Dave,

Please ask them, I'll take 300 cases.

I am sure Aleko will take 1000 or 2000, but we'll have to ask him.

G'day D99, consider it done. I will get the prices for both orders and you guys can figure out which way you want to go. I will send you a PM when I get the answer.

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

Sounds great, I asked 5 different ammo and brass companys in the states and got told minimum order is 50,000.

D99, spoke to him, can you arrange for a chamber cast to be sent over?

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

I'll get the chamber cast done next week.PM me with your address

Aleko

quote:

Originally posted by Heritage Arms:
I have found a small cache of brass at Triebel, in Germany. I cannot find any loading data. The brass is made by Hornber. I think the .284 might work too. Who can make us some custom dies in Europe? Le Hussard?

Aleko

This is fantastic. ……
So blaser’s own henchman and the blaser trash cult members has not been able to locate reloading dies for this redundant caliber

As a matter of fact, reloading dies, reamers and gauges is available from Triebel in Germany

I am sure Triebel also can manufacture dies to form brass

Reference data that should be considered as max loads !!

Bullet: 350 grain Hornady
Powder: Norma 201
Charge: 64 grains
Primer: Federal 210
Velocity: 650 m/s

Bullet: 405 grain Remington flat nose
Powder: Norma 201
Charge: 58,5 grains
Primer: Federal 210
Velocity: 620 m/s

Bullet: 360 grs Rhino Solid Shank
Powder Norma 201
Charge 63 grains
Primer: ?
Velocity: 610 m/s

Cheers
/JOHAN

I could have forcased rain when this guestion was started. A johan

You know it is funny, guys look at loading for old and obsolete English cartriges as being some great art, which it is. The you try and use all the tools at hand to shoot a new interesting cartrige and people are lined up waiting to assault

Aleko

Aleko's right.

We get beat up by Johan all the time over these guns.

I beat up everyone about the Model 70 and Winchester. I figure it's fair, and as long as no one get's hurt its all in the name of fun!

Got to admit, JOHAN has a point here. If this is the latest and greatest from Blaser, you'd think they could at least make sure there was some damn ammo available, without having to chase it all over the world!
D99, now the bad news, because it is a rebated design, bertrams will need a set of specification drawings to do the cases. The rebate won't show on the chamber cast. Also, and I don't know how important this is, bertram brass is very ductile (soft), If you can locate a source of the factory stuff, it might be the way to go.

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

PM me your email and I will send you cartridge case drawings.

I would note that the .45 Blaser was marketed as a European Driven cartridge. Ammunition is avalible in Europe, where driven hunting takes place. In the US I have the only 2 Blaser barrels in the US, so ammunition for 2 barrels is going to be a little tough. It will triclke into the states and elase where, I have no doubt. Look at the 9,3x62 it survived in the staes as almost a cult underground following till the late,late 90's

Aleko

Yes indeed, however the principle difference between them is that the 9.3x62 (one of my favourite cartridges) can be made from 30/06 brass, if necessary. Now, in theory, brass for the .45 blaser can be made from 284 Win brass, assuming you can find it. I would think the loss due to neck splitting during forming would be high, due to the large number (7mm to 11.5mm) of resizing steps required. Remember, it is necessary to go further than 11.5 when sizing up, in order to have sufficient shoulder to adequately headspace the new case. In my admittedly limited experience, 20 thou is the minimum shoulder required for fireforming a new case, to guard against the firing pin strike driving the case further into the chamber, upsetting the headspace, and causing weaknesses and/or splitting at the web where the case sidewalls meet the case head.
If anyone knows any different then feel free to help out.

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

Blaser should have used a ultra mag case and shortened it to get the same effect. Too bad the 450 marlin is so short.

I just cannot believe that Blaser will not market the 45 Blaser in the USA. I have spoken, in person, to the SIG USA people, the SIG local REP and to Blaser Germany people here in the USA for a visit. You would think it would be a natural for the USA as if anywhere is 45 caliber country it is here.
Also them #@%$##&*&^(**&^%$ Blaser people will not make me a 458 Win bbl either.
The problem is feeding. With X bullets the 458 will feed 100%. With all others there are some problems.
That is why the 45 Blaser was designed the way it was.

