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I have info that another of our posters here on AR is scheduled to bowhunt elephant and he tells me his PH WANTS him to try a brain shot as well.They have hunted together previously and the PH was the first to suggest it might be possible to accomplish. We seldom get to choose But I've seen them go both ways And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory Than to slowly rot away! | |||
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Well, I would certainly have blown that shot with either a bullet or an arrow because that angle looks to me like it's at least a foot below the brain, assuming that arrow isn't bent sharply up. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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As I recall the actual story, if it's the same one, the brain shot was not intended but the bull had bluff charged a few times and when it looked as if the charged might be legit the PH instructed the client to take the frontal brain shot or he was sure he'd have to stop a charge with his rifle. Depending on the angle of the head the shot could easliy hit the brain but it does looks odd from the angle of the photo. Properly equipped, most bowhunters will achieve pass thrus on elephant from the broadside so making a brain shot on an elephant with an arrow is not that big a trick. Bows today will shoot thru almost any game animal and even a common deer hunting rig at 75 pounds will shoot an arrow completely thru a five gallon bucket of sand. A 1000 grain projectile sporting a razor sharp broadhead and with sufficient momentum is hard to stop. | |||
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Would love to see the skull with the hole to see an arrow stuck in the hole for reference... Mike | |||
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That would of course be the Tink Nathan School of Bow Hunting. At least in Australia. He would have to have Video before I beleive it. Gator A Proud Member of the Obamanation "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them." George Orwell | |||
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Thank You ! | |||
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Do us (all) a favor and stay away from the bowhunting threads if you are anti-archery. We don't need the criticism and don't enjoy your company. Well put, Eyedoc! | |||
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I am not sure this has anything to do with "anti archery". I certainly have nothing against archery, due my absolute lack of knowldge of it. But, it does seem hard - at least for me - to believe what has been stated about this hunt. I have been hunting long enough to realize that sometimes crazy things happen during a hunt, and no matter how I try to look at them , they still seem very unlikeky even to me. I am keeping an open mind, and would love to see the video of this hunt | |||
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I agree with a few of the earlier posters If you extrapolate what one can see of the arrow to where the arrow head would be, it is NOWHERE near the brain cavity, in fact greater than a foot away. | |||
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Here's a pic of the bull my friend killed in Mozambique. Unfortunately he had to use a rifle but still a very nice bull. His PH is going to hold onto the ivory for him and perhaps he will be able to import it to the US eventually.  ______________________ I don't shoot elk at 600 yards for the same reasons I don't shoot ducks on the water, or turkeys from their roosts. If this confuses you then you're not welcome in my hunting camp. | |||
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DAMN, what a bull!! Thanks for sharing the pics with us.. | |||
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My quess is the head was an Ashby or Silver Flame. | |||
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I'm not saying this hunter did or did not brain the elephant with his bow. In fact, I hope he did - what a story. In talking to PHs that bowhunt elephant, they say there is a 50/50 chance of getting past the ribs on an elephant. If you get the arrow between two ribs, then you're likely to reach the vitals. If you hit a rib, they say the arrow won't get enought penetration, and the PHs will have to finish off the elephant with a rifle. I just can't imagine how an arrow that won't penetrate a single rib can penetrate the skull. Maybe I'm wrong. | |||
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I saw this photo a couple of weeks before it was posted here. It was sent to me by a European friend. I will say here what I said to him: Not possible. There are bullet holes in that elephant somewhere, and on that I would wager a fair sum. Of course, I am willing to be proved wrong. But that photo would be Exhibit A for the prosecution, and not for the defense. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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mrlexma, I have a $100 bill that says my 90# compound and 850 gr arrow will out penetrate a 450gr .458 Lott every time. Of course I'm shading my wager as I have both and have done so several times. Defense rests! | |||
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I'd make sure I chose the medium before I took that bet (on either side).  JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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If you're shooting solids in the Lott and the medium is plywood throughout its depth, I'd take that bet--and pay an extra $20 if you can show it on video. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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DC Any details on the area, outfitter, professional hunter, calibre, brain or body shot? Thanks | |||
