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Originally posted by jkhunter:
First 100% you shat a fantastic Tom leopard

That had to hurt...sorry just couldn't resist

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Originally posted by jkhunter:
First 100% you shat a fantastic Tom leopard

That's going to be tough to prove in court.

Well well well!! I just walked in from a long day.. and look who's on AR! Justin! missed you at Vegas SCI!! You can bet on this ..I'll reply to all your nonsense, point by point, but I am surprised by your offer of email disclosure. You should have quit while you were behind!! So now you're just a "simple agent, yor honor, sir!" HoHO! Yeah! Karan Safaris had the fishing trip (probably best on the planet, not slinging a worm in at the local creek) as part payment, 4o+% of cost. How was the Oufitter to get paid for that?? Did your "outfitter" know about this Commish?? Who then was the "bulling" Outfitter who supplied the fraudulent, deceptive and misleading photos?? The photos that were the subject of my original post on African Hunting. "Who else gas been conned by bullshit photos?" No other hunters had those problems. Its now evident that its not standard and accepted practice of Tanzanian agents/outfitters. That was what I was establishing. 99% are decent honest operators! and Lane, thanks for posting! (Mr D... his name's Don.. sent his Selous photos to you!! not some "bulling outfitter")) My trip was 2010. Don went on a Tanz hunt booked with you in 2011 with his son and two friends ... lions, "leopards falling out of the trees", trophy tuskers! tigers (OK OK! I'm telling porkies, but you started it!!) How many lions, leopard, tuskers, tigers (stop it!!) did they sight? NONE!! We could have all had a chat at SCI Vegas, but you had just left the convention each time. Our original itinerary, until just before we left for Dar, was to transfer to "Rungwa" from Arusha, clip a couple of buffs, giving us lots of baits, a leopard, assorted PG (Prime PG, not little stuff) and return to Oz via Arusha. Buff would be hard, but there in Sept (rains, feed, new grass, etc yap yap) I had made it clear that I didnt need to move, unless we'd got the job done! BUT! old mate JK here said (now because he knew no buff in area) we can move to Rainer Josch's Mt Loosimor and clip 2 more buff (mountain) and Masai species, for $6K plus trophy fees. We had paid the Air Charter from Arusha/Rungwa(ahem!)/Arusha.. so road transfer onlyto have a crack at a Lesser Kudu. I was emailed a mud map sketch of "Itulu Forest Rungwa", showing rivers, camp, forests, open areas and animal distibution..lion, sable, buffalo, eland..I'll post it soon so we can all have a good chuckle! We had a good laugh after about day 9, and mind-numbing days of driving and only seeing the disappearing arse-end of a startled oribi! when someone observed "Should have put on this map kangaroo and polar bear to add authenticity!!" .. Before the trip in the "excitement planning stage" ( I'm sure theres a Salesmans kit... Probably "The Dummies Guide to Selling to Dummies") I was on the phone to South Africa a few times. One phone conversation, I asked my 'new best agent/outfitter buddy' ... Those rivers on your map, do they have any crocs or hippos? Plenty! Whats the trophy fees? $2200 croc, $2500 hippo. Great!! Now, Just a little aside here.. On previous hunts I joked with African PH's that the "Big 5" was all very good, but what about a BIG 10, or BIG 12?? Add in Hippo, grander class marlin, 12' shark, 14' croc, black bear, brown bear, polar bear, aussie buff (they kill people each year).. anything that dusts us!! So with rivers of "big 10", why move and waste time? My 18yo son had 3 and was keen to get another 3! the last crocs and hippos were many years gone of course. Justin you must have been pissing yourself laughing at how easy it is to bullshit the punters. Just before we left, JK says air charter is now Dar to Rungwa. "More to follow.." Final tonight,... JKH, you're a bloody tool, too stupid to shut up. As I said you should have quit while you were only comfortably behind! The other thread I said we had the bite and were about to set the hook! I didnt have to "rat you out"..fuck off princess!..You had your mates pushing you out to take the heat! and WWH I still think is you! Its late here, but in the morning I'll get a few emails posted for the forum to ponder.. Those initial emails will clarify why your "last Email" wasnt worthy of answering after the constant crap! Old Texan mate I worked offshore with (Jack Pillow, RIP) said, Dealing with bullshitters is "like wiping your arse on a wagon wheel.there's just no end to it"

Since you decided to come here and face the music, care to explain why you were using photos from other safari operators in other areas to sell hunts for this chap?

