I spoke to the rep. Looks like we can get the barrels they are looking into the ammunition situation. I have 2 on order with sights and semi weight prestige fore ends

Aleko

There is a very professional hunting forum in Germany. a lot of technical informations, very detailes. An there is a comment for the 45 Blaser.

http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/Drueckjagdpatrone.htm

For Lutz Möller the 45 Blaser is a type of junk.

Burkhard

Aleko

I talked to Starline Brass and they want a 50,000 piece order and $.25 each.

I was nice when I hung up the phone, but wasn't thinking nice thoughts.

Our custom 45 Blaser brass isn't going to be American made, I can bet on that.

quote:

Originally posted by D99:

I talked to Starline Brass and they want a 50,000 piece order and $.25 each.

That's only US$12,500. Are you serious about this project or not?

We will know on the barrels on the 5th of May

Aleko

Give me a break!

You front the $12,500! I am 100% behind you, as long as your paying of course!

Whenever I own an oddball caliber, such as 470 capstick, 500 Nitro, 585 Nyati, I like to own 500 rounds of brass for it because that is a lifetime supply and then I never have to worry about brass again.

But 50,000 rounds is quite another matter. Even in a prarie dog caliber, I would have to be extremely dedicated to use up that much brass. The only way I can think of to do it is competitive shooting. Do they allow the .45 Blaser at Camp Perry?

50,000 rounds of 308, 223, or 22-250. Yeah I might shoot that in a lifetime.

50,000 rounds of 45 Blaser, I don't think that everyone of us who bought a Blaser barrel in America would shoot that in 10 lifetimes.

If I bring over 3 or 4 barrels and Aleko can get a few directly from Blaser that's alot of ammo, per guy.

Blaser confirmed the order! 6 months delivery time !

Aleko

I was told six months too. But what about the modification of the reciever this is a semi weight barrel.this is what sigarms told me.
they want 1200 dollars for the barrel.

Semi Weight barrel with sights is 1200.00
Semi Weight Prestige fore end is $325.00

Aleko

$1525, damn! In Spain E2000 for a R93 off road with a 45 blaser barrel here. Not any better of a deal.

A guy could have a hell of a nice 1895 Marlin 450 Marlin or 45-70 with a trigger job, better extractor, fiberglass stock and custom sights.

You know we are all going to buy them since we are slaves to the brand.

May have a suprise on the ammo in the month or so


Aleko

quote:

Originally posted by Heritage Arms:
May have a suprise on the ammo in the month or so

Are you going to surprise everyone by saying, "Here's your barrel, but there will not be any ammo for it"?

Did anyone check if Marc Jamison in Sturgis, SD will make brass for it? He is making .505 Gibbs brass, and I doubt that 50,000 rounds of .505 Gibbs brass will be manufactured between the dawn of time and the day that our sun burns out.

That was pretty funny!!! No the ammo problem may be solved

Aleko

NO 45 BLASER BARRELS IN SPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf?

Can't believe it Escopesa the Spanish Blaser rep isn't importing them, but I am going to talk to them one more time to double check!

The price for semi-weight is 900E so a barrel is the same as what Aleko is getting. No savings on Blasers in Europe!

Funny, they can get the ammo since they are already a Blaser ammo importer, but I can't ship it to Aleko because the USPS, UPS, and Fed EX won't ship ammo overseas. I also have to have the barrel that they wont' import to buy the ammo.

I asked my gunsmith to telephone with the Blaser company in Isny.
They told him, the next barrels in 45 Blaser are available in July.
The ammo is no problem.

Burkhard

We should have the ammo problem solved in a few months in the US

Aleko

Since the background and concept of the .45 Blaser has been well exploited in the previous posts, let me just add my personal experience. I did have the opportunity to try it last november when hunting driven boar in southern hungary (for insiders - Kaposvar region).

During those 3 days i did shoot 4 boars, weigthing from about 80 - 220 pounds with it. The killing power was not better than lets say with a 9,3x62 or 9,3x74R which are the most popular calbers in Europe for that hunting type applications. Meat destruction was significantly
worse than with the others mentioned. This might be related to the relativley soft 350 grs bullet Romey used for loading.
I also noted, that i need a bit more lead for shooting, a result of the low muzzle velocity.

So for a summary:
Am i impressed with the .45 Blaser field performance? No.
Would i buy one for my self? Propably not.
I do not really see any advantage for it when you compare it to the established standards (9,3x62, 9,3x74R). But i also see a lot of disadvantages (cost and availability of ammo if you do not reload, co of brass if you do reload, meat destruction etc.). If you are a gun/ caliber collector - you mave get one. But for hunting applications....

