passports should consider Lacey Act.. Last buff in area were four years before.
 
Posts: 48 | Location: australia | Registered: 24 March 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Marlin, to help those of us who are trying to follow this issue, please give us a yes or no answer:
1. did you (or your son) shoot the animals that JK alleges you did?
2. did you pay the trophy fees for those animals?
3. did you have to pay the costs of relocating from one area to another?

Thank you
JCHB
 
Posts: 428 | Location: KZN province South Africa | Registered: 24 July 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
jchb. Go back to start of BOTH threads, read slowly and carefully..take your time!
 
Posts: 48 | Location: australia | Registered: 24 March 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by johnnomarlin:
jchb. Go back to start of BOTH threads, read slowly and carefully..take your time!


So you shot what you wanted but it was a circus because you had to move areas so you didn't pay the outfitter for the trophies because you were pissed off and he has not taken you up on the fishing offer which makes up the balance of the hunt fee? In a nutshell?
JCHB
 
Posts: 428 | Location: KZN province South Africa | Registered: 24 July 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
JKHunter:

Ref. GHP 0029492.

1. Slight misrepresentation of client's address
which shows Arusha instead of Australia. Not
too much of a big deal but may create a buzz
at exportation time - easily resolved ($$).

2. AJ shot nothing on his permit - that is what
shows and it is quite likely that this permit
might even be back dated. It is however null
and void as it stands.

3. The buffalo (and anything else) that AJ shot
off his old man's permit was therefore
illegal.
 
Posts: 2731 | Registered: 23 August 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
fujotupu

I would readily argue that this permit is null and void, as i have checked my case and the legality of the permit with the Tanzania wildlife office law department, as son shot buffalo and is shipped to same address as father and was not more than quota on fathers licence the scout and PH just filled in the fathers licence, I have checked this and have affidavit from department showing its vitality,

As they stated to me there interested in the money paid over for second permit, and that there was no additional quota shot above the limits on the one permit,

I am sure that you are technically correct, but as I have stated it is has been excepted by wildlife office,

I am sure you will still have an issue,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
JCHB

No that is not correct, the fishing was only part payment, even if we had to zero the fishing owed which is valued at $22 500

He would still owe around $20 000 in trophy fees,

I am glad he keeps mentioning that I did not take him up on the fishing as this is going to bite him hard, on 2 occasions I tried to contact him to set up the fishing, the first being a letter from me, the second being a legal letter asking him to confirm that the fishing was on,
Neither was answered by him,
So by him insinuating the fishing deal was always on he has hooked himself solidly,

I have no interest in fishing with him and would gladly loose the $22 500 if he paid the outstanding trophy fee account,
This offer has been rejected by him already,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Let me guess these are also incorrect or forged?

So here is the answer to the questions regarding the fact that the animals were hunted and that there were export papers issued and certified with the permits
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Justin..are you the agent now, or the outfitter? as you bignoted yourself? The 'Man with the Plan".. here's my deal to johnno..I sell these hunts in Reno for $57K, but bloke lost his $10K deposit..For you, I'll swap a week marlin fishing for $20K, and you pay $27K and $7K transfers. Son comes for zip, as an observor but can hunt on your licence.. Where'd those "permits/licences" for Alex bob up?? You have never had a stand at Reno! more deception..Who lost their $10K deposit?..more bullshit! SCI LV in 2012, could never catch up.. you'd always just left convention,...strange, if I owed you money.
 
Posts: 48 | Location: australia | Registered: 24 March 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Johnno do you know the difference between a agent and an Outfitter?
I sold the hunt on behalf of the Outfitter, the hunts he sold at SCI were priced that and the deposit was lost by client, why don’t you contact the Outfitter and ask him, as an Agent we pass on the story told to us by Outfitter,

As for permit correct in what your mail said, when I found out before hunt that this was not legal I made them go and take out the permit for AJ

If I were you go ahead and call the wild life office and follow the paper trail,

You will find permits issued to you on the last week of August, this was when I found out about AJ needing a licence, they went back in September 13th I think it was and got AJ permit,
A few days later they found a problem on your permits, went back to office 15th September and re did your permits,
If you want I will get the incorrect permits scanned on as well, if you had bothered to contact the licensing office you would have known this,

