From the picture, assuming the guy is 5' 10" to 6', the arrows are 34" to 36". Long enough to do the job.

Arrow weight and bow draw weight? Surely 800 to 1000 grains for the arrow, and 80# to 100# for the bow (I don't think a PH would let anyone mess around an elephant with less than these minimums). Again, enough to do the job.

The big question in my mind is, what broadhead????? An Ashby or single-bevel Grizzly would probably split an ele rib and go through it, but I can't see how you can split a skull?

Did the shooter test his set-up on an ele skull before? Maybe on an ele that had been shot?

Waiting for the details!

+1

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Originally posted by CaptMike:
Kiboko, I am far from a prude but I can say my teenagers do not use profanity. By accepting that type of behavior you become part of the problem.

+1

I'm no angel, but totaly agrees.

Hi Guys

Okay right, here is all the information of the hunt from the client, he is unable to post here as he does not have the ability to do so at the moment, i have offered to post his story, please read below and see the photo that was attached.

I trust that this will suffice and put the all the strange theories to rest.

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First of all I need to correct my friend JB, I gave him the wrong Kinetic Energy on my bow, I apoligize for that it was my 40 yard mark through the chronograph information in which I lost only 5 fps (242fps)
114.69 was the Kinetic energy at 40 yards, I did this to see what the out most yardage I could take a shot. You need at least 106 # of Kinetic Energy for an elephant or dangerous game ( Thick Skinned only)

The Bow was a Darton PS 2000, I shoot for Darton in the field & Ted Hermans from Darton made me a 100# set of limbs for the bow. No special cams just the 2 1/2 cam that comes on the 2000.
If anyone wants a great set up Call Gabe @ Red Rock Archery in Grand Junction, CO. 970-241-2697
This gentelman is a wizzard at set up with Kinetics & Moment/ a lot of testing was done here with different grain arrows up to 1100 grains.

Set up: Darton PS 2000 Custom @ 98 Pounds
Arrows: Easton Axis Full Metal Jacket dangerous Game Series 18.2 Grains per inch. ( 866 Grains)

Broadheads: German Kenetic 180 Grain two blade
Fletches: Blazer Vanes
Arrow Length 33 1/2 inches

Chronographed @ 247 fps with 866 Grains @ 2 yards out of the bow
Kinetic Energy : (117.345) Speed X speed X weight / Divided by 450240 = Kinetic Energy
Moment: (.9549) 866 Grains divided by 7000 X Weight / divided by 32 fall of gravity = Moment