I think Blaser just overdid their usual marketing thing in this case. In my opinion, the .45 Blaser is not really needed. If you want to go driven boar hunting with a .45 caliber, you may better served with a handloaded, reduced .458 Win Mag in a bolt action or even a 45/70 or .450 Marlin in a lever action.

Roman

Aleko,
Talk to the Blaser Rep about 458 win Mag bbls.

EuroHunter
Your post raises some interesting observations.
I have killed several deer and pigs with my 9,3x74R and my 450 No2 using 350gr Hornadays at @2330fps.
You are correct in that both have knocked deer and pigs down on the spot almost 100% of the time.
If I think about it I could not say which is the better/quicker killer.
While I am a big fan of a 350gr. .458 diameter bullet, having used them in the 45/70, the 458 Win Mag, and my 450 No2, I must admit that 286 grain bullets in my 9,3x74R have hit all game I have shot like the Hammer of Thor.

This may all prove that with an adequate cartridge you can only kill game so dead.
So It may be 6 to one, a half a dozen to the other.
I can say that both concepts work very well.

As I "think" about it, once again I have to say that for ALL game under Buff, under 200 yards the 9,3x74R Double Rifle, WITH scope, is the BEST HUNTING rifle on the Planet.

I am picking up a 45 Blaser barrel tonight. Looks like we got a suprise here in Spain as well.

Escopesa ordered a bunch of them for one of the dealers in Madrid, and still had a few left over.

Going to cut into my Namibia money.

E845!

Ok,

No barrel! I got to hold it in my hands and caress it. I got to day dream about putting in on one of my R93s but the Spanish beuracracy isn't going to let me buy a barrel without a rifle.

Thinking about what to do.

I got to touch the barrel again, but still don't own it. Euro gun bueuracracy is kiling the deal.

Looks like I will have to wait until I get home.

Aleko,

Are we going to have 45 Blaser ammo for the great fallow and mouflon hunt in October?

I will have the barrel when I get back from Africa, the Spanish say they have a loophole.

Don't know. Looks like it but no guarantees

Aleko

I am leaving for California on the 4th (tenativly), should be in Wyoming on the 12th maybe we could do it the 15th. If not I am leaving on the 18th and we could do it the 28th or 29th of October.

I won't know until a few days before, because they have to adjust for everyone else in Iraq homecoming.

45 Blaser ammo!

I think we can make this stuff with 284 WCF brass. Would someone that lives in the states call a die maker and ask about the possiblity of making dies for it.

PM me with your email and I will email you the case drawings.

I have 2 .45 Blaser barrels in stock with sights and forearms!

Aleko

Let me get settled in Italy, if you still have them I might take one of your hands.

What happened with the Idaho wildboar, mouflon, and Fallow deer?

Namibia was good, check out my photos in the African section.

G'day, Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the .45 blaser, and the 11.2 Schuler?
It seems that this is just another case of 'build it and they will come'.
Without having fired it, it seems, on paper, as though it won't do anything my 9.3x62 won't do better, and with less fuss over ammo, BBLs, etc.
Has anyone who has actually fired it, anything different to offer?
If I needed a cartridge for large, non-dangerous game, it would be a 9.3x62. More energy required? 9.3x64 or 375H&H. Bigger projectile? 416Rem or bigger.
If I wanted a slow moving 45 cal projectile, there are lots of 45/70s around, for a lot less money than a new Blaser BBL.
As Jeff Cooper says, you can get into a lot of trouble just by asking "what's it for?"

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum.

I agree with the similarities. I agree with the .375 as being a better round, in fact my .375 tracker is so handy I use it alot. But the .45 Blaser has its place


Aleko

G'day, I agree about the tracker, can't say about the 375, but my 9.3x62 tracker is a very handy, easy to use rifle.
As for the 45blaser, I guess there will be a market for it. The local distributor has a BBL on order, for the shop. No sign of any ammo yet. If it does come in I am going to try and get one round for my collection, as I don't think it will particularly widespread here.

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

Aleko,

What do you think about that 284 WCF idea, I posted above would it work?

I have found a small cache of brass at Triebel, in Germany. I cannot find any loading data. The brass is made by Hornber. I think the .284 might work too. Who can make us some custom dies in Europe? Le Hussard?

Aleko

If we could get one of the Germans on the site to buy us a box of ammo, we could shoot it and send it to Hornady or RCBS and get the dies made.

There are cartridge drawings on the internet somewhere, I think I did a google search and found them.

G'day, D99, you could always try a chamber cast. send that off, I think RCBS still accept them for one-off chamberings, they might do it for a .45Blaser?

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum

the real problem is the ammo and brass. We don't know of a way to make it or get it, as no want imports Blaser ammo.

You could always try Bertrams, they make all kinds of odd stuff. They are only up the road from me, would you like me to ask them?

Cheers, Dave.
Non Illegitium Carborundum.