Just curious. Maybe there is a reason.

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Originally posted by jkhunter:
First 100% you shat a fantastic Tom leopard

I hear Cipro is good for this.

And how did this story end?
Is the trial finished?

Just curious

still waiting for trial date, Australia has quite a long process before a date is given, first a discovery phase then mediation then trial, so still waiting and happy to continue with the case.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Since you decided to come here and face the music, care to explain why you were using photos from other safari operators in other areas to sell hunts for this chap?

Just curious. Maybe there is a reason.

Wendell,

At least one of those photos pertains to the camp and trophies of clients of an outfitter whom you represent if I am not mistaken.

Wouldn't that be an infringement of copyright laws?......Ouch !

Might just want to watch out for jkhunter......doesn't sound like my kind of guy....


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fujotupu

you seem to have your nose in every thing I post or comment on, you seem to be a bad rash that does not go away, I don't know you and I have not done anything against you so do me a favour and,,,,,,,,,,,

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Originally posted by jkhunter:
fujotupu

you seem to have your nose in every thing I post or comment on, you seem to be a bad rash that does not go away, I don't know you and I have not done anything against you so do me a favour and,,,,,,,,,,,

And ..... ?????

Rest assured, if what you or anyone else's post appears to be suspicious, incorrect or misleading, I will most certainly question it and its up to the poster to prove me wrong.
If my post to Wendell has given you an itchy crotch then I will ask YOU directly what a photo from LSS and trophies has to do with you?
Like it or not, if you do not or did not have prior permission from the outfitter to publicize one of his photos (I have it from the horse's mouth he doesn't know you from a bar of soap) you are indeed infringing on copyright laws.

I'm surprised you have not reacted in the same stupid tones to the tirade which was directed your way from an earlier poster.

Happy Hunting!

The lack of professionalism jkhunter showed by jumping on another outfitters thread showed me what kind of person he is!

I wouldn't put anything past him!

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I have not been to Africa but hope to. Here is what I learned from this thread

* If it is an unbelievably cheap deal - then it probably is .... UNBELIEVABLE
* If it turns out to be believable, then it will be a basic wild, trip with lots of surprises - a true adventure ... BUT you better not moan & cry
* If you are doing swaps and trades - watch out for the fine print .... unless it is with friends whom you know very well.

A 21 day hunt for 2 people in TZ for Leopard, buff & PG should probably cost over $60k right????

Oh .... I want that $300 million lotto & I WILL pay the taxes!

For what it's worth, 'jkhunter' and 'worldwide hunter' are using the same IP address.

George

May be they are "kissing cousins"!

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
For what it's worth, 'jkhunter' and 'worldwide hunter' are using the same IP address.

George

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
For what it's worth, 'jkhunter' and 'worldwide hunter' are using the same IP address.