I made my own arrows with a 30% weight forward effect, sort of like a dart heavier in the front than anywhere else ( SUPER PENETRATION) I did this by attaching the 75 grain insert onto the broadhead along with another 75 grain insert placed into the shaft first with epoxy & then the 180 grain broadhead with the other 75 grain insert attached & epoxied into the shaft. This gives you 330 grains in the first 3 inches of the arrow shaft.
Epoxy approx 5 grains extra. I epoxied threads & all together for a solid tight fix.
No other things were done to the shaft. I will say that after testing other arrows we have found that penetration is best when the arrow shaft is one sixteenth smaller than the ferrule insert for no drag effect coming from the shaft entering the skin no matter what animal you intend to take.
I was told that blazer vanes would not stabilize that heavy of an arrow, NONSENSE, even an 1100 grain arrow flies true. I gained 5 fps taking off 5" vanes. This is huge when trying to increase Kinetic Energy & Moment . The (Two factors for Penetration)
After down loading the film onto a hard dive for editing and viewing the video, this arrow burried all the way to the fletches, a full approx 29 inches of penetration. The Elephant was shocked & took one step back and tried to turn to his right, as he was turning his back end collapsed and flipped over to his right. As I was watching this I thought that the penetration was not that great as he was turning and becoming sort of broadside to me & seeing the arrow sticking out of his skull approx 12", After flipping over & all was done instantly and observing all that went on, my broadhead broke at the ferrule from the impact at the shaft.
In inspecting all that happened on film in slow motion, as he started to turn you can see the full penetration of the arrow, but when his head came up the shaft came out about 8 inches or so. The picture you see is (AS IS) where the shaft came to rest, only went back in 4 inches or so. After pictures & interviews on film the shaft came out easily with no broadhead attatched, severed at the end of the shaft. I guess I didn't epoxy this one as well as I thought. Along with this the knock was out approxametly 1/8 " and bent 20% or so from the shock of stopping. This happens when an arrow comes to an abrubt stop. The broadhed only entered the brain an inch or so, but just enough.
On another note, on the third day of my hunt, we went to another camp where I saw a dry elephant skull. I asked my PH if I could take a shot at it , if it was alright, he had no problem with this at all. After setting up the video camera, and taking a side brain shot at the skull from 30 yards. I entered the skull 3" in front of the ear hole. This was a 90# elephant skull that was hard & dry, not like a live elephant which is softer when alive, so penetration is tougher this way. I have on video the penetration going through 10" of skull & through the brain cavity and almost to the other ear hole.
My intention was not to brain shoot this elephant, but to take him through the heart. After one mock charge at 30 yards & finally turning and going behind a tree, he came out at 20 yards on the other side of us going left, the camera man stood up and the elephant saw him and squared up to us at 18 yards. My PH whispered to me that you better do something , this big guy is going to come quickly, so I told him I will try to take him frontal. I was all ready for a side brain shot if nessescery,due to the experiment that we did earlier, but I had no choice. I will say that I took a hippo at 42 yards 2" under the ear for a side brain shot with the same bow , but different arrows and broadheads. This bow is awesome and have shot Darton bows for some 15 years.
Yes I have now finally taken all dangerous seven big game animals in Africa, & believe that I am the first to do so with a bow.
For all the skeptics out there, the video on all seven will be edited hopefully by the end of the year in a two part DVD series, on which I will try to market at that time. If not, it makes no difference to me , as I have finally fullfilled my dream to do these things with a stick and a blade, My journey is complete at this time!!!!!!!! It will be worth waiting for! These animals are truely trophy class, some world records as they have been scored but not submitted as of yet.

Thanks again JB & Aubry for your support & friendship
JB,I appreciate your sencerity of not releasing my name until I was aware. I commend you for that and Aubry as well!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOM DYER, Grand Junction, Colorado
PS, A Rhino is twice as tough as an Elephant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was going to send a picture of all seven dangerous game animals but I have decided to hold back all photos of everything else until the DVD comes out.
I will release all other photos at the proper time.

Best Regards Tom Dyer

Gentlemen,

I'm no angel either - I would be a poor liar if I were to deny it.
"The first time the devil made me do it" - which is probably the case with Black Mamba.

World famous individuals use the word (uncensored)on internationally televised TV shows.
These same individuals bask in the popularity which has been gleaned from both their professional abilities
and their unrestrained abusive language. Their shows are highly rated, viewed and appreciated (especially by the ladies).

I wonder why these shows have not yet been banned?

Would it have been any different had he written "firking","freaking"or "f.....g?
What word will the brain register?

Nothing wrong with the word "asshole"? - a popular one, often used on AR without the bat of an eyelid!

We as adults learned the word and most certainly not from browsing through the vocabulary - it is called the
"learning process" we hear it at school, on the street, on TV, films, the list is endless, Ah yes, and on AR!

How we decide to use such words in our later stages of life comes through personal choice and our upbringing.
It stands to reason therefore that our siblings be given the same opportunity to share in the same learning process we had.

Soldiers of course are exonerated from the profanity rule! - theirs is a different situation!

And I suppose turd is not a vulgar term?

And to cap it - I do not promote the use of vulgar language on or off public forums but I will not make an issue if someone
does and I most certainly will not use my children, teenager or otherwise as scapegoats!
You don't like what someone said then PM that person on a "one on one".

...and there you have it !
Congratulations to Tom Dyer for completion of a grand quest. Very nice elephant.

Now you dangerous game archers...let me ask the question. If the brain shot were to be considered if available on a hunt, wouldn't it be a better situation regarding penetration to use a broadhead of very narrow diameter to avoid drag on penetration?

The German Kenetics 180gr Silverflame broadhead is one of the strongest, best penetrating heads on the market. Other choices might be the new Ashby head or a modified Grizzly head, both two blade single bevel heads.

The Grizzly and 180gr Silverflame did well in Dr Ashbys tests of penetration on big game.

