scientists have pushed back the history of human tools by almost 1m years, with the discovery in Ethiopia of animal bones that were butchered 3.4m years ago with sharp stones.

more:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5899...b7-00144feabdc0.html

people were covered with hair back then.



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I find it interesting that someone who cannot tell you either of his great-great-grandmothers maiden names can postulate with such accuracy what went on 3.4 million years ago...

Rich
DRSS

Don't hold back.

Educate me...

13-14 Bazillion years ago there was a void. Then all of a sudden something happened to nothing and it became something. And then something did something and created water and some rock fell in the water and people came out of that.

Sounds doable to me...

Rich
DRSS

Oversimplifying again Rich ...??

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Educate me...

13-14 Bazillion years ago there was a void. Then all of a sudden something happened to nothing and it became something. And then something did something and created water and some rock fell in the water and people came out of that.

Sounds doable to me...

Rich
DRSS

I like it.

Seems things drag along, kind of chugging through changes, then there are periodic bursts of activity/improvements(?), etc.

I think we are one of those bursts; no guarantees

-more tools:





-occasionally, tax dollars are spent wisely:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/stoneage/fenn.html

George Carlin on human permanency:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Miv4NHsDo

Early cavemen in Europe ate human meat as part of their everyday diet, new research suggests. A new study of fossil bones in Spain shows that cannibalism was a normal part of daily life around 800,000 years ago among Europe’s first humans.

Bones from the cave, called Gran Dolina, show signs of cuts and other marks which will have been made by early stone tools. Among the bones of bison, deer, wild sheep and other animals, scientists discovered the butchered remains of at least 11 human children and adolescents.



Read article here- CAUTION contains nude representation of a female humanoid c.800,000 years BCE:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...n-everyday-diet.html







Ice Age paintings and carvings in Europe are revered as sublime achievements of early humans, yet the prehistoric rock art in the American West is far less known. At Legend Rock in central Wyoming, 10,000 years of profound beliefs are inscribed on red sandstone cliffs.

As the Pleistocene period ended approximately 12,000 years ago with the passing of the last Ice Age, people were spreading from Asia to North America and south into what is now the U.S. Archaeologists have found evidence that the early immigrants took advantage of the moderating climate to cross the high passes of the Tetons and Absaroka mountains to settle among their foothills and what are now the broad, arid plains encircled by these peaks on the west and north and by the Bighorn and Owl Creek ranges to the east and south. Near the center of this basin stretching across more than 60 miles stands Legend Rock.

Rising 200 feet above the Cottonwood creek that runs near its base, Legend Rock is a cliff face over 800 yards long. It is carved with nearly 300 images scattered along its length. They are petroglyphs that archaeologists now believe range in date from about 11,000 years ago to perhaps the mid-19th century. The oldest documented images at the site are carvings of an antelope, a human figure and a life-size adult hand. The antelope and full figure are primarily rendered as outlines chipped, stroke by stroke, into the rock with a harder stone. The picture of a human hand with fingers splayed was more laboriously rendered by pecking away the entire rock surface within the boundaries of the fingers and palm. It looks as if a clay-covered hand has just been pressed to the rock.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...ifeStyle_Lifestyle_5



Modern humans could have reached East Asia much earlier than believed, according to new evidence.

An international team analysed fossil teeth and part of a jaw unearthed in southern China in 2007.

In the journal PNAS, the scientists say the fragments belonged to a "modern" human who lived 100,000 years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie...environment-11618814

Peerless Pterosaur Could Fly Long-Distance For Days


"The natural world's long-distance flight champions are seagoing birds that fly up to 6,000 miles nonstop. But now, two scientists are proposing to give the honor to the pterosaur, a massive creature from the distant past.

Above the dinosaur exhibit at Pittsburgh's Carnegie Museum of Natural History, a giant pterosaur skeleton hangs from the ceiling. This is a Quetzalcoatlus, thought to be the largest flying animal that ever lived. It has a massive skull with a beak-like mouth, and its wingspan takes up almost the entire ceiling.