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X2 OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | |||
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Good to see Eyedoc at his best  Tony used a custom 98#Darton bow with custom speed cams. The shortest Darton bow is 33' axle to axle (could also be 37 or even 39 1/8") Following Judge smart reasoning, the arrow is at least 34"long and consequently the penetration is a tad over 24 inches. That does the trick. Easton FMJ Dangerous game shaft 180 gr Silver flame Broad Head. arrow weight 866gr speed > 252 fps KE : 114.69 Very neat exploit. J B de Runz Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent | |||
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Jbderunz thanks for putting that info up, i was battling to find the information on my pc and gave up after a while. Guys the chat who shot the ele with bow is a client of mine(i do air charters, and not hunts  ) he was backed up by a PH and the hunt took place in Sengwe 1 in S.E. Zimbabwe the area has some awesome ele and i know that on Monday this week a client took a 100 pounder there. i am waiting for his go ahead and will publish the full story. He has taken all of the Big 7 with his bow, so the guy knows his oats and as for the story behind this hunt, shit i was not there i purely go off what i was told and showed.Thanks | |||
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?????????? Lion, Leopard, Elephant, Buffalo, Rhino, Hippo, and Duiker??? This is getting out of hand. Seriously though I'm looking forward to seeing pics and hearing the story behind the 100 pounder! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I personally know of one particular client who has shot Elephant, Buffalo, Lion, Leopard,and other lesser species of game with a bow. He also shot a croc (11ft) which he was fortunate enough to have found wallowing in a pond and transformed it into a pincushion. Had it been in a river or lake it would have been highly unlikely that he would have secured his trophy. The Elephant was shot twice broadside, once just above the heart and the other higher in the lungs. It took off on the first arrow taken at 20 yds, went 20yds and stopped before collecting the second which sent it running for another 50/60 yds before keeling over. PH had no need to assist. All other game taken from a blind, shooting at his quarry when it came within range (20 yds). I will concede that Robin Hood had nothing on him where accuracy is concerned! | |||
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I'm certainly not trying to pick a fight, but you mean this will stop a .458 bullet at 2300, but it won't stop an arrow?  | |||
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Unless that elephant was carrying his brain in his mouth, looks to me like that was more of a tongue shot. | |||
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Thank You CK - It was what I had suggested several posts back! | |||
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I think Nancy Pelosi wishes that she'd taken a "tongue shot" a few months ago. The angle does look low, but I'll bet that there are other pictures that will be more despositive. Can't wait to hear from the shooter and/or the P.H. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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     Another episode of coffee spewed on the keyboard. Thank you New Guy, for the hearty laugh. You've made my day! JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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My thought is perhaps the ele was first shot thru the lungs and was only finished after being down by the head shot. Andy -------------------------------------------- National Rifle Association - Life Member National Wild Turkey Federation - Diamond Life Sponsor Pope & Young Club - Associate Member | |||
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No fucking way that is a real brain shot. | |||
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I have asked the lucky hunter to post on this forum. This way he'll clear all the questions about one of the most sensational accomplishments regarding ele and bowhunting. J B de Runz Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent | |||
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They look more like 36 inches. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Mamba, is it necessary to use profanity? Youngsters, mine included visit this site and there is no need for that.  | |||
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That four letter word is probably the most used by the young generation today - our younger days are long gone - the word "Hell" or "Shit" was frowned upon let alone F..K ! - We would have been hung, drawn and quartered! Don't be so naive or narrow-minded Capt. times have changed. | |||
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Times may have changed, but that doesn't mean it has to be accepted. Is profanity used more today? Certainly. Does it have to be? No, especially when there is a chance that children might be exposed. I am by no means a prude, or even remotely considered "PC," but I agree with CaptMike and feel there was no need to drop the F Bomb in this (or any other) thread. Naivety or narrow-mindedness has nothing to do with CaptMike's concern. It is simply courtesy to the other readers. But I guess common courtesy and common sense aren't so common anymore.... | |||
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+1 Mike | |||
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don't ask me how those postings happened but you get the gist. | |||
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Kiboko, I am far from a prude but I can say my teenagers do not use profanity. By accepting that type of behavior you become part of the problem. | |||
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