Yes,

But I am talking specifically brain shot on elephant. No blades? Minimal blades?

Two blade...period. Silverflame, Grizzly, and Ashby are all two blade. All have strong ferules, main spot for failure. The Ashby is probably the strongest built of the three, it was designed from the ground up as a BIG game head.

I believe in aliens, but not in a frontal brained elephant with an arrow.

Nothing can beat Tom's exhilaration. IMO he doesn't care of what can be said. His quest was for the big 7 with the bow and he succeeded hands down.
Getting a 70pounder and with a frontal brain shot with the bow at that, provides an incredible joy and nothing can mitigate his unbeatable happiness.

About DG Broad Heads, my choice is definitely the STOS. It's thicker than the Ashby and the Silver Flame and the profile is far more aerodynamic. Shorten the ferrule and one gets and incredible sharp slick BH.
It's frontal area is 47mm2 vs the 90 and 92 mm2 of the Ashby and the Silver F.

.458Aubs and Jean B.,
Thanks for the info and letter from Tom. Now I believe it. I would imagine this is the first frontal brain shot bull ele kill with a bow in World History!

jb, the STOS is an excellent head, my usual choice for deer hunting in 160 gr weight.

But, the STOS is not as strong as a Silverflame, and nowhere near as strong as an Ashby head. Is it strong enough for Elephant..I don't know, never used one on anything bigger than a 275# boar.

So now if all of you who said ,"No way, can't be done, shot with rifle, etc.." would like to send me a pm I will be happy to provide you with a recipe for crow that has worked fairly well for me in the past .

Congrats to the hunter on being well prepared and taking advantage of the opportunity when it was presented. I will be looking for this video when it reaches circulation.

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Originally posted by DTala:
jb, the STOS is an excellent head, my usual choice for deer hunting in 160 gr weight.

But, the STOS is not as strong as a Silverflame, and nowhere near as strong as an Ashby head. Is it strong enough for Elephant..I don't know, never used one on anything bigger than a 275# boar.

Thanks DTala
The Stos (0.077") is thicker than the Ashby (0.072") and the Silver f (0.070").
The Stos requires a strong adapter, the Ashby and SF are screw on BHs, more fragile.
Endly, the (too) fat ferrule of the SF is aluminum.
I stick to the Stos. It looks thiner when double bevelled but the single bevelled Stos looks as impressive as it's contenders.
I won't discuss more in order to not pollute this thread. This discussion is active on the bowhunting forum.

eyedoc,

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. It seems that many will still insist that the story behind it is all a lie and that it couldn't have happened as stated.

When I killed an Asian Water Buffalo with one arrow, I had guys tell me to my face that it didn't happen as I stated; that I was lying about it. When I offered to show them video proof, I was told that "Video can be faked."

Some guys just refuse to be happy for another's success....

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Originally posted by eyedoc:
So now if all of you who said ,"No way, can't be done, shot with rifle, etc.." would like to send me a pm I will be happy to provide you with a recipe for crow that has worked fairly well for me in the past .

Congrats to the hunter on being well prepared and taking advantage of the opportunity when it was presented. I will be looking for this video when it reaches circulation.

Hi Guys

Final Post from Tom on the subject.

Aubry, after reading all the comments listed, I will say a few facts of my own.

1.) Arrow angle/ when an elephant has his head high, a hunter should take him somewhere in the second rinkle of the trunk, but when finally lowering his head for an all out charge approximatly 4" above the eyes squarely in the center would be correct. as you see whatever angle this arrow ended up in as was told the broadhead severed with the threads still in the insert.( This elephant had his head high confronting us.
2.) Penetration/ I shot a cape buffalo at 47 yards with the same bow, but different arrows & broadheads 2 years ago. Entering the chest just under the chin, taking out the top of the heart & some lungs the broadhead was sticking out the right cheek of his butt. ( Now that's Penetration) Try that with a bullet/ expandable or solid! Along with this a Hippo at 42 yards 2 inches under the right ear, with a total brain shot but after 9 days of waiting in a blind where these hippos like to sun themselves & no action that was all I had at the time.
3.)Also, if you read the posting I sent, I have on film penetration on a dry 90# elephant skull at 30yards that suprised me as well from a side angle with total penetration through the brain and beyond.
4.) If you are wondering if this is true or not you have missed it , it was televised for some 5 showings on the Outdoor Channel this last summer for TNT Outdoor Adventures. Hippo, Sable and Cape Buffalo.( Believe IT)
Contact Todd Cast from TNT Outdoor Adventures, he was there & used his film crew for the show!
5.) I have hunted with a bow since I was 14 years of age and am now almost 55 and have hunted all over the world with my bow taking some of the finest trophies possible.
6.) I did not ask for recognition in this or other cases and (DID NOT POST THIS PICTURE) so for people that want to put up money to bet this is not the case, go find your own dream mine is over.............................
7.) Thanks to all, JB Renz & Aubry & for the appoligizes I have received, I appreciate it GREATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you think it is still not true come hunt with me personally & bring cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cordially TOM