I emailed Bertram he is getting back to me, how many rounds of brass do you guys want? I am getting 200.

N E 450 No2, believe it, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, if it isn't 270, 30-06, 223 or 7mm Mag, why would they care? I still don't think there is a real market for the .45 Blaser, but would be happy to be proved wrong.
anyway, brass problem solved. Just remember that since 75% of the costs are in setting up, the more you guys buy each time, the less it will cost. Also, Bruce doesn't want to set up for this every 4 weeks, so maybe try and figure out a years worth between you.
Or, do as I do. Whenever I have a hard to find chambering, I get 500 cases for it, which is usually a lifetimes supply, depending on usage.

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

Dave, good point. I am still believe that Blaser does need to make a .45 calibre magnum barrel too. .458 Win mag would be a great choice, but if feeding is a problem with case length then, make a new magazine to solve the problem. I have a .416 Safari and it is a wonderful shooter, I would just like to see a .458

Aleko

quote:

Originally posted by Heritage Arms:
I think the .45 Blaser is one of the best ideas going! I wish they would imort them into the states, wha a perfect round for Black Bear, and Hogs

Aleko

That's why we have the 458 SOCOM. It's about the same thing as a midlevel 45-70 but easy to put in an AR15 platform or bolt gun. I guess that doesn't do much for you if you want it in a Blaser barrel, though.

D99 PM me with your order.

I have my .45 Blaser barrel set up on my safari reciever with the kickstop, the short barrel is very nice. I am looking forward to shooting it

Aleko

I got a blaser R93 in 300 Wby Mag, and its a great gun, I guess all Id have to say is, fuck the naysayers, I like having the ablity to go from a 300 to a 223 for yotes on the same trip without luging around 2 or 3 guns, its a nice feature, to each his own, for me, its a blaser.

the 45 blaser...well, id rather have a 375.

Cold where do you buy your Blasers in the DFW area?

Sambar 9.3- I think blaser provides very poor support to their representatives. Reloading dies were available right after 45 blaser was introduced, approx 3 years ago.

It would been much better if blaser made barrels in 10,75X68. Perfect round for driven hunts, instead they develop this 425 W&R copy

Cheers
/JOHAN

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Cold where do you buy your Blasers in the DFW area?

N E 450 No.2

well...since you asked, I was at the SHOT SHOW 2004 with another group which sells some very interesting things to federal and local Law Enf, while there I spoke with a gentleman in the sig booth named Frank Zengerle...head of Blaser International Sales, he knew our fathers, whom own several blasers both 93s and K95's, saw our the name tag and said "you arnt Doctor so and so's son are you....?" well from there I spoke with him and he told me I needed to try hunting with one, I have always been told I needed to carry one, but I always preferred Weatherby guns. Long story short, I got one over the summer, have used it and LOVE IT. Now in Dallas, Rays sporting goods off 35 and D-rays sporting goods off Forest have a huge line of blasers to choose from, also, McCellens guns in Garland, tx just started to carry them, I ordered mine with my shooting partner through Blaser (and sig arms...who F'ed the order up ROYALLY...dont get me started) durring the summer so I didnt hit any kind of fall push. if you want to talk more blaser, email me directly, between myself, my shooting partner and our fathers...we have over 14 blasers in various grades and something like 36-40 barrels, were well veresed in just how excellent the design is, and how out of box IMPRESSIVE the trigger and accuracy is. While in sweden I saw several special blaser mounts not even offered here in the states, like the doctor optic mount for the R94, that is mounted on my 416 rem, quite a nice lil compact red dot for the gun, much better then the blaser hit point i might add

Cold,

We brought in the first rail mounts two years ago, they were a hit. I own 9 Blasers and 20 barrels. My first Blaser set the stage, a being so impressed I have used little else in a bolt gun since 1995. I agree with the innovative mounts for the R93, I am planning on getting some of the Aimpoint mounts soon. Have you seen the Hit Point? It is a marvelous little scope that I use, even on my dreaded .45 Blaser !