As for the outfitters they don’t give a rats ass about this case, they got their money and are happy with me taking the brunt of this joke

As for the last show, I had already started legal action so had no need to meet you, would just have been ugly,

I had tried very nicely to sort this out with you, you did not want to so why would you 2 years later,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by johnnomarlin:
Justin..are you the agent now, or the outfitter? as you bignoted yourself? The 'Man with the Plan".. here's my deal to johnno..I sell these hunts in Reno for $57K, but bloke lost his $10K deposit..For you, I'll swap a week marlin fishing for $20K, and you pay $27K and $7K transfers. Son comes for zip, as an observor but can hunt on your licence.. Where'd those "permits/licences" for Alex bob up?? You have never had a stand at Reno! more deception..Who lost their $10K deposit?..more bullshit! SCI LV in 2012, could never catch up.. you'd always just left convention,...strange, if I owed you money.


Johno,

Is it possible for you to communicate in complete sentences? Your insinuations and use of slang make it virtually impossible to comprehend you.

Jeff
 
Posts: 2857 | Location: FL | Registered: 18 September 2007Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by jkhunter:
fujotupu

I would readily argue that this permit is null and void, as i have checked my case and the legality of the permit with the Tanzania wildlife office law department, as son shot buffalo and is shipped to same address as father and was not more than quota on fathers licence the scout and PH just filled in the fathers licence, I have checked this and have affidavit from department showing its vitality,

As they stated to me there interested in the money paid over for second permit, and that there was no additional quota shot above the limits on the one permit,

I am sure that you are technically correct, but as I have stated it is has been excepted by wildlife office,

I am sure you will still have an issue,


Not at all - if the GD say it is OK to do it that way who's to argue.

It would however make for an interesting discussion within the GD offices though that the Game Scout neglected the signing of AJs permit - they are usually quite rabid about the client signing permits, trophy register and trophy recording data forms.

Man, is it a pain in d ass and a half handling all that paperwork!
 
Posts: 2731 | Registered: 23 August 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Question for you

Why did you not once on your return to Australia contact me regarding any issues you had, why did you not return any of my calls or reply to any of the e mails i sent you asking how the safari was,

If it all went so wrong would you not have wanted to inform the person who organised the hunt about the disaster you had,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
agree with you,

Every hunt I have personally done my self it is all signed off, my only conclusion is that because there were no animals marked off the permit they saw it as double work,

The client is more than welcome to track him down and ask him,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Todd Williams
posted Hide Post
I don't know either party here and have no dog in this fight. Frankly, I would have considered this a private matter and not been interested to delve into it. However, Johnno chose to air dirty laundry for all to see. Since that was done, with an obvious attempt to garner support for one side or the other, I attempted to get a fair reading on the matter at hand. I asked Johnno and JKH some very straight forward questions. Yes or No answers.

JKH answered. He also admitted some mistakes made as part of the learning process associated with growing a business. For anyone who has started and run their own company before, I think we can all relate to those types of issues. It is clear to me that JKH made the attempt to right any wrongs prior to and during the hunt. He has even offered to forego a portion of payment in terms of voiding the fishing "payment" if the remaining trophy fees are paid.

Johnno has made several posts in response to others AFTER I posted the questions. He has yet to address these simple questions with a yes or no answer. When another member pressed him for answers to the same questions, Johnno's response was to "Go back and read. Take your time". Then more cryptic and incoherent statements. Evasive and non-responsive! In my experience, that usually means one thing: BULLSHIT!!

Johnno had some very well respected AR members post in support of his character regarding this fiasco. It's a shame he has squandered those members' support by not paying his bill for animals taken. Johnnomarlin and Llamapacker; two names forever linked on AR!
 
Posts: 8533 | Registered: 09 January 2011Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I don't know either party here and have no dog in this fight. Frankly, I would have considered this a private matter and not been interested to delve into it. However, Johnno chose to air dirty laundry for all to see. Since that was done, with an obvious attempt to garner support for one side or the other, I attempted to get a fair reading on the matter at hand. I asked Johnno and JKH some very straight forward questions. Yes or No answers.