"It would have been a very bizarre animal to see fly above you or walk around on the ground," says Mike Habib, a specialist in biomechanics from Chatham University. 'It would look like a strange amalgamation of a classic modern reptile, bird, giraffe and bat all squeezed into one.'"

http://www.npr.org/2010/11/16/...ng-distance-for-days

A working Lego replica of the famous Antikythera Mechanism-



http://www.fastcodesign.com/16...computer-using-legos

JERUSALEM –
Israeli archaeologists said Monday they may have found the earliest evidence yet for the existence of modern man, and if so, it could upset theories of the origin of humans.




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201...israel_ancient_teeth

While some rock art fades in hundreds of years, the "Bradshaw art" remains colourful after at least 40,000 years.

Jack Pettigrew of the University of Queensland in Australia has shown that the paintings have been colonised by colourful bacteria and fungi.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie...environment-12039203


Cretan tools point to 130,000-year-old sea travel



ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Archaeologists on the island of Crete have discovered what may be evidence of one of the world's first sea voyages by human ancestors, the Greek Culture Ministry said Monday

A ministry statement said experts from Greece and the U.S. have found rough axes and other tools thought to be between 130,000 and 700,000 years old close to shelters on the island's south coast.

Crete has been separated from the mainland for about five million years, so whoever made the tools must have traveled there by sea (a distance of at least 40 miles). That would upset the current view that human ancestors migrated to Europe from Africa by land alone.




http://www.google.com/hostedne...423b9d40ebed70df009d

Perhaps a Red, 4,100 B.C.



Scientists have discovered the world's oldest known winery, secreted amid dozens of prehistoric graves in a cavern in Armenia, an international research team said Tuesday.

Outside a mountain village still known for its wine-making skill, archaeologists unearthed a large vat set in a platform for treading grapes, along with the well-preserved remains of crushed grapes, seeds and vine leaves, dating to about 6,100 years ago—a thousand years older than other comparable finds.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...04576074170191043908

That's the problem with the scientific community.

They proclaim that once upon a time there was nothing. Then, there was something. They KNOW this is true, but have no evidence or explaination.

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I find it interesting that someone who cannot tell you either of his great-great-grandmothers maiden names can postulate with such accuracy what went on 3.4 million years ago...

Rich
DRSS

16 maiden names of great great grandmothers, not 2

However, family records 160 years, assuming 35years per gen, has zippo to do with radio carbon dating, whose margin of error is less than 10,000 years

If you can't define the length of god's day, you can't discount evolution

Rich, your creation myth sounds straight out of genisis. Now, go read BOTH creation myths in genisis.

I believe you mean Genesis.

'Good book I'm in the middle of regarding industry, tools, etc. - The Rational Optimist, by Matt Ridley. Beginning has a little too much biological evolution, "ape this, ape that, what chimpanzees do or don't do" crap for me, but it does shed some interesting light on trade, markets, the industrial revolution, etc.

Sure, if you like

If someone can explain to me the logical problem of "the uncaused first cause" I will listen.

I do not believe that everything in the universe came from nothing. Yet, if it did come from something, then where did that "something" come from?

I do believe the creation narrative written in Genesis.

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Riverduck
WHICH ONE?
seriously, there are creations, back to back, in genesis.

Genesis 1, he creates the beasts and then man and woman (at the same time)

Genesis 2, creates man, alone, then the animals, then woman

this isn't me picking, this is a deep religous discussion issue, as both these exists in the Hebrew/torah texts.

Quantam Theeory has proven, particles do appear spontaneously in a vacuum.

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I do not believe that everything in the universe came from nothing. Yet, if it did come from something, then where did that "something" come from?

Riverduck, look up M Theory. Now I'm not saying it's right, but it does provide an explination of where that "something" may of came from. To you it might not make much sence, but to some it makes as least as much sence as the grass being created before the sun, since grass can't live without sunlight.

Then it ain't Quantum Theory. If it is replicable in a laboratory it is a fact. A theory is just and only an idea or proposed explanation for something that there is NOT an answer for yet. A theory is just a fanciful way to say "This is what I/We think". This week.

Theory:
1. A proposed explanation or hypothesis designed to account for any phenomenon. Hence, loosely, mere speculation or hypothesis; an individual idea or guess.

That's Webster.