PS No more messages will be sent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks Tom

Now we are waiting for your video to be marketed, any hint when it'll be on the shelves.

To suffer patiently this ele bowhunting video

Jack B bow hunting ele bull

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Originally posted by .458Aubs:
Hi Guys

Final Post from Tom on the subject.

Aubry, after reading all the comments listed, I will say a few facts of my own.

1.) Arrow angle/ when an elephant has his head high, a hunter should take him somewhere in the second rinkle of the trunk, but when finally lowering his head for an all out charge approximatly 4" above the eyes squarely in the center would be correct. as you see whatever angle this arrow ended up in as was told the broadhead severed with the threads still in the insert.( This elephant had his head high confronting us.
2.) Penetration/ I shot a cape buffalo at 47 yards with the same bow, but different arrows & broadheads 2 years ago. Entering the chest just under the chin, taking out the top of the heart & some lungs the broadhead was sticking out the right cheek of his butt. ( Now that's Penetration) Try that with a bullet/ expandable or solid! Along with this a Hippo at 42 yards 2 inches under the right ear, with a total brain shot but after 9 days of waiting in a blind where these hippos like to sun themselves & no action that was all I had at the time.
3.)Also, if you read the posting I sent, I have on film penetration on a dry 90# elephant skull at 30yards that suprised me as well from a side angle with total penetration through the brain and beyond.
4.) If you are wondering if this is true or not you have missed it , it was televised for some 5 showings on the Outdoor Channel this last summer for TNT Outdoor Adventures. Hippo, Sable and Cape Buffalo.( Believe IT)
Contact Todd Cast from TNT Outdoor Adventures, he was there & used his film crew for the show!
5.) I have hunted with a bow since I was 14 years of age and am now almost 55 and have hunted all over the world with my bow taking some of the finest trophies possible.
6.) I did not ask for recognition in this or other cases and (DID NOT POST THIS PICTURE) so for people that want to put up money to bet this is not the case, go find your own dream mine is over.............................
7.) Thanks to all, JB Renz & Aubry & for the appoligizes I have received, I appreciate it GREATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you think it is still not true come hunt with me personally & bring cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cordially TOM


PS No more messages will be sent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom,

A huge congrats to you for that magnificent trophy, and for the class shown with your reply. Lack of information leads to speculation, and some of the posts were just sour grapes.

I did not catch that show, but looking for it now.

Again, well done!!

I said that I was willing to be proven wrong.

Of course, there's no such thing as "proof" on the internet, but I am inclined to believe Tom, based on what he has said here.

Tom, please forgive my skepticism and accept my congratulations on your accomplishment.

Great job Tom. As a fellow archer I'm quite impressed.

Brett

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Originally posted by eyedoc:
So now if all of you who said ,"No way, can't be done, shot with rifle, etc.." would like to send me a pm I will be happy to provide you with a recipe for crow that has worked fairly well for me in the past .

Congrats to the hunter on being well prepared and taking advantage of the opportunity when it was presented. I will be looking for this video when it reaches circulation.

Well said eyedoc and on that note

I think what you have suffered here Tom is a good dose of "long Shaft" penile envy from the naysayer stumpy bullet crowd...

A truly amazing accomplishment!

And, I thought that taking on the Big 7 with a handgun was a challenge!