JKH answered. He also admitted some mistakes made as part of the learning process associated with growing a business. For anyone who has started and run their own company before, I think we can all relate to those types of issues. It is clear to me that JKH made the attempt to right any wrongs prior to and during the hunt. He has even offered to forego a portion of payment in terms of voiding the fishing "payment" if the remaining trophy fees are paid.

Johnno has made several posts in response to others AFTER I posted the questions. He has yet to address these simple questions with a yes or no answer. When another member pressed him for answers to the same questions, Johnno's response was to "Go back and read. Take your time". Then more cryptic and incoherent statements. Evasive and non-responsive! In my experience, that usually means one thing: BULLSHIT!!

Johnno had some very well respected AR members post in support of his character regarding this fiasco. It's a shame he has squandered those members' support by not paying his bill for animals taken. Johnnomarlin and Llamapacker; two names forever linked on AR!


+1

Also points up the problem with barter.
 
Posts: 2857 | Location: FL | Registered: 18 September 2007Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I don't know either party here and have no dog in this fight. Frankly, I would have considered this a private matter and not been interested to delve into it. However, Johnno chose to air dirty laundry for all to see. Since that was done, with an obvious attempt to garner support for one side or the other, I attempted to get a fair reading on the matter at hand. I asked Johnno and JKH some very straight forward questions. Yes or No answers.

JKH answered. He also admitted some mistakes made as part of the learning process associated with growing a business. For anyone who has started and run their own company before, I think we can all relate to those types of issues. It is clear to me that JKH made the attempt to right any wrongs prior to and during the hunt. He has even offered to forego a portion of payment in terms of voiding the fishing "payment" if the remaining trophy fees are paid.

Johnno has made several posts in response to others AFTER I posted the questions. He has yet to address these simple questions with a yes or no answer. When another member pressed him for answers to the same questions, Johnno's response was to "Go back and read. Take your time". Then more cryptic and incoherent statements. Evasive and non-responsive! In my experience, that usually means one thing: BULLSHIT!!

Johnno had some very well respected AR members post in support of his character regarding this fiasco. It's a shame he has squandered those members' support by not paying his bill for animals taken. Johnnomarlin and Llamapacker; two names forever linked on AR!


Actually, Llamapacker was clearly lying; there was no doubt ever Nixon stole his traveler's checks. It just defies logic anyone would steal TCs intended to pay for the services they rendered. But even if they were stolen (which they were not), it would have been no big deal to wire the right funds after the hunt. But that didn't happen. Only some bullshit accusations. Meanwhile, Nixon has gone on to shoot any number of high quality trophies for fellow AR members.


Don't Ever Book a Hunt with Jeff Blair
http://forums.accuratereloadin...821061151#2821061151

 
Posts: 7581 | Location: Arizona and off grid in CO | Registered: 28 July 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I ignore the fishing aspect of the debacle. I concentrate on the game shot, and trophy fees unpaid.

Johnno has never disputed he shot animals, and has never claimed he paid his trophy fees.
He admits to receiving a bill for trophy fees and other costs.

Let's argue for a second that he disagreed with the other costs. PAY THE PART YOU KNOW YOU OWE. Am I right? If I am overbilled, I bring it up, and pay, at a minimum, the amount I believe I owe. Did he somehow believe he did not owe any trophy fees?

It seems clear the fishing barter was for a portion of the daily rate, and there is consensus on this.

Even with all the other weird details of this disaster of a hunt, game was taken and not paid for.

It is confounding he wants support, but will not answer basic questions from those people he is seeking support.

Tell the truth and answer the questions, or you end up looking like Lois Lerner(google it if you do not know.)


DSC
SCI Life
NRA Life
WSF Life <1 Club
 
Posts: 177 | Location: Bitterroot Valley, MT | Registered: 02 April 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
TGDjr

The client has not once contacted me to negotiate for a better settlement or even made an offer to just cover the bare trophy fees,

In fact after 2 years he still has not sent me an e mail with any complaints he had about the Safari, just pure silence,
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
It is always hard to understand the totality of the circumstances involved in this type of dispute, but from what I have read here I am inclined to side with the Agent. While the PH/Outfitter has not been heard from, I suppose we are to assume he was paid by the Agent and is satisfied with his compensation from this hunt....?