George

Whooopsie now the "Leopard " is amongst the pigeons

if you take the time to read all the thready you will see that WWH was hunting with me for the time he was posting off my computer and my e mail so great detective work same IP adress

Dave i can see you dont get enough clients to keep your self busy so you sit and make crack jokes, you should get a day job

One of the problems of commenting on an old thread is you have people making statements and comments without knowing the story,
If you had read you would know that yes Photos were sent that were from other outfitters but me as the agent on this safari did not know this, I passed on info and photos that were sent to me by the Tanzanian Outfitter, I have said it and I will say it again, if any Outfitter or client was hurt or feels done in by these pictures that were passed onto me under false pretence, then give me a call or drop me a mail, to date no one has. Only people like FUJOTUPU who have nothing better to do than to try proving some point, that he is a big man by harping on the same issue.
JTEX for your comment again read the thread before you crucify me for jumping in on my own thread not another outfitters, so please get your story straight,
As for the case, let’s wait for the courts to decide,
I sell more than 500 days a year for the last 7 years of Dangerous Game Safaris, not pissy Eastern Cape plains Game hunt and this has been my first situation where I acting as Agent not even Outfitter was caught by both a client and an Outfitter,
If you knew the story then you would know that I went out of my way and spent extra money in chartering this client to a different area for Buffalo at no extra cost to his pocket for him to be successful on his hunt, there is no one else in this industry especially Agents who would ever dig into their own pockets, they would just let the client and Outfitter fight it out.
So please do me a favour to all of you, if you want to judge me or label me, get your ass in a plane and come and meet me, hunt with me and then go ahead and say whatever you want to, so the offer is there,
I am hunting and fishing in Canada for 2 weeks in August, I am hunting Black Rhino the end of August I will be hunting the swamps in Zambia end of September and then hopefully hunting with Martin in Zimbabwe end November so any of you Haters or Cyber commenters who have nothing better to do come on Safari with me and then comment all you want,
I am not in the hunting game to make a living; this is a hobby for me. I don’t have to work a day in my life if I did not want to; I am successful enough in my Businesses to do that at any time

And for this Australian court case, if I have to drop $50k $100k or however much I need to prove a principle point in the hunting industry where there are too many people who think they are better than the rest then I will, there are too many Outfitters that have been screwed by clients but they do not have the financial needs to fight it so they just sit back and except the loss, sorry not me.

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if you take the time to read all the thready you will see that WWH was hunting with me for the time he was posting off my computer and my e mail so great detective work same IP adress

Surely you cannot be serious in posting such a statement!

Do you realize that while you have openly admitted it was your computer, your email(?) and IP address and allegedly permitted a third party (WWH) to make use of it expect to extricate yourself from any wrongdoings?

You are totally responsible for what is sent out from your computer, especially your email which is secured by a separate password!

Give us all a break and do yourself a favour by reducing the depth of the hole you are digging yourself!

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Only people like FUJOTUPU who have nothing better to do than to try proving some point, that he is a big man by harping on the same issue.

Really?....I don't need to prove anything which is already a fact, other than letting you know you are out of line by using another man's photographic material which among others was not originally posted by me but immediately caught my eye as it is one camp I know better than any person on this forum.

Rather than growing a pair of balls and accepting and possibly apologizing for the "error", you have chosen to try and worm your way out of the situation by blaming the outfitter.

Whatever it is that transpired between you and the client who laid into you is of no concern to me but for someone to come onto the forum in that manner does indeed raise eyebrows.

Keep well.

Leopard Slayer sorry to jump in but you have totally missed the point on the use of computer, I am not trying to get out of anything at all, WWH used my computer to start this thread back in April when we were hunting, this has nothing to do with the photos sent, the 2 are separate issues,
I sent the photos to a client of animals supposedly hunted in an area I was marketing, these photos as it turned out were from another outfitter which to this day I don’t know,
If I did not except full responsibility I would not be on this site,

FUJOLUPO if I was trying to pass blame onto the outfitter I would not be on this site and I would not have paid him in full for his services on the safari if I blamed him, as for the clients in the photos, the only one I could get identified and track down I did and I personally spoke to him and apologised for using his photo, you have made your point regarding the photo numerous times so either get over it or carry on flogging a dead horse.

You make it sound that utilizing others' photos is a triviality !

To set the record straight why don't you contact the outfitter of the camp and concession whose photo you used to promote your business and offer as well and convey to him your apologies.