Aleko

JOHAN, I would agree in some respects about blasers support of their dealers. After all, it only took 5 years for them to deliver my 95BBF. Just a standard 95BBF in 7x57R/12g with the shotgum BBl set up with a modified choke. Mind you, mine is probably the only one in OZ, perhaps there were difficulties, with importation.
As for the cartridges, I still thinke the .45 Blaser is closer to the 11.2x60 Schuler, than the 425 WR mag.
With the 10.75x68, since I can only go off the paper ballistics, never having fired one, it would seem that it is inferior to the 375H&H, something they already chamber for. Then again, the same can be said for the .45 Blaser.
I suppose every manufacturer wants at least one proprietary cartridge?

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

cold
Thanks for the reply. The owner of Rays is a friend of mine, he is the one that talked me into trying the Blaser R 93.
If you do not have a 28 guage bbl I can recommend it. I have taken quail rabbit, squirrel, ducks, grouse and a turkey.

Why im good friends with reed durban, is he the gent you know, or Reeds father?

Anyways as for the hit point, Im an Eotech man myself, then again the Federal Govt pays for all the fun stuff I get to use, so Im not too picky, Im suprised being a blaser product, that the hit point is not more promoted here stateside.

Sambar,

Blaser has two proprietary cartridges 30R Blaser and the 45.

Rays guns in Dallas is way overpriced on Blaser products.

The asshole on http://www.gunbroker.com that has most of the Blasers is pretty high too.

I think the right way to go about it is to buy 3 to-5 barrels at once and pimp the guy for a discount.

What really pisses me off is that the new Blaser shotgun in Euorpe is E3190 for standard and E3750 for Lux, and E6260 for Super Lux. I have only seen one advertised on an American dealer website and he wanted $5500 for a Standard.

New R93 barrels are somewhere between $650-800 for standard contour barrels, and $800-1200 for attache, match, or safari. I haven't seen an octagonal barrel priced yet, so I don't know what they cost.

Somthing happened with these prices, because safari barrels used to be the same price.

Like I said above if you buy 3 at a time you can probably guy them for $1800-2000.


In Spain you can only get magnum calibers with magna-porting.

You know when I started this question, I did'nt think it would last this long. Keep it up It enjoy reading the stories. I learn from this too. I love my BLASER I hunt with nothing else.
I own other guns and like them but it's a blaser for me.I saw the gun broker guy and he will give you a nose bleed if you let him.I remember when I bought my first barrel at $499
now ther up from there,my next will be a .223.

I cant decide, should my next be a 22-250 match barrel or a 270?


Anyone have a blaser in any WSM ? Any thoughts on the 300WSM in there?

There are a bunch of calibers that I want. But I am not buying a thing until January.

For the K-95 I want a 9.3x74, 222 and a 10.3x60R. And another rifle in Attache form.

For the R93 I want a 9.3x64, 9.3x62, 8x57 or 8x64, and a 8x68, 6.5x68, 222, 375, and 243 and 300 both in match. And a Attache stock and a super lux stock and another professional but this time in camo.

Not till next year, I have way to much to get set up in Italy.

I have a K95 in 243 and 30-06
A S-2 in 9.3x74R (at least until I get home)
R93 Standard (early import)
R93 Professional
With 338, and 30-06 barrels in the R93 platform.

HOW ABOUT A BLASER FORUM?

yes a blaser forum would be awsome

cold
I know them both, I have been doing business a at Rays since @1967.
I have shot a friends 300 WSM R 93. It shot very good with different factory loads.
The only thing I do not like with the WSM's is reduced mag capacity.

blaser93
I have a standard contour bbl for my 93. It shoots great. I killed several prairie dogs with it in WY. Some of them at fairly long range. My barrel even shoots the cheap ball ammo from Winchester very good all the way to 300 yards.
Black Hills 68 gr Moly really shoots good.

NE 450 no2

do you belong to Dallas gun club?

where do you shoot in and around the Dallas area?

cold
No, I have some friends who do and I shoot rifles with them there sometimes.
I do most of my shooting on my "company" range, or I go to Gibsons Outpost in Mesquite.

ah ok, Have never been to gibsons in mesquite. have you ever been to the 300 yard plus range up north of dallas about an hour, the guys at rays have told me about it, but I haven never been, have you been there? if so, thoughts? its near the Ok boarder correct?