The theory of evolution is the best current scientific guess on how things went. The total lack of any segue-way species is what concerns me. Every animal found is a new species. The only real way is DNA, and we don't have any yet.

Stephen Hawking does not believe in Evolution, he believes in God and the Bible. The best minds in the business tried debating him about ten to twelve years ago. He demolished all their carefully crafted theories in less than fifteen minutes in open debate. After about four or five of these go-rounds they stopped accepting his challenges on the subject. He's a lot smarter than I am, and what he said made sense.

Rich

And how long did it take Hawkings to admit he was wrong about the Information Paradox? Was it 25 or 30 years?

As a man enters the twilight of his life, it can be expected that he would cling to something, and for Stephen, the twilight is near.

quote:

Originally posted by gas57:
Quantam Theeory has proven, particles do appear spontaneously in a vacuum.

Especially if the vacuum is set on high. I much prefer hardwood floors and the swiffer.

Must be a big vacuum to make all the mass in existence.

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Researchers in South Africa have revealed the earliest direct evidence of human-made arrows. The scientists unearthed 64,000 year-old "stone points", which they say were probably arrow heads. Closer inspection of the ancient weapons revealed remnants of blood and bone that provided clues about how they were used. The team reports its findings in the journal Antiquity. The arrow heads were excavated from layers of ancient sediment in Sibudu Cave in South Africa. During the excavation, led by Professor Lyn Wadley from the University of the Witwatersrand, the team dug through layers deposited up to 100,000 years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie...environment-11086110





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibudu_Cave



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Originally posted by boom stick:

quote:

Originally posted by gas57:
Quantam Theeory has proven, particles do appear spontaneously in a vacuum.

Especially if the vacuum is set on high. I much prefer hardwood floors and the swiffer.

Must be a big vacuum to make all the mass in existence.

I know several humans who are complete & utter "tools".
Push THEM back a million years & they'd be amoebae - so no great change there.

Great avatar.

It really is. One for each hand, and one to stick in your mouth! Does she, by some chance, have a sister?

Rich

I think that's Eccentrica Gallumbits the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon Six.

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Originally posted by Swamp_Fox:
I think that's Eccentrica Gallumbits the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon Six.

Indeed & a fine figure of a woman too.

So much for the Hawking Defence.
Hawkings picks Physics over God for the Big Bang.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech...hysics-god-big-bang/

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I find it interesting that someone who cannot tell you either of his great-great-grandmothers maiden names can postulate with such accuracy what went on 3.4 million years ago...

Rich
DRSS

You're not grasping the distinction in inquiry.

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The only real way is DNA, and we don't have any yet.

Stephen Hawking does not believe in Evolution, he believes in God and the Bible.

Yeah, we DO have DNA. And Hawking came out just this morning, saying that there's no god required to put together the Big Bang.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
That's the problem with the scientific community.

They proclaim that once upon a time there was nothing. Then, there was something. They KNOW this is true, but have no evidence or explaination.

Rich

You're about three decades behind on your reading in AstroPhysics!

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Stephen Hawking does not believe in Evolution, he believes in God and the Bible. ... He's a lot smarter than I am, and what he said made sense.

Rich

you are right, read this
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/...se/index.html?hpt=C2

steve and i don't often disagree .. and he changes his mind a tad more often than i do

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He's a lot smarter than I am, and what he said made sense.

I'm betting you didn't understand . . .

Scientists, Meterologists whatever can't tell me what the weather will be in a day or week consistently. How in the world do they plan to tell me what happened millions of years ago? yeah right

I am still waiting on Piltdown Man to make a comeback.

There's good news and bad news about Evolution VS God. The good news is you get to find out which one is true the second you die. The bad news is that you don't get a "do-over" if you picked the wrong answer.


Rich

some of the ladies I have seen are proof enough for me that God exists.
Who am I to tell God how to run creation-maybe he got a chemistry set for Christmas, however between ladies, good guns, woodsmoke and 18 yr old single malt I beleive he did a fine job.

It is interesting that a person can review the substantial evidence that supports evolution and claim it is false yet read something written in a book that has no supporting evidence beyond "because I said so" and accept it as unfalable truth. I guess the main problem is that your garden variety human is completely incapable of understanding anything that is beyond arm's reach. Sadly, they don't understand much of what is within arm's reach either.

Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong. Very few people have the knowledge required to comment intelligently on complex scientific topics. If it something dues not fit their preconceived notion of how the world works they dismiss it as false. I have actually seen messageboard posters argue that Einstein's theory of relativity is completley false. Why? Because they lack the knowledge required to understand the concept.

One of the great things about science it that actually encourages challenging our current understanding of our world and universe. Belief systems on the other hand not only discourage this but many times will persecute those that choose to make the challenge. If science finds an explanation that explains the evidence better than evolution then it will be adopted.

THe problem with scientists is that they don't understand that God was the original scientist. Of a much more advanced science than they will ever understand.

I just wonder how the ones who base their belief in god on the "he exists because he created something (us, the world, whatever) out of nothing because otherwise what would have done it" theory explain what created god?

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One of the great things about science it that actually encourages challenging our current understanding of our world and universe.

I think most of the world has seen just how this encouragement works over the past 18 months…that would be the “human caused global warming” debacle. It appears that a few greedy individuals colluded with a few individuals in scientific authority positions to ram this down the world’s throats. It also appears that these few individuals did everything possible to stifle the efforts of every scientist who disagreed with them. And it also appears that this was done solely for money and power. Yep…one just has to love amount of encouragement for discourse going on during this debacle.

GOD’s Creation vis-à-vis the ”Theory of Evolution”…from a factual standpoint. I do not believe that science has proven or even proposed an intelligent hypothesis for the testing of how nothing will become something without first introducing something into the mix. The fact that many galaxies exist is evidence that that something had to exist from which all of these galaxies came into existence. Therefore from a factual standpoint it an accurate statement to say that nothing plus nothing will remain nothing while nothing plus something will be something.

The “Theory of Evolution”, still a theory with no factual evidence to prove it to be fact after 100+ years of great scientific effort to prove it to be so.

Belief in GOD and Jesus Christ as one’s savior vis-à-vis believe in the Theory of Evolution…from a belief standpoint. Let me see…from a belief standpoint just how much belief is required for each. The first teaches that GOD created everything and that we humans on earth were created in GOD’s image, that GOD desires to fellowship with us, and that if we truly accept his son’ Jesus Christ as our savior and try to live as he taught us to live that we can live life after death forever with him. The second espouses that all happened by happenstance, that everything happened from nothing, that once something eventually it happened that eventually monkeys happened, and that eventually monkeys became humans, and that this is the best that it gets because there is nothing after death. From my prospective it requires far greater faith to believe in the Theory of Evolution than it does to believe in GOD’s creation…it was and is an easy choice to make.

I think my grandson at age six summed this up very well while he and his father were watching a history channel show on the evolution of mankind one day…I’ll have to paraphrase somewhat as it was a few years ago and I was informed second hand to begin with but it was something like this…”Dad that’s just stupid.” “What’s stupid”, says the dad? “Evolution”, says the grandson, “Think about it, if man evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Shouldn’t all monkeys be gone? Or are the ones still here too stupid to evolve?” Later on the same grandson somewhat embarrassed his mother with a statement at a shopping mall, “Mom (unfortunately within earshot of the individual) that man’s looks just like the “Neanderthal” pictures we were looking at in school yesterday. My teacher said they all died thousands of years ago?”

Yep “Theory of Evolution” still awaiting factual evidence to prove it.

So for those individuals that believe the “Theory of Evolution”, I admire the amount of belief required on your part to believe that nothing became something without something being first introduced into the mix. Your level of belief is far greater than the amount of belief required on my part to being in GOD’s creation.

Absolute proof for which is correct, GOD’s Creation vis-à-vis “Theory of Evolution” will happen upon our death. If GOD’s Creation is correct then I’ll be living in Heaven forever while the non-believer will get to enjoy the GOD’s judgment and a second very painful death for their non-belief. If the “Theory of Evolution” is correct and GOD’s Creation is wrong then I will only die once. It’s a 50-50 choice…all one has to do is to die to find out which is correct.

Is god a something or a nothing? If something, how did god come from nothing? Evolution, perhaps?