Keep well.

It appears to me that jkhunter is a complete fraud that will say ( or type ) anything to cover his A##.

Usually people like him are found out pretty quick.

Actions do speak louder than words and his actions are pretty sleazy.

Using others photos for advertisemnts and posting under two different handles.

Just what we don't need another SHYSTER on AR!

JTEX very brave on the other side of the pond arnt you

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Originally posted by jkhunter:
if you take the time to read all the thready you will see that WWH was hunting with me for the time he was posting off my computer and my e mail so great detective work same IP adress

Dave i can see you dont get enough clients to keep your self busy so you sit and make crack jokes, you should get a day job

Sorry jkhunter - where is it written that WWH was hunting with you in this thread by the time he was posting ?

In fact WWH says that he has just returned from hunting so i deduct he was already at home and not hunting with you by the time he posted ?

Sorry , maybe i am missing completely the picture but would like to understand where eventualy my mistake is ?

Thanks for your explanation.

Cheers

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I had one other thought. If WWH is in fact an attorney as implied , I would hate to be his client if his writing skills are no better than exhibited here.

Larry:

EXACTLY!! My first thought. Say what you want about lawyers, but they normally write quite well.

It's almost impossible to read a post that has only one paragraph or no spacing between paragraphs.

Bill, agree the LONG paragraph.. my IT skills! BUT, stay tuned! Johnno, Cairns

Justin,.. Justin! Aha! ..WWHunter.. aka JKhunter as I predicted!.. Hah! Really, just a hobby? Are you in "The lucky sperm club"?? Yes sir! You remind me of a defrocked marlin skipper called "Two Dicks!" ( Cant be that stupid playing with only one)..You conned me with photos from other operators, photos of camps and trophies you'd never seen!! After the con and before "talks", you then told me in dec 2010 that you'd destroy my and son Alex's (hunting illegally) trophies if ALL your bullshit addons werent paid in full! in 10 days!! So .. I'll take up your offer to post ALL the emails. Remember Princess, I posted on AR asking only for info on your fraud photos, (no names) then YOU, as WWHunter.. by the smouldering campfire, harsh winds of the desert etc etc crap..decided to have a shot at me, because I was asking Who, Where, When about pics sent to me to show me camp and latest trophies,,, Then you pulled your mask off to reveal.. Justin Karan!!! aka JKHunter, Comrade of the smouldering campfire, Tarzan of Timbavati.. Justin,..You let the deal of extended charter Marlin fishing/spearfishing 40 miles offshore Cairns run out of time. Missed some good trips!! Where did you get the pics?? Johnno

Johnno you such a funny old prick arnt you,

tick tock the time is close to see you swallow those old words of yours,

cant wait to see that old frail ass of your in court funny how to date you been to chicken shit to post the photos of the animals you hunted or wounded I should say,

come on now post them for all to see, show all how successful you actually were,

and its just because you cant afford to pay for your animals on your pension check that you did not pay your bill

PH told me he never seen some one shake like that in all his life, he could not decide if it was because you were suffering some with drawls from your booze soaked bones or you just so bloody scared of your guns,

or tell me did you not pay your account because you only found out after your safari that you could not import Leopard to Australia, what a shock that must have been to find that out,

life must be tough for you down under, calling around that pad of yours could not believe how many people think you the lowest scum on earth was glad to see I was not the only one that thought so.

must be hard being you, shit must be hard being your son, cant wait to get that boy of yours on the stand, will see what he is made of, wonder if the apple fell far from the tree,

JKHunter- you really are doing yourself no favours here!

sure those concerns are hart felt Buzz

Guys keep it civil. It won't help to wash your dirty laundry in public.

Justin you need to wind your neck in mate.

Sure Andrew

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Originally posted by jkhunter:
Sure Andrew

Client confidentiality and public relations is part of our job and what makes us professional.

Andrew there is a line boet.