I'm always on the lookout for another goal, but this is one challenge I think I'll leave to my betters.

I believed it the whole time.

???

The original post was for an elephant shot in Mozambique dated the 04th May

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Just got word that a friend of mine killed a 70lb bull with a bow two days ago in Moz. I'll try to get some pictures up when he returns!

After the ninth Post everyone starts talking about a different elephant shot in Zimbabwe which got noting to do with the original post??

I still would like to know who was the outfitter / Ph and in which area in Mozambique the elephant was shot!


Regarding the elephant shot in Zimbabwe.

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the 180 grain broadhead with the other 75 grain insert attached & epoxied into the shaft. This gives you 330 grains in the first 3 inches of the arrow shaft.



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After down loading the film onto a hard dive for editing and viewing the video, this arrow burried all the way to the fletches, a full approx 29 inches of penetration.

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The Elephant was shocked & took one step back and tried to turn to his right, as he was turning his back end collapsed and flipped over to his right.

And this with a brain shot?

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As I was watching this I thought that the penetration was not that great as he was turning and becoming sort of broadside to me & seeing the arrow sticking out of his skull approx 12",

Are we talking about the same elephant?

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After flipping over & all was done instantly and observing all that went on, my broadhead broke at the ferrule from the impact at the shaft.

Broke on impact in what? The brain or the skull

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In inspecting all that happened on film in slow motion, as he started to turn you can see the full penetration of the arrow, but when his head came up the shaft came out about 8 inches or so. The picture you see is (AS IS) where the shaft came to rest, only went back in 4 inches or so.

Meaning the head was down for the original shot? At this angle and hitting the brain?

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I guess I didn't epoxy this one as well as I thought. Along with this the knock was out approxametly 1/8 " and bent 20% or so from the shock of stopping. This happens when an arrow comes to an abrubt stop. The broadhed only entered the brain an inch or so, but just enough.

It broke off from the hard impact? On the skull? And the broad head then penetrated all the way to the brain? BS

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After one mock charge at 30 yards & finally turning and going behind a tree, he came out at 20 yards on the other side of us going left, the camera man stood up and the elephant saw him and squared up to us at 18 yards. My PH whispered to me that you better do something , this big guy is going to come quickly, so I told him I will try to take him frontal

That is not adding up for me. I seen enough bow hunting on buffalo and I think anything bigger is a stunt.

I haven't shot a bow in a long time. I don't know what happened or what is possible but I am skeptical. If nothing else, it seems that arrow is at such an angle that it would not hit the brain.

Perhaps I am wrong. I can't wait to see the video.

Very interesting, would like to hear more. For a rough comparison, we did tests on a cow elephant with a 65# bow and a 400gr plainsgame arrow with a three blade broadhead. These tests where on the side brain shot. Those arrows went through the brain and lodged on the opposite skull wall. Before the critisism starts about trying this set up, the cow was dead already.

sorry, how embarresing, I hadnt gotten to pages 2-3 yet. Don't I feel like an idiot.

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Originally posted by CaptMike:
Kiboko, I am far from a prude but I can say my teenagers do not use profanity. By accepting that type of behavior you become part of the problem.

Maybe when you're not around, but...

Just teasing of course. I'm only ten years off of being a teenager and I can honestly say that I never cussed in front of my parents, never cussed away from my parents, and damn sure as shit don't do it now. I'd also bet that all those movies and TV shoes they watch at home and away probably don't have curse words in them either (I'd include reading, but we all know that kids don't read anymore; unless it's the African hunting portion of the AR forum of course). Not saying it's polite to curse, but let's not assume that girls fart pink clouds, ball players don't juice, and kids don't know what the F bomb is.

I never looked at playboy magazines either, I just read the articles.

As far as the bow hunting goes... I think it's a fantastic shot, and I think that maybe it shouldn't be tried again by anyone that's not Annie Oakley with one of those super magnum railgun bows. For every one of those fantastic shots, how many eles and buffs cruisin around the bush with a dart up their rears just waiting to take their anger out on some poor sap that that doesn't now what the hell a compound bow is?

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Originally posted by maddenwh:

quote:

Originally posted by CaptMike:
Kiboko, I am far from a prude but I can say my teenagers do not use profanity. By accepting that type of behavior you become part of the problem.