While the writing "style" makes this dispute even harder to follow, it seems more than appropriate that this case is headed to court where the parties can air their grievances fully in a proper court of law. My opinion and the opinion of all the "experts" on this form doesn't really matter, no matter how loudly they are proclaimed on this site.

Having been smeared on this forum by members with absolutely no knowledge or even a grasp of the "facts" they like to proclaim, it is much easier now to remain more skeptical of the "truth" posted here. The entire "llamapacker / Nixon dispute" never had a post from Nixon, and one of my many "failings" according to members here was a refusal to engage surrogates who weren't there and had no skin in the game other than to stir the pot. While I still hold some animosity toward Nixon for providing an illegal hunt, I've long since moved on and continue to hunt throughout Africa and around the world despite the predictions of many posters on this board. I have learned to do even more diligence on future hunts, and now assure myself that permits are in order and that I understand at least the basics of the wildlife laws in the countries I hunt. Previously I had assumed, incorrectly, that I could rely on my PH to know and follow the laws in his country.

I will reserve my judgement on this case, and let the courts render the proper verdict. It wasn't lost on me that in the first several pages of this thread everyone was supporting the hunter, while really knowing nothing of what transpired. The tide seemed to have turned with the presentation of some "evidence" by the agent, but it is clear there is much more that has not been seen. Once the court case is concluded and the transcripts are posted on AR, it will be interesting to see how some of the assumptions and conclusions on here stack up. It has been my experience that the loudest and foulest of the members here are often found to be the farthest off base.
Bill
 
Posts: 1090 | Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA | Registered: 19 March 2002Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Hi Bill

Thank you for your honest assessment of the situation,

It is true what you said, when this thread started I was roasted over coals every moment of the day, I have stated facts and followed them up with the paper work, this has seemed to cool the haters and bring out some AR members who are more interested in learning the true facts,

It is unfortunate that it has led this far, and will be handled in the courts, to date I have spent at small fortune on legal fees and will not back down because of the principle of the matter involved,

In the end of the day the only winners will be the lawyers who pocket thousands of $$$$ because adult men can’t sit down and sort a problem out,

If the client contacted me with his problems I would readily have worked with him to sort it out, by now he would have had his trophies mounted and on display for all to enjoy, especially his son who hunted his first Buffalo, what memory does he have now......

Happy hunting

JK
 
Posts: 494 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 10 April 2013Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by llamapacker:
It is always hard to understand the totality of the circumstances involved in this type of dispute, but from what I have read here I am inclined to side with the Agent. While the PH/Outfitter has not been heard from, I suppose we are to assume he was paid by the Agent and is satisfied with his compensation from this hunt....?

While the writing "style" makes this dispute even harder to follow, it seems more than appropriate that this case is headed to court where the parties can air their grievances fully in a proper court of law. My opinion and the opinion of all the "experts" on this form doesn't really matter, no matter how loudly they are proclaimed on this site.

Having been smeared on this forum by members with absolutely no knowledge or even a grasp of the "facts" they like to proclaim, it is much easier now to remain more skeptical of the "truth" posted here. The entire "llamapacker / Nixon dispute" never had a post from Nixon, and one of my many "failings" according to members here was a refusal to engage surrogates who weren't there and had no skin in the game other than to stir the pot. While I still hold some animosity toward Nixon for providing an illegal hunt, I've long since moved on and continue to hunt throughout Africa and around the world despite the predictions of many posters on this board. I have learned to do even more diligence on future hunts, and now assure myself that permits are in order and that I understand at least the basics of the wildlife laws in the countries I hunt. Previously I had assumed, incorrectly, that I could rely on my PH to know and follow the laws in his country.

I will reserve my judgement on this case, and let the courts render the proper verdict. It wasn't lost on me that in the first several pages of this thread everyone was supporting the hunter, while really knowing nothing of what transpired. The tide seemed to have turned with the presentation of some "evidence" by the agent, but it is clear there is much more that has not been seen. Once the court case is concluded and the transcripts are posted on AR, it will be interesting to see how some of the assumptions and conclusions on here stack up. It has been my experience that the loudest and foulest of the members here are often found to be the farthest off base.
Bill


Still a lying POS!!!!


xxxxxxxxxx
When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere.

NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR.

I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
 
Posts: 17099 | Location: Texas USA | Registered: 07 May 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Mr. Hunter,

I may have missed part of this but in what court and in what country is this case going to be heard?

It has been extremely difficult to comprehend how anyone is able to kill good trophies with a smile and then refuse to pay for them.

That as I have said all along seems like someone looking for a free lunch to me. If I kill animals or wound animals I owe someone for that and feel I should pay for them. If there is another problem then deal with that in the proper fashion.

It would be nice if there could be some mutual joy there and everyone could settle amicably. However it seems past that now.


Photobucket
 
Posts: 410 | Location: Benton, Pennsylvania USA | Registered: 16 December 2011Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
In the end of the day the only winners will be the lawyers who pocket thousands of $$$$ because adult men can’t sit down and sort a problem out,

Sadly, this is exactly right. I'm sorry things so often turn out that way.
 
Posts: 7449 | Registered: 10 April 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of sth
posted Hide Post
Jkhunter. Any news in this case?
 
Posts: 54 | Location: Vest coast of Norway | Registered: 22 February 2013Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Rusty
posted Hide Post
Anyone? Bueller?


Rusty
We Band of Brothers!
DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member

"I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends."
----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836
"I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841
"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
 
Posts: 9797 | Location: Missouri City, Texas | Registered: 21 June 2000Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of leopards valley safaris
posted Hide Post
What ever happened to world wide hunter?


Dave Davenport
Outfitters license HC22/2012EC
Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC
www.leopardsvalley.co.za
dave@leopardsvalley.co.za
+27 42 24 61388
HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN
Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris
 
Posts: 980 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 06 December 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I heard a rumor WWH was busy holding the vehicle steady in a Black Rhino horn perforating exercise .
 
Posts: 465 | Location: New Zealand, Australia, Zambia | Registered: 25 May 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Ridgeman:

The angle at which the bullet entered/exited the horn to end up punching a hole in its ear tends to suggest the shot was taken from an elevated position.

Shame on you though for suggesting it might have been taken from atop of a truck - the shooter could well have been perched on an anthill. Big Grin

By the looks of his neat attire he didn't seem to break a sweat so certainly didn't have to work too hard to get his trophy. coffee
 
Posts: 2731 | Registered: 23 August 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Shame on you though for suggesting it might have been taken from atop of a truck - the shooter could well have been perched on an anthill. Big Grin


I take that comment back - you referred to "having heard a rumor".

My apologies Sir.
 
Posts: 2731 | Registered: 23 August 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Give the guy a break - considering the trophy fee on such a specimen which would easily run into 6 figures and hit the quarter million mark, the question of ethics is a foregone conclusion.

In reality therefore, it is not a hunt but a guaranteed execution and the chest-thumping and bravado being publicized is nothing short of bullshit.
 
Posts: 2731 | Registered: 23 August 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of jdollar
posted Hide Post
it has been so long i forgot the original issue and i am too lazy to read back through 3 pages of comments........


Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend…
To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP
 
Posts: 13612 | Location: Georgia | Registered: 28 October 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of boarkiller
posted Hide Post
All I gotta quip in is, seems like Tanzania is not just way too expensive, but also more corrupted then any of the other hunting destinations in Africa.
Too bad so sad.


" Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins.
When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar.
Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan
PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move...

Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies...
Only fools hope to live forever
“ Hávamál”
 
Posts: 13376 | Location: In mountains behind my house hunting or drinking beer in Blacksmith Brewery in Stevensville MT or holed up in Lochsa | Registered: 27 December 2012Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I hear both parties concerned are at the show.
Perhaps they'll arm wrestle for it or maybe even flip a coin.
Of course - that's if JK makes himself available this year ?
 
Posts: 465 | Location: New Zealand, Australia, Zambia | Registered: 25 May 2009Reply With Quote
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2 3 4 5  
 


Copyright December 1997-2023 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia