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I have an upcoming hunt in N.Z. in late may. As I've heard different tipping views are held in this corner of the world, whats the expected if any practice in regards to tipping after a hutn in NZ. | ||
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Unless the guides have pulled the wool, tipping is not practised in NZ. people are paid fair value for the work expected of them. Occaisionly you might if somone has gone out of their way for you, but its not every year. | |||
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Ask your Outfitter if there is anything you can bring from the US scopes,bullets and brass and much cheaper in US. You could pay for your hunt in cash,so Outfitter has the option not to pay tax on it  "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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The minimum wage in NZ by law is around $15 per hour. So tipping is not a part of the local culture and I do not even bother. If a guide has done an exceptional job & gone beyond his brief to make your trip so enjoyable, then give him a gift worth a few hundred $ .... like a pair of binoculars, range finder, knife, etc. I once gave a guide a Otis portable gun cleaning kit worth $30 and he was thrilled with it as he had never seen one before. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I believe a 'gift' generally pertaining to hunting is all one needs to do rather than the bullshit practice of tipping. A little bit of groundwork prior to any trip will soon enable a response or two along the lines of " geezuz you blokes have cheap scopes/boots,gun gear etc etc" espec in NZ as their prices are rank on much of their hunt gear. But the best tip of all is to not #### up the shot that the hard working guide has worked his ring out to get you! Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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No, its not done here. We don't even truly understand what it is, or why you do it over there. And if you are somewhere where they mention it to you after hearing your accent, then consider it a form of extortion. But that won't happen. | |||
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This is oz & NZ but, a friend that hunts S/A every few yrs suggested I gather up a dozen or so decent skinning knive's to pass out to the skinners as they have a hard time finding decent blades. This might be an idea to consider here too. Most everyone can always use a good blade or two no matter where they are. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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I certainly concur with the other posters here. If there are any guides in NZ who expect tips then they need exporting out of our country. IMO tipping is a scourge on any society and just indicates that that society does not believe in or pays fair wages for service.  I cannot and never will abide this practice. A book, a knife or something from your own country for the guide is just that, a gift in appreciation, not a payment for service. | |||
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Thats a shocker.Here in the states I have always tipped.would I be disrespectful if I offered my guide and cook a tip? | |||
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Firearm not at all,tipping is normal in Outfitter circles in New Zealand and Australia. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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Tipping is not part of the New Zealand culture. If , as TP says it has become part of the guiding culture here it is because the guides see it as a bonus to them that their customers arent aware is not part of our way of live. I certainly dont see it as being beneficial to our culture. Theres a differance between making a gift , and tipping. The gift is fine in my opinion - tipping , on the other hand , is just another of those ugly , foreign ideas that is slowly infiltrating our own culture and should be frowned on. ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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A friend told me the Kiwis liked smoking tobacco, cheap pocket knives, chewing gum, prophylactics, and shiny gewgaws. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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So you guys are telling me,you have never been to a strip club  "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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I am old TP - I cant handle the late nites that strip clubs involve. Much easier to peruse the porn on the net - no tipping required  But please - you go right ahead ...  ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Muzza are you telling me there was no need to enter my credit card number?? "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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you must be looking at differant sites to me , my friend . But what you are obviously doing is paying for a service , as opposed to tipping .... ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Hell yeah! We then show them to freinds, especialy those from europe, and shake our heads lamenting the state of American culture if this is what they treasure as gift's.  | |||
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Never not appreciated a tip. True it may not be part of our culture(which only grows in a petre dish by the way)BUT it is very much part of our clients culture and if I'm asked I always instructed my clients to tip my guides. The outfitter not so much, as we are making our mark up. Guides aren't paid big money for the effort and hours they put in and 10-15% tips on $200 -250 a day are always appreciated, and make sure you give it to your guide in person. Welcome to the global economy. enjoy your hunt and visit to our beautiful country. | |||
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I can assure you that professional guides dont get paid by the hour!!! As far as professional guides and staff go - tipping is just a part of international hunting. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Would it be fair to say Matt that it was started by American hunters and now is just expected? ------------------------------ A mate of mine has just told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said "How can you tell them apart?" He said "Her brother's got a moustache!" | |||
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Having asked the cost of a service or product, that is the amount I would pay.I dont believe that anyone going into a gunshop or a car dealer would add more to the pile of cash on the counter simply because the salesmandid his job. For the same reason tipping is an insideous demeaning of the workers ability to set a fair price for service provided. There are a lot of FORIEGN practices not needed nor welcomed here and tipping is high on my list. This is New Zealand and OUR way of doing business should be as respected by those coming hers as is the way of doing things offshore. Von Gruff. | |||
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Tipping is akin to bribery. I refuse to tip when overseas and let my outfitter/PH know beforehand not to expect anything from me. I believe it creates artificial behaviour from them. If someone relys on tips for a living then they need to get retrained and/or re-educated for better paying employment. Edit: Well said Von Gruff. | |||
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Oh yes absolutely started by American hunters but not always 'expected'!!! The thing is Bakes there is nothing untoward about the professional operators (I mean the PH's and camp staff) factoring in that they may get something in the way of tips through the season. Many of these professional contractors do not just work in one country but often follow the work (and the clients!!) through many countries - North America, New Zealand, Australia and Africa of course. They dont work by the hour and they will (hopefully) bust their guts to bring success for the client - "often above and beyond". Most do not 'expect' everyone to give them tips (Nationality that is), they know that different countries have different customs... but to say that tipping is bad for the Aust & NZ hunting industry is wrong IMO, if you understand how the greater industry works. My guys certainly dont expect Aussies to tip but many of our AU/NZ hunters slip them a hundred bucks for a night at the pub - for a job well done and it is unexpected and appreciated. Code4 - is correct .. in some regards that it is open to abuse - whereby it can become a type of bribery in some cases, especially where tips are discussed, in depth, before a hunt... but that really comes down to the operator and who he employs. There are so many different ways the industry can be corrupted in that regard - tipping can be just one of the ways and I doubt it is prevalent at all, at least not in the South Pacific. The hunting industry is not alone - we see tipping creeping into the hospitality industry in the South Pacific, simply by osmosis and the desire to reward extra good service. You especially see it in the hotel and restaurant industry now and especially in the big cities. Hell I gave an (anglo-Saxon) bell-hop a few bucks the other day in Sydney for humping all my heavy bags up to my room ... I didnt see the problem with it and he certainly didnt have his hand out. On the other hand I didnt give the taxi driver an cent extra, even though he was complaining about the short fare - fuck him he could hardly speak English and wouldnt help me with my shit!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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What a way to start a hunt. Do you tell your trackers/skinners that they should get re-educated for better employment too?? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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NO!!! A huge international safari industry with 70-80 individual operators and several hundred contract employees is not part of the NZ culture or tradition either mate!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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The tipping situation in Africa has become a bit of a problem IMO, the tips are discussed before hand and like others have said I think that in itself causes a problem, putting it in the clients mind he/she will be expected to tip no matter what and regardless of wether the client enjoyed his/her hunt etc. I don`t beleive any guide/PH doesn`t expect some kind of tip/gift,perhaps I`m cynical. From what I gather from friends in Africa, the Americans have seemed to set the precedent for tipping big bucks,and my mate reckons some PHs play to the Amercians and go for the big tip,even seeing who can get most, it`s like a bit of fun between the PHs.Good luck to them. I was given a great tip years ago by a friend of mine, and he is a multi multi millionaire but a more down to earth bloke you couldn`t wish to meet, his tip to me was............... never back slow horses or fast women.  I don`t think the amount you tip gets a better service | |||
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Yeah this is very wrong IMO - if the outfitter or PH/guide brings the topic up. Some clients DO ask about it beforehand though, so they know where they stand. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Some restaurant/bars in New Zealand don't pay their waiters at all,staff work for tips. Which is good for both parties,tax free income for waiters vs working for minimum wage. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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I did not know that or have ever heard of that!!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Whatever you reckon ... it doesnt affect me in the least, I am just telling readers how it IS!! BTW I dont charge a separate higher fee scale for US clients than from anywhere else in the world. That is incorrect - in fact on many hunts at the moment I am getting less from US hunters because of the poor state of the US$. Some years I get more because the hunts are set in different currencies, true... A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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NZ hunting guides normally charge by the day. If they provide food, transport, accommodation etc, then it is a higher rate. NZ hunting is not 5 star like Africa. I know of some guides who charge $400 to $750 a day - and such rates do not command any tips on top IMHO. I have also found that some NZ guides refuse to cater to locals and target only overseas clients. There are others who offer reduced rates for locals. In principle I believe that tipping is not required for NZ hunting. Any restaurant employing staff without wages is breaking the law!! Yes I know that tipping has started in some upper end places but is often a pooled tip for all the staff including the kitchen staff. I hope they bring in a law to make it illegal to tip in NZ. Work hard and earn a fair wage is what I believe in. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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It's it's own subculture that is not really accepted by Kiwi hunters. To be fair there are some good operators who I would happily reccommend to visitors, but on the whole I think the establishment of commercial safari operations has damaged hunting in NZ far more than any good its done. That drive for the dollar, of which tipping is a part, has seen the worst aspects of human behaviour become acceptable. And yes Highlander, I realise that the ordinary kiwi is not clean of this either. | |||
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Well if they are its illegal | |||
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I know It happens in the States, one of my daughters waitressed while there for 12 months as a high school swapper and only got tips without a wage. Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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Come on guys,are trying to tell me you have never tipped a stripper in New Zealand "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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No it is not. It is part of a degrading American culture and should never have been allowed to continue to perpetrate into the rest of the World. I will never tip in NZ or Australia. Name your price for the service you and any other staff are to provide and I will pay if it is fair and I want that service. As others have posted, it is degrading, it is begging, it is a rort. It is a practice most definitely not wanted in NZ and I would slap down anyone who put their hand in my face for a tip. | |||
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There are plenty of 5-star lodges in NZ!! I think you are confusing guides with outfitters too and generalising a bit... they do overlap but they are different! Guides may have other reasons not to take local hunters - like not advertising certain hunting to locals. You really hope they outlaw tipping??? You want laws?? Reckon you guys are getting worked up over nothing... if you dont think you should tip then dont. The OP was about tipping expectations and while it may not be EXPECTED it is certainly the norm in NZ and around the world, when catering to O/S clients. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt, I'm not disputing what you are saying, I have not been involved in or aware of what is happening in my own country for some years now in terms of guided hunts, but this is just highlighting my contention that allowing O/S clients to tip and accepting it from them is just perpetrating this evil practice. It is most disappointing to hear that many find this practice the "norm" in the world of guided hunts or safaris. I do intend returning to Oz for another go at your buffalo and I would be most happy to have you as my hunting guide or "accomplice" if I could call it that way. I will also be more than willing to pay you for all your costs plus a profit for your professional services as a going business concern just as I am paid for mine. I expect you to provide what you say you do and on my part I will ensure that I am suitably equipped and skilled to do my part in the quest to find, stalk and humanely dispatch a buffalo bull. From what I see the costs for such a hunt in Oz have certainly gone up from when I hunted back in the late 70's but of course I to am paid a lot more now also than back in those times. I am quite happy to bring items that you like from NZ that you cannot get in Oz (not that I can think of any off hand) but I just cannot abide by flashing my wallet and paying you or your staff money as a gratuity (or tip). That is not the Kiwi culture and I have never found it to be the Aussie culture either. Surely we can have something unique of our own without bastardising ourselves with a foreign culture. | |||
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