Maybe when you're not around, but...

Just teasing of course. I'm only ten years off of being a teenager and I can honestly say that I never cussed in front of my parents, never cussed away from my parents, and damn sure as shit don't do it now. I'd also bet that all those movies and TV shoes they watch at home and away probably don't have curse words in them either (I'd include reading, but we all know that kids don't read anymore; unless it's the African hunting portion of the AR forum of course). Not saying it's polite to curse, but let's not assume that girls fart pink clouds, ball players don't juice, and kids don't know what the F bomb is.

I never looked at playboy magazines either, I just read the articles.

As far as the bow hunting goes... I think it's a fantastic shot, and I think that maybe it shouldn't be tried again by anyone that's not Annie Oakley with one of those super magnum railgun bows. For every one of those fantastic shots, how many eles and buffs cruisin around the bush with a dart up their rears just waiting to take their anger out on some poor sap that that doesn't now what the hell a compound bow is?

FOR SALE:
1 x .375 H&H Mag. Churchill Rifle.
1 x .500 NE Greifelt & Sons double rifle (non ejector).
N.B. Both are collectors' items.

Have recently been converted to bow hunting.

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Originally posted by kibokolambogo:

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Originally posted by maddenwh:

quote:

Originally posted by CaptMike:
Kiboko, I am far from a prude but I can say my teenagers do not use profanity. By accepting that type of behavior you become part of the problem.

Maybe when you're not around, but...

Just teasing of course. I'm only ten years off of being a teenager and I can honestly say that I never cussed in front of my parents, never cussed away from my parents, and damn sure as shit don't do it now. I'd also bet that all those movies and TV shoes they watch at home and away probably don't have curse words in them either (I'd include reading, but we all know that kids don't read anymore; unless it's the African hunting portion of the AR forum of course). Not saying it's polite to curse, but let's not assume that girls fart pink clouds, ball players don't juice, and kids don't know what the F bomb is.

I never looked at playboy magazines either, I just read the articles.

As far as the bow hunting goes... I think it's a fantastic shot, and I think that maybe it shouldn't be tried again by anyone that's not Annie Oakley with one of those super magnum railgun bows. For every one of those fantastic shots, how many eles and buffs cruisin around the bush with a dart up their rears just waiting to take their anger out on some poor sap that that doesn't now what the hell a compound bow is?

FOR SALE:
1 x .375 H&H Mag. Churchill Rifle.
1 x .500 NE Greifelt & Sons double rifle (non ejector).
N.B. Both are collectors' items.

Have recently been converted to bow hunting.

Then I'll take the 500 NE, ejectors or not.

Fantastic trophy, what a great shot too!

As an avid stick shooter, I do think it is possible (albeit unlikely). I am alway dubious of stories like this on the internet. Anybody remember the world record elk a few years ago. Or the brown bear pics going around. All sorts of stories out there, some true, some not so true. I have a customer that has taken the big 5 all with a bow. That is a real cool feat, not just to accomplish but to be able afford. You fellow bowhunters chiming in here need to chill-out a little. I didn't see any bow bashing, just a bunch of folks not thoroghly convinced of the picture or the story. As far as the bet 458 vs bow. I show a bison a few months ago with my 500NE. In the rear out the front. Over 5" penetration. I'll take that bet, and throw in a batch of buffalo steaks.
I am curious about what has been added to the big 5 or 6 to make it the big 7?

Hey Brett, did you figure out that croc was #7 on your list?
Frank

ps. I do believe duiker may fit right up there though. The little guy I shot last year nearly killed me with only 2.5 legs left and my guide had to perform the final coup de grace with his skinning knife.
Frank

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:


Fantastic trophy, what a great shot too!

The more I look at that photo of the arrow sticking out, the more doubts I get.

It will be interesting to see the video though.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:


Fantastic trophy, what a great shot too!

The more I look at that photo of the arrow sticking out, the more doubts I get.

It will be interesting to see the video though.

We think in the same terms Saeed - Didn't take long for the photos to appear,
why such a delay for the video? ...difficulties in splicing maybe?

I am with you guys.

I have no idea if a bow COULD penetrate that far. But the angle on the arrow just doesn't seem right.