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Originally posted by johnnomarlin:
jchb. Go back to start of BOTH threads, read slowly and carefully..take your time!

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Originally posted by johnnomarlin:
Justin..are you the agent now, or the outfitter? as you bignoted yourself? The 'Man with the Plan".. here's my deal to johnno..I sell these hunts in Reno for $57K, but bloke lost his $10K deposit..For you, I'll swap a week marlin fishing for $20K, and you pay $27K and $7K transfers. Son comes for zip, as an observor but can hunt on your licence.. Where'd those "permits/licences" for Alex bob up?? You have never had a stand at Reno! more deception..Who lost their $10K deposit?..more bullshit! SCI LV in 2012, could never catch up.. you'd always just left convention,...strange, if I owed you money.

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Originally posted by jkhunter:
fujotupu

I would readily argue that this permit is null and void, as i have checked my case and the legality of the permit with the Tanzania wildlife office law department, as son shot buffalo and is shipped to same address as father and was not more than quota on fathers licence the scout and PH just filled in the fathers licence, I have checked this and have affidavit from department showing its vitality,

As they stated to me there interested in the money paid over for second permit, and that there was no additional quota shot above the limits on the one permit,

I am sure that you are technically correct, but as I have stated it is has been excepted by wildlife office,

I am sure you will still have an issue,

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I don't know either party here and have no dog in this fight. Frankly, I would have considered this a private matter and not been interested to delve into it. However, Johnno chose to air dirty laundry for all to see. Since that was done, with an obvious attempt to garner support for one side or the other, I attempted to get a fair reading on the matter at hand. I asked Johnno and JKH some very straight forward questions. Yes or No answers.

JKH answered. He also admitted some mistakes made as part of the learning process associated with growing a business. For anyone who has started and run their own company before, I think we can all relate to those types of issues. It is clear to me that JKH made the attempt to right any wrongs prior to and during the hunt. He has even offered to forego a portion of payment in terms of voiding the fishing "payment" if the remaining trophy fees are paid.

Johnno has made several posts in response to others AFTER I posted the questions. He has yet to address these simple questions with a yes or no answer. When another member pressed him for answers to the same questions, Johnno's response was to "Go back and read. Take your time". Then more cryptic and incoherent statements. Evasive and non-responsive! In my experience, that usually means one thing: BULLSHIT!!

Johnno had some very well respected AR members post in support of his character regarding this fiasco. It's a shame he has squandered those members' support by not paying his bill for animals taken. Johnnomarlin and Llamapacker; two names forever linked on AR!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
I don't know either party here and have no dog in this fight. Frankly, I would have considered this a private matter and not been interested to delve into it. However, Johnno chose to air dirty laundry for all to see. Since that was done, with an obvious attempt to garner support for one side or the other, I attempted to get a fair reading on the matter at hand. I asked Johnno and JKH some very straight forward questions. Yes or No answers.

JKH answered. He also admitted some mistakes made as part of the learning process associated with growing a business. For anyone who has started and run their own company before, I think we can all relate to those types of issues. It is clear to me that JKH made the attempt to right any wrongs prior to and during the hunt. He has even offered to forego a portion of payment in terms of voiding the fishing "payment" if the remaining trophy fees are paid.

Johnno has made several posts in response to others AFTER I posted the questions. He has yet to address these simple questions with a yes or no answer. When another member pressed him for answers to the same questions, Johnno's response was to "Go back and read. Take your time". Then more cryptic and incoherent statements. Evasive and non-responsive! In my experience, that usually means one thing: BULLSHIT!!

Johnno had some very well respected AR members post in support of his character regarding this fiasco. It's a shame he has squandered those members' support by not paying his bill for animals taken. Johnnomarlin and Llamapacker; two names forever linked on AR!

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Originally posted by llamapacker:
It is always hard to understand the totality of the circumstances involved in this type of dispute, but from what I have read here I am inclined to side with the Agent. While the PH/Outfitter has not been heard from, I suppose we are to assume he was paid by the Agent and is satisfied with his compensation from this hunt....?

While the writing "style" makes this dispute even harder to follow, it seems more than appropriate that this case is headed to court where the parties can air their grievances fully in a proper court of law. My opinion and the opinion of all the "experts" on this form doesn't really matter, no matter how loudly they are proclaimed on this site.

Having been smeared on this forum by members with absolutely no knowledge or even a grasp of the "facts" they like to proclaim, it is much easier now to remain more skeptical of the "truth" posted here. The entire "llamapacker / Nixon dispute" never had a post from Nixon, and one of my many "failings" according to members here was a refusal to engage surrogates who weren't there and had no skin in the game other than to stir the pot. While I still hold some animosity toward Nixon for providing an illegal hunt, I've long since moved on and continue to hunt throughout Africa and around the world despite the predictions of many posters on this board. I have learned to do even more diligence on future hunts, and now assure myself that permits are in order and that I understand at least the basics of the wildlife laws in the countries I hunt. Previously I had assumed, incorrectly, that I could rely on my PH to know and follow the laws in his country.

I will reserve my judgement on this case, and let the courts render the proper verdict. It wasn't lost on me that in the first several pages of this thread everyone was supporting the hunter, while really knowing nothing of what transpired. The tide seemed to have turned with the presentation of some "evidence" by the agent, but it is clear there is much more that has not been seen. Once the court case is concluded and the transcripts are posted on AR, it will be interesting to see how some of the assumptions and conclusions on here stack up. It has been my experience that the loudest and foulest of the members here are often found to be the farthest off base.
Bill

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In the end of the day the only winners will be the lawyers who pocket thousands of $$$$ because adult men can’t sit down and sort a problem out,

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Shame on you though for suggesting it might have been taken from atop of a truck - the shooter could well have been perched on an anthill